[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;18579050]Not all of Germany really wanted the holocaust to happen... In the end.. it cost them the war. Too many resources pushed that way.[/QUOTE]
Germany got behind the banner of "jews are inferior". And that's why the war was started, the conquest of the world and the purging of lesser races. And that's hardly "do unto others".
Or maybe I'm just reading the wrong Hammurabi code.
[QUOTE=power-mad;18579029]Atheism being a religion is a contradiction of the word, please stop nit picking vocabulary and stay on track the debate, like you keep asking us to. The original debate was about morals, not what atheism is.[/QUOTE]
And my original point was, what gives any of you morals. If you are not guided by a religion or abstract branch of of one than what gives you the right to declare what is right and wrong? Pain is a reaction, it has no emotion or thought, to cause it is thus not truly evil.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18579037]Uh, how? That was a complete reversal of do unto others. Instead of taking responsibility for their own mistakes and treating those different to them as human beings, the germans decided to systematically eliminate the Jewish race. And something tells me they wouldn't be very fucking happy with being systematically eliminated.
What you just said is an example of "do whatever it takes, kill all who oppose".[/QUOTE]
Tell me, do you believe "Kill all who oppose"? Do onto others isn't always right, and the wrong mind can forget the little things like the values of life, but it's in effect.
I'm just brining up a universal rule that stops us from stabbing our neighbors and everyone we see. War time thinking and running a nation makes far more complicated decisions than what do we kill.
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18579063]And my original point was, what gives any of you morals. If you are not guided by a religion or abstract branch of of one than what gives you the right to declare what is right and wrong? Pain is a reaction, it has no emotion or thought, to cause it is thus not truly evil.[/QUOTE]
If your behavior is based on being punished or rewarded, you don't really have morals to at all.
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18579063]And my original point was, what gives any of you morals. If you are not guided by a religion or abstract branch of of one than what gives you the right to declare what is right and wrong? Pain is a reaction, it has no emotion or thought, to cause it is thus not truly evil.[/QUOTE]
Everyone has emotion, atheists and doctors will even agree to that. Whether they're caused by a soul or not does not matter. Pain is a very bad emotion we do not want to feel. That guides our morals. Is that enough?
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;18579063]And my original point was, what gives any of you morals. If you are not guided by a religion or abstract branch of of one than what gives you the right to declare what is right and wrong? Pain is a reaction, it has no emotion or thought, to cause it is thus not truly evil.[/QUOTE]
4000 years of philosophy is embedded in that question and you want an answer from a web forum.
dang kid what the fcuk
Instead of being Pro-war or Anti-war, I rather be Anti-evil. Because war just seems to bring upon ourselves the best and worse parts of humanity. I hate anything being generalized countries and wars, It usually the war was more bad then good or more good then bad, people die, people are miserable, and war is hell. A few bad apples doesn't make the whole patch evil.
[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;18579062]Germany got behind the banner of "jews are inferior". And that's why the war was started, the conquest of the world and the purging of lesser races. And that's hardly "do unto others".
Or maybe I'm just reading the wrong Hammurabi code.[/QUOTE]
No, you're reading the right ones, I agree with you, I do. Just saying, though many thought jews inferior, they didn't push for them to all die. Just a certain group.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18579086]4000 years of philosophy is embedded in that question and you want an answer from a web forum.
dang kid what the fcuk[/QUOTE]
just doin my job henry
It's human nature, but people need to realise we are better than that, perhaps if everyone chilled the fuck out.
perhaps spraying of THC in the air worldwide?
imo war is only justifiable in defense.
I say stop killing each other and lets all have a huge pile of mansex
I read this as "Anti-war people are hypocrites because in being anti-war they're committing warfare themselves."
OP is retarded, that's all there is to it.
The extremes of both sides are complete idiots. I'll never actively "support" war. Killing other people will never be 'right,' even if it is sometimes necessary. I respect true warriors, not the politicians that send them to kill and die. The war on terror is a poorly-veiled publicity stunt-cum-fuckup. On the other hand, I'm not naive enough to believe that war can be 'stopped' either. Because of human nature, war will never end, and it will never change. The best we can do is accept it and wait for a cause truly worth fighting for.
tl;dr, Both of those Facebook groups suck. The first is made up of uneducated Southern hicks, and the second of soccer moms.
Both sides have points. War is a terrible thing, but at times it can't be avoided.
Equally, though war is necessary at times, it is a terrible practice.
I'd say I'm unbiased to both groups.
While both sides have points, please tell me you're smart enough to know that the so-called War on Terror is utter BS.
I think you have to be somewhere in the middle.
When you are in a war you have to finish it. You can't just leave in the middle of the process like afghanistan, yet you still have to come out eventually.
[QUOTE=archangel125;18580556]While both sides have points, please tell me you're smart enough to know that the so-called War on Terror is utter BS.[/QUOTE]
Of course it's BS. America doesn't give a shit about what people are doing in the Middle East, they just wanted oil.
[QUOTE=Nick99;18580573]I think you have to be somewhere in the middle.
When you are in a war you have to finish it. You can't just leave in the middle of the process like afghanistan, yet you still have to come out eventually.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but you can't keep on fighting it even if you don't even know why anymore
I am anti-war, war is terrible, kills alot of people and destroyes the world. While being agressive isn't good in my opinion, defensive is a complete other thing.
[QUOTE=Squeaken;18578156] But i'm fine with proper wars (World War 1/2 etc)
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WWI is probably one of the worst examples of what a war should be. A truly horrific scale and for the stupidest reasons.
Im for war.
I don't think war for profit is a good thing, mind. I think that War is sometimes neccesary because we, the World, cannot move forward individually. We have to be one if we want to progress forward.
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