A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah WWASP brainwashing facility - General

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;30082407]How does it make you any better than them by torturing (extremely) misguided people instead of rehabilitating them or any other much more ethical treatment? Torturing people because you view them in a certain way is what caused these people to do this awful shit in the first place. We're not in the middle ages anymore.[/QUOTE] Some people are hard to change with our current methods of psychotherapy. The young are easier to change, and hardness comes with age, making them harder to change. At some point in the past, they could have been changed, but they've become pottery now, and you can't shape pottery as you would clay, it's too dry and hard. Maybe at a later date, when science permits us to sort out the human mind as we would a filing cabinet or computer data, removing crazed misguided beliefs as one would wipe a virus from a hard-drive, THEN I will consider your proposal, but until then we cannot reshape hardened pottery, short of shattering it on the cold stone floor of death. We are ill-equipped as of yet to combat this pandemic of ignorance by medical methods, we don't have a cure to the virus. The only way to slow down or stop the threat is to eliminate the infected, the ones who spread the disease like wildfire to mutate those still unaffected, those still too young to resist the memetic effects, those whose urge to learn leaves the gates open for the infection to storm the soft clay villages of their minds, twisting the still-wet ceramics into a dark city, littered with towering spires of ignorance and hatred, segregating reason and freedom into small dusty ghettoes to grow weaker and weaker until they're but a faint whimsy. Life is not sacred, it spreads like weeds of wildfire, choking up the land, sea, and even the air. Things like reason, freedom, understanding, love, respect, THOSE are the only truly sacred things in this universe. We must nurture what little sacred psychological aspects remain in this dimension, lest the poison imprison them in the ghettoes and take over the cities of children's minds. But we mustn't let a bull loose in the china shop, that would be too dangerous. No, you need reasonable art critics with strong backhands to enter the shop, examine all the pottery, see which ones are still redeemable, and remark "Ugh, garbage!" as they knock the bad pottery off of their pedestals, making the bad pots smash on the marble floor and die, whilst the ones that are still malleable are reshaped to the extent of the skills of those capable of truly reshaping a bad pot before it enters the kiln. The sooner we realise that it is not life that is sacred, but instead the nice things that prevent us from spiralling into the twisting infectious "darkness" that is ignorance and hatred, the universe will be a little better. Do not hate me, that kind of attitude might one day attract a critic to knock you off your pedestal. But that day won't come yet, and you can avoid it if you let the right things shape you. Try to become a better man before the day of the kiln, and the critics might end up praising you. I don't hate you, I just want you to get better.

[QUOTE=masonrulz;30082995]You can also legally leave your guardians if they are abusing you. In this case, the staff.[/QUOTE] These camps wouldn't be a problem if it was that simple. They keep you completely out of touch with the outside world. Once you're out, you have no way of providing proof of abuse that happened while inside of the camp. These kids are basically fucked either way.

I feel very ill after reading this. Like my stomach is trying to fold in on its self. I am going to go hang out around the washroom after I post. This is one of the worst things I have ever read/been enlightened to the existence of. I haven't gone through all the pages yet; is there something I/others can do to help shut these sick places down?

Alright reading through this article my jaw was open the entire time in horror. But when I got to this part: [quote] Shortly after I left the program I was raped. I shared what happened with my mother, who then told me, like Cross Creek did, that it was my fault, I asked for it, and that I should have known it would happen. She then proceeded to share her own twisted version of the story with my Cross Creek therapist, who shared it with my group. I was mortified and my self-esteem was completely destroyed by this utter lack of confidentiality and complete betrayal of trust.[/quote] That's just utterly insanely horrible! What the fuck!

[QUOTE=ironman17;30083146]Five paragraph twisted double metaphore reach around[/QUOTE] god damn. that's some grade A wordplay to say something so god damn simple.

I want to just take a choppe, forcefully enter a complex and gather proof of the abuse, as well as driving in with a huge convoy, arresting each and every last asshole on the compound. Forcefully.

*cough* [url]http://www.crosscreekprogram.com/ccc/contact_us.asp[/url] *cough*

Burn this fucking place to the ground.

[QUOTE=Motherfucker;30083094]I'll bet you couldn't say one thing in serbian. Let alone eloquently string together a complete dissertation about how this article makes you feel.[/QUOTE] Why the hell would I bother learning some niche dialect, which is (from what I gather, don't quote me) descended from Russian? For the record I'm learning French, German and Spanish, so don't you dare call me linguistically ignorant. Besides, if he was incensed enough to post something like that he must have understood the article, which indicates he understands English very well.

[QUOTE=SEKCobra;30083207]I want to just take a choppe, forcefully enter a complex and gather proof of the abuse, as well as driving in with a huge convoy, arresting each and every last asshole on the compound. Forcefully.[/QUOTE] It's not subtle enough. they'll microwave the harddrives and shred the heat before you can so much as touch it Than you'll go to american prison for many years. (another fine institution) [editline]27th May 2011[/editline] "It's not just a program, It's a solution" A 'final solution' would you say?

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30082812]You should write a book.[/QUOTE] Why thanks, I do have a way with words, although dialogue kinda still eludes me, i'm not the best. Still, I know my concepts, and can use metaphors, but i'm still wondering whether or not i'm a little bit pretensious at times...

[QUOTE=ironman17;30083146]Some people are hard to change with our current methods of psychotherapy. The young are easier to change, and hardness comes with age, making them harder to change. At some point in the past, they could have been changed, but they've become pottery now, and you can't shape pottery as you would clay, it's too dry and hard. Maybe at a later date, when science permits us to sort out the human mind as we would a filing cabinet or computer data, removing crazed misguided beliefs as one would wipe a virus from a hard-drive, THEN I will consider your proposal, but until then we cannot reshape hardened pottery, short of shattering it on the cold stone floor of death. We are ill-equipped as of yet to combat this pandemic of ignorance by medical methods, we don't have a cure to the virus. The only way to slow down or stop the threat is to eliminate the infected, the ones who spread the disease like wildfire to mutate those still unaffected, those still too young to resist the memetic effects, those whose urge to learn leaves the gates open for the infection to storm the soft clay villages of their minds, twisting the still-wet ceramics into a dark city, littered with towering spires of ignorance and hatred, segregating reason and freedom into small dusty ghettoes to grow weaker and weaker until they're but a faint whimsy. Life is not sacred, it spreads like weeds of wildfire, choking up the land, sea, and even the air. Things like reason, freedom, understanding, love, respect, THOSE are the only truly sacred things in this universe. We must nurture what little sacred psychological aspects remain in this dimension, lest the poison imprison them in the ghettoes and take over the cities of children's minds. But we mustn't let a bull loose in the china shop, that would be too dangerous. No, you need reasonable art critics with strong backhands to enter the shop, examine all the pottery, see which ones are still redeemable, and remark "Ugh, garbage!" as they knock the bad pottery off of their pedestals, making the bad pots smash on the marble floor and die, whilst the ones that are still malleable are reshaped to the extent of the skills of those capable of truly reshaping a bad pot before it enters the kiln. The sooner we realise that it is not life that is sacred, but instead the nice things that prevent us from spiralling into the twisting infectious "darkness" that is ignorance and hatred, the universe will be a little better. Do not hate me, that kind of attitude might one day attract a critic to knock you off your pedestal. But that day won't come yet, and you can avoid it if you let the right things shape you. Try to become a better man before the day of the kiln, and the critics might end up praising you. I don't hate you, I just want you to get better.[/QUOTE]Are people who are racist always racist? People have joined the KKK and left, changed their horrid beliefs. You speak with lots of fake prose but your words don't really mean anything. All you've said is "some people cannot change" and so? How do you know these people cannot change? You've jumped straight to torturing torturers like it makes you a better man. This organization has a lot of people in it, most of them could be changed. Yet you want to kill them sadistically. Jesus christ, you're not fucking writing about characters in a story, these are real people. The mind is complex, belief systems are not hardwired into the brain. Stop speaking shit. Now I fully expect you to reply to this post with another long winded string of sentences that say nothing.

[QUOTE=Motherfucker;30083267]they'll microwave the harddrives and shred the heat before you can so much as touch it[/QUOTE] That counts as destroying evidence, punishable by prison.

K, lets change plan, we pick the complex that is the worst [and thereby furthest away from cities etc.], drive in there with 15 full packed squads, immediatly performing a room-by-room takedown, I wanna see them swipe a single hard drive or the USA arresting someone that day.

The fact that this place hasn't been raided by SWAT yet is appalling

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30083249]Why the hell would I bother learning some niche dialect, which is (from what I gather, don't quote me) descended from Russian? For the record I'm learning French, German and Spanish, so don't you dare call me linguistically ignorant. Besides, if he was incensed enough to post something like that he must have understood the article, which indicates he understands English very well.[/QUOTE] I concede your linguistic talents. But if so, than why are you taking one word out of one sentance and claiming it is a lynchpin to the whole post?

Holy fuck what is wrong with these parents Why is this cooperation still operating, this is fucking sick and twisted

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30083305]That counts as destroying evidence, punishable by prison.[/QUOTE] yeah but the police won't know, or care if there's a team of armed men in the building they aren't going to check the shredder.

Their website is very insecure, and I am now on the admin page.

[QUOTE=Motherfucker;30083343]yeah but the police won't know, or care if there's a team of armed men in the building they aren't going to check the shredder.[/QUOTE] not if we tell them to. it's called a seizure.

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;30083087][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA[/media][/QUOTE] This video always makes me happier when I see something that makes me loose faith in humanity. But not today. :smithicide:

You know how, when you watch documentaries, we always see all the horrible things that happened in the past? Lately, I've been noticing that. It just angers me and hurts me to see this notion that everything was fucked up and primitive back then. I mean, sure, it was, but it always seem like they implicitly say that everything is now sorted out and now we're [i]civilized.[/i] There's been many examples, and this is one of them. We're still living in the past. Just because we've come so extremely far technology wise (even then, we probably haven't gotten as far as we want to think, I think the glossy black colors and smooth white colors are just there to make it look more "modern"), we're still so far behind with all the fucked up shit that is still allowed to happen. Do the majority of all people think those facilities are okay? What the fuck is going on? That guy, R, seems like a twat, that's believable. What about those 2 random guys who basically just kidnapped her? Did they never stop and think "Wait, should I be doing this?". What about the parents? Can we blame all this on religion? Some of that fucked up obedience psychology? I wish I could do something about this. Normally I'm the kind of person who wants to discuss and argue and try to convince people of something, try to come to an agreement, education and all that. But when shit like this happens, there's that creeping thought that just makes you want to go after these people in the less kind way. Ever thought about how nothing in history ever happens just because someone had been talking about it? Action is always needed, just talking, spreading the word, being politically active, petitions, are only of any use in a very, very long term. Unfortunately, what really makes a difference always seem to be violence, real revolution and something akin to war. In my own head, I don't like the fact that I feel like this because it goes against some kind of morale I have, but I would seriously wish these people would band together and beat the shit out of all those personel. (also wish I could join) EDIT: Sorry if the post is kind of messy, it's an issue that has been bothering and angering me for quite a while. It's a tendency that I've been noticing on so many levels, this being one of the clearest How the FUCK are people still managing to cling on to the notion that people can change their sexuality? His argument was that she was afraid of men... Even [i]if[/i] that was the case, why the fuck would that mean she should try to change?

[QUOTE=ironman17;30083295]Why thanks, I do have a way with words, although dialogue kinda still eludes me, i'm not the best. Still, I know my concepts, and can use metaphors, but i'm still wondering whether or not i'm a little bit pretensious at times...[/QUOTE] Reading that wall of text above gave me a terrifying vision of you in an alternate Universe as a fascist dictator giving a rousing speech to all fellow citizens. You've got the "us vs them" mindset, the bogus psychology [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation](older minds are only slightly less malleable than younger ones)[/url], the bold and convincing use of language and inherently powerful-sounding words, and of course an extremist and uncompromising viewpoint. Have opinions by all means, but restrain their magnitude.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;30083424]Reading that wall of text above gave me a terrifying vision of you in an alternate Universe as a fascist dictator giving a rousing speech to all fellow citizens. You've got the "us vs them" mindset, the bogus psychology [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation](older minds are only slightly less malleable than younger ones)[/url], the bold and convincing use of language and inherently powerful-sounding words, and of course an extremist and uncompromising viewpoint. Have opinions by all means, but restrain their magnitude.[/QUOTE]The sad thing is he thinks you're praising his ideology too.

I have control over their website, and can now edit it easily, what to do next facepunch?

Who cares? He's gay.

[QUOTE=Speedfalcon;30083452]I have control over their website, and can now edit it easily, what to do next facepunch?[/QUOTE] Goatse, but that would be too obvious.... Maybe just paste the story onto the front page?

[QUOTE=Speedfalcon;30083452]I have control over their website, and can now edit it easily, what to do next facepunch?[/QUOTE] Front Page. Now. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI[/media]

[QUOTE=Motherfucker;30083330]I concede your linguistic talents. But if so, than why are you taking one word out of one sentance and claiming it is a lynchpin to the whole post?[/QUOTE] It was the lynchpin to your post. You were basically saying "lol you can't speak serbian you can't call him out on his terrible comment" To which I replied "Bullshit".

Set their motto to "We kidnap little children and brainwash them."