A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah WWASP brainwashing facility - General

[QUOTE=Beezleboss;30082779]I can't be the only one who wants Motherfucker to stop posting, right?....[/QUOTE] You're not alone buddy. Antitheists as a whole tend to annoy me. Or at least the verbal ones.

[QUOTE=ironman17;30082233]...They say words cannot describe some things, but I can at least try. This is, and I use this word without any connection to religion or gods or demons, EVIL. This shameless metaphorical MUTILATION of innocent clay, torturing young children in mind and body, in an effort to mould them according to a single, twisted, EVIL archetype. If I were their so-called "God", I would tear away the barriers that separate Heaven from Earth, burning down from the skies screaming with murderous rage, and bring about retribution upon the heads of the ones who did these heinous crimes. I would torture the torturers with such intensity that they would feel pain beyond the threshold of the body, and twist their minds to experience negative emotions (fear, sorrow, revulsion) on a scale that no mortal would normally be capable of experiencing. This would continue for hours, until I strip their souls of their spiritual materia, and bind their remains, the bare wisps of consciousness, to a protean form, a senseless soft jelly-thing that could only feel regret and contemplate how badly they fucked up, for all eternity. I would then give their spiritual materia to the children that were victimised so, giving their own souls a small boost, as part of compensation. After all, what better gift than the vital energies of those who wronged you, especially if they make you stronger? But He don't exist, and there is no justice in the universe. Therefore we must make our own justice, regardless of the abstract concepts of law that seemingly guard against untimely death regardless of the nature of the target. As a great man once said, "[I]Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer[/I]", and whilst I don't think inventing God is as necessary as some would think, the principle behind it is clear: If something does not exist, it must and will be made, in this case an army of true justice, one that operates beyond law, one that never falters in it's quest to rid the universe of ignorance, hatred, oppression, and blind fanaticism. All in all, those monsters deserve nothing less than a cosmic level of punishment, their souls should be given to the children to strengthen the latter, and there really should be an all-seeing global army that smites those who commit unspeakable crimes of hate, ignorance, oppression, etc. They say words cannot describe some things, but sometimes it's best that they can't.[/QUOTE] You should write a book.

I dont want to live on this planet anymore.

[QUOTE=Motherfucker;30082785]Oh no my assumption was incorrect You still havn't explained what religion 'is' you just told me it 'isn't' that. [/QUOTE] Religion is a tool for people who can't think out of the boxthey live in, to tell themselves that they will have a (better) life after this one.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;30082675]Refused was the wrong word, I meant 'need'.[/QUOTE] How the hell do they not need it? Of course they need it. It would most probably work, unlike torture, what the hell would torture do for them other than bring pleasure to you?

I want to go there, just to help the other people who actually go (if it still exists) there. I feel like sueing WWASP.

That article from Starkilla really does hit home somewhat - the kid with Aspergers more specifically (as someone diagnosed medically, let's not go into the whole 'herp derp aspie on FP' rubbish) really does make me appreciate I live within the UK. Still, what the fuck. I have no bloody idea why, but it's certainly sickening to hear that even these sorts of injustices exist in today's society. I bet I couldn't even say "Aspie" without getting a 'search and rescue' team arriving demanding to know who the 'troublemaker' is.

[QUOTE=ironman17;30082233]...They say words cannot describe some things, but I can at least try. This is, and I use this word without any connection to religion or gods or demons, EVIL. This shameless metaphorical MUTILATION of innocent clay, torturing young children in mind and body, in an effort to mould them according to a single, twisted, EVIL archetype. If I were their so-called "God", I would tear away the barriers that separate Heaven from Earth, burning down from the skies screaming with murderous rage, and bring about retribution upon the heads of the ones who did these heinous crimes. I would torture the torturers with such intensity that they would feel pain beyond the threshold of the body, and twist their minds to experience negative emotions (fear, sorrow, revulsion) on a scale that no mortal would normally be capable of experiencing. This would continue for hours, until I strip their souls of their spiritual materia, and bind their remains, the bare wisps of consciousness, to a protean form, a senseless soft jelly-thing that could only feel regret and contemplate how badly they fucked up, for all eternity. I would then give their spiritual materia to the children that were victimised so, giving their own souls a small boost, as part of compensation. After all, what better gift than the vital energies of those who wronged you, especially if they make you stronger? But He don't exist, and there is no justice in the universe. Therefore we must make our own justice, regardless of the abstract concepts of law that seemingly guard against untimely death regardless of the nature of the target. As a great man once said, "[I]Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer[/I]", and whilst I don't think inventing God is as necessary as some would think, the principle behind it is clear: If something does not exist, it must and will be made, in this case an army of true justice, one that operates beyond law, one that never falters in it's quest to rid the universe of ignorance, hatred, oppression, and blind fanaticism. All in all, those monsters deserve nothing less than a cosmic level of punishment, their souls should be given to the children to strengthen the latter, and there really should be an all-seeing global army that smites those who commit unspeakable crimes of hate, ignorance, oppression, etc. They say words cannot describe some things, but sometimes it's best that they can't.[/QUOTE] Because the agree i gave you is not enough here [img]http://www.prewettcreekinn.com/images/Check-mark-red.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Alex Rider;30082867]That article from Starkilla really does hit home somewhat - the kid with Aspergers more specifically (as someone diagnosed medically, let's not go into the whole 'herp derp aspie on FP' rubbish) really does make me appreciate I live within the UK. Still, what the fuck. I have no bloody idea why, but it's certainly sickening to hear that even these sorts of injustices exist in today's society. [B]I bet I couldn't even say "Aspie" without getting a 'search and rescue' team arriving demanding to know who the 'troublemaker' is[/B].[/QUOTE] that sorta PC rubbish sounds more in keeping with the UK than the US. The US is pretty liberal with their, uh liberties.

Want. To go. To space. This planet sucks. Also, I'm no US Citizen, but that is a most definite constitutional right violation.

[QUOTE=Utiltrk;30082711]EAT SHIT AND DIE FUCKING [b]FAGS[/b] THAT THINK DOING THAT IS RELIGIOUS![/QUOTE] [editline]27th May 2011[/editline] wow

[QUOTE=OnlyRazor;30082916]Want. To go. To space. This planet sucks. Also, I'm no US Citizen, but that is a most definite constitutional right violation.[/QUOTE] The constitution? You mean that old piece of paper the senate wipes its ass with on a daily basis?

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30082923][editline]27th May 2011[/editline] wow[/QUOTE] Don't you do it. Learn some context man. Learn it. I really hate that. People JUMP on the word with flagrent disregard for the [I]meaning[/I]

If it still exists, I want to go there, and help the students get through this. Then, banish WWASP from existance.

[QUOTE=Motherfucker;30082939]Don't you do it. Learn some context man. Learn it. I really hate that. People JUMP on the word with flagrent disregard for the [I]meaning[/I][/QUOTE] Ordinarily I'd agree, but in this context it is [b]extremely[/b] insensitive.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;30082852]How the hell do they not need it? Of course they need it. It would most probably work, unlike torture, what the hell would torture do for them other than bring pleasure to you?[/QUOTE] You know what? You're right. The things I've said in this thread were extremely fucked up. Anger can make people say and do some really stupid shit. The things I've said in this thread are no less sadistic than the people that I'm wishing these horrible things against, and for this I apologize to all of you. I was about as mature as a toddler inside of a jam-packed Wal-Mart on Christmas.

Can't think of anything to say that hasn't already been stated, I will however spread this information whenever plausible until I forget about it.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30082962]Ordinarily I'd agree, but in this context it is [b]extremely[/b] insensitive.[/QUOTE] dude the guys from serbia. His grasp on english might not be enough to express what he is feeling about the article.

It's stuff like this that are the reasons why I can't sleep at night... What have we become?

Also I checked the wiki article. Those lawsuits have been thrown out on the flimsiest of justifications: [quote]Numerous former students or their parents have filed lawsuits against WWASPS, its personnel, or individual schools. Most have been settled out of court or dismissed for procedural reasons. For example, a 2005 lawsuit filed in California on behalf of more than 20 plaintiffs was dismissed because the judge [b]found that California lacked jurisdiction.[/b] In June 2007, Utah attorney Thomas M. Burton told a reporter that six suits he had filed against WWASPS on behalf of his clients had been dismissed on procedural grounds. WWASPS president Ken Kay told an interviewer that lawsuits against WWASPS are ploys to get money, brought by people who "are never going to be happy."[29] A lawsuit filed in 2007 against WWASPS and its founder, Robert Lichfield, on behalf of 133 plaintiffs alleging physical and sexual abuse and fraudulent concealment of abuse brought negative publicity to Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney, because Lichfield was one of six co-chairs of the Utah state fundraising committee for Romney's campaign.[29][30] On several occasions, WWASPS and its principals have responded to criticism by suing their critics. Robert Lichfield sued two individual people associated with the International Survivors Action Committee (ISAC) for defamation, invasion of his privacy, and causing "intentional interference with 'prospective economic advantage'."[27] That suit was pending as of April 2005.[27] In May 2005 a U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals dismissed (on jurisdictional grounds) a defamation lawsuit brought by WWASPS against a United Press International reporter who had done research for a news story about alleged abuse at several WWASPS schools. The reporter was accused of having made defamatory statements about WWASPS to "potential students, former students, parents of potential and former students, an employee of a state agency responsible for licensing a member school, and a Utah attorney who had filed numerous suits against [WWASPS]." [31][/quote] This is the one that really gets me. Surely this is a felony, so state jurisdictions are irrelevant?

[QUOTE=animephreak135;30082491]Not if you're underage. Camps like these will also have the parents sign over "extended custody" so they can become the legal guardians. If you're on the verge of becoming an adult, a parent can submit a form to have you declared mentally unfit to relinquish said guardianship. Camps like these love educating parents on how to do this so they can keep kids above the age of 18 against their will. I know all of this because of the horror story IAMA's that have been on Reddit regarding the issue. There was a different IAMA about a camp that would regularly beat children and force them into "fighting" rings with eachother until one of the kids blacked out or had a serious medical emergency from being hit so hard, etc.[/QUOTE] You can also legally leave your guardians if they are abusing you. In this case, the staff.

Religion is not the fault here- the problem is that [b]PEOPLE WITH UNDIAGNOSED MENTAL ILLNESSES HAVE BEEN GIVEN POWER.[/b] They [b]APPROVE and FUND[/b] these terrible places, and all of them are the [b]LOWEST FORMS OF LIFE ON EARTH.[/b]

[QUOTE=masonrulz;30082995]You can also legally leave your guardians if they are abusing you. In this case, the staff.[/QUOTE] Problem is the iscolate them, deprive them communication and basically kill / torture them if they leave.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;30082969]You know what? You're right. The things I've said in this thread were extremely fucked up. Anger can make people say and do some really stupid shit. The things I've said in this thread are no less sadistic than the people that I'm wishing these horrible things against, and for this I apologize to all of you. I was about as mature as a toddler inside of a jam-packed Wal-Mart on Christmas.[/QUOTE]I wasn't expecting you to say that, thank you. I think people should just read over what they said and imagine another person saying it or doing it to another person and think about what kind of images that brings up in their mind.

[QUOTE=Motherfucker;30082982]dude the guys from serbia. His grasp on english might not be enough to express what he is feeling about the article.[/QUOTE] That's his problem, don't go defending him.

[QUOTE=TraderRager;30083013]Religion is not the fault here- the problem is that [b]PEOPLE WITH UNDIAGNOSED MENTAL ILLNESSES HAVE BEEN GIVEN POWER.[/b][/QUOTE] Horrible implications abound.

[QUOTE=joshdasmif;30081460]Catholic schools in britain were far worse than this. Don't you even TRY to disagree.[/QUOTE] My entire compulsory education was in Catholic schools in Britain, I'm not very relisious, and yet I still disagree. The worst I ever had was my dad told me about some weirdness my primary school had about me being born outside of marriage, and I don't even remember it myself. These places described here are disgusting. Restraint should only be used to control genuine violent outbursts and should not be brutal or longer than it takes to have the kid taken away to calm down for a little while. Homophobia, sexism and forced religious preaching have no reasonable purpose, and telling people they are asking to be abused is insane. It just shows how sick even "1st world" countries are.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA[/media]

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30083040]That's his problem, don't go defending him.[/QUOTE] I'll bet you couldn't say one thing in serbian. Let alone eloquently string together a complete dissertation about how this article makes you feel.

this is fucking sickening, these places should not even exist what are people doing about this?, is Utah's government officials fucking blind and retarded? children are taken away from their families and are abused and beaten until they believe in the bible its grotesque jesus christ its like the fucking spanish inquisition it has to be stopped