A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah WWASP brainwashing facility - General

[QUOTE=Halflifefan84;30095733]Fuck I rage quit about halfway through the text. How do they make you obey anyways? If they made me go there I'd refuse to do any of these things. What would they do, kill me ? Fuck if 2 guys came to pick me up without introducing themselves I'd beat the fuck out of them.[/QUOTE] you pull the tough guy act now, but after a constant barrage of demoralizing influence (yelling at you, telling you you're garbage, etc), you become much more susceptible to influence. Even if you don't give into the base influence, you adopt the behavior they want you to because it's the only way to make them leave you alone, but then you end up using the behavior, like in this case, for 2 and a half years, and it sticks.

I seriously would have driven the nearest sharp object through the neck of the people trying to take me if they burst into my room like that No explanation of whats going on you can only assume they are trying to abduct you, so would it be classed as self defense?

Is this even legal?

Holy shit, what the fuck? That's some hard shit.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;30087189]Krav Maga isn't like Taekwondo or Karate. Krav Maga is some of the dirtiest martial arts you'll ever find. The purpose of Krav Maga is strictly self preservation and a shot to the kidneys, temple, or balls is nothing. In Taekwondo and Karate they try to feed you crap telling you to only block when fighting someone inexperienced in hand to hand combat, in Krav Maga your goal is to make your enemy completely incapable of harming you. So basically, if you had a full grown man running at you at full speed, the logical thing to do would be grab him where he is most vulnerable. Imagining that sort of situation I would assume dislocating his arm or kneeing him in the testes would be a reasonable solution.[/QUOTE] sorry but in Tae-Kwon-Do they taught me to fight dirty if its needed

[QUOTE=daijitsu;30095767]you pull the tough guy act now, but after a constant barrage of demoralizing influence (yelling at you, telling you you're garbage, etc), you become much more susceptible to influence. Even if you don't give into the base influence, you adopt the behavior they want you to because it's the only way to make them leave you alone, but then you end up using the behavior, like in this case, for 2 and a half years, and it sticks.[/QUOTE] No I wouldn't. I'd sit quietly in an insulation cell if anything. I wouldn't accept anything they try to put in my head and at least yell back if they yell at me. When you go there you don't have any reasons to obey what they say. It's not a school where your interest is not to get kicked out.

[QUOTE=Matrix374;30096074]sorry but in Tae-Kwon-Do they taught me to fight dirty if its needed[/QUOTE] yeah then you're not fighting tae kwon do wing chun and jet kune do are far superior

No martial arts will stop two hulking 190lb men from charging you and taking you down. Only thing close to being able to do that is 9mm defence.

[QUOTE=daijitsu;30095767]you pull the tough guy act now, but after a constant barrage of demoralizing influence (yelling at you, telling you you're garbage, etc), you become much more susceptible to influence. Even if you don't give into the base influence, you adopt the behavior they want you to because it's the only way to make them leave you alone, but then you end up using the behavior, like in this case, for 2 and a half years, and it sticks.[/QUOTE] This. Like I said, I live in a foster home. I also fought back, but they are trained to make you crack open. For three years, the only way I managed to avoid becoming something else than I was supposed to was these weekends, when I can do what I've always been doing: making games and playing them on the computer. They tried to force me to exercise, eat protein-based foods so I would become some muscular maniac. They signed me up to all types of hobbies from bowling to a fucking chess club. Their brainwashing stopped the instant I threatened to call Finland's child protection agency (Mannerheimin lastensuojeluliitto). The threats, the violence. Suddenly it all stopped - for a while. Then it started again, demoralization, threatening with physical violence ("we'll throw you into the isolation room if you don't comply and strap you up") and such. The only way for me to break the cycle was threatening back myself. It worked a while, then it stopped again. And their job is to protect children...

[QUOTE=Namelezz!;30096267]This. Like I said, I live in a foster home. I also fought back, but they are trained to make you crack open. For three years, the only way I managed to avoid becoming something else than I was supposed to was these weekends, when I can do what I've always been doing: making games and playing them on the computer. They tried to force me to exercise, eat protein-based foods so I would become some muscular maniac. They signed me up to all types of hobbies from bowling to a fucking chess club. Their brainwashing stopped the instant I threatened to call Finland's child protection agency (Mannerheimin lastensuojeluliitto). Suddenly it all stopped - for a while. Then it started again, demoralization, threatening with physical violence ("we'll throw you into the isolation room if you don't comply and strap you up") and such. The only way for me to break the cycle was threatening back myself. It worked a while, then it stopped again. And their job is to protect children...[/QUOTE] And the only question I have is... Why DIDN'T you call the Finnish CPA?! WHY? YOU HAD THE CHANCE, WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE IT?!

[QUOTE=The golden;30087331]When you've just sentenced millions of people to be violently executed you are no longer a human being.[/QUOTE] We all like to think we wouldn't be capable of that, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment]when we actually would.[/url] Hitler was as human as the rest of us, as unpalatable as that may seem.

[QUOTE=lintz;30096262]No martial arts will stop two hulking 190lb men from charging you and taking you down. Only thing close to being able to do that is 9mm defence.[/QUOTE] Pretty much

[QUOTE=Halflifefan84;30096126]No I wouldn't. I'd sit quietly in an insulation cell if anything. I wouldn't accept anything they try to put in my head and at least yell back if they yell at me. When you go there you don't have any reasons to obey what they say. It's not a school where your interest is not to get kicked out.[/QUOTE] Well they've got other options. I've seen people in this foster home who refused to comply and they were sent into a MENTAL WARD for THREE WEEKS because of it. I'm not even joking. They were driven to the nearest one in Hämeenlinna and kept there for three weeks, then returned. Just to cause the trauma. [editline]28th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lintz;30096279]And the only question I have is... Why DIDN'T you call the Finnish CPA?! WHY? YOU HAD THE CHANCE, WHY DIDN'T YOU TAKE IT?![/QUOTE] That's a really good question. It's too late now - it's only a month before I get out.

[QUOTE=Namelezz!;30096289]Well they've got other options. I've seen people in this foster home who refused to comply and they were sent into a MENTAL WARD for THREE WEEKS because of it. I'm not even joking. They were driven to the nearest one in Hämeenlinna and kept there for three weeks, then returned. Just to cause the trauma. [editline]28th May 2011[/editline] That's a really good question. It's too late now - it's only a month before I get out.[/QUOTE] Bless your soul man.

[QUOTE=Halflifefan84;30096126]No I wouldn't. I'd sit quietly in an insulation cell if anything. I wouldn't accept anything they try to put in my head and at least yell back if they yell at me. When you go there you don't have any reasons to obey what they say. It's not a school where your interest is not to get kicked out.[/QUOTE] read the list of kids who died in these programs. half of them were in restraints and isolation.

[QUOTE=Namelezz!;30096289] That's a really good question. It's too late now - it's only a month before I get out.[/QUOTE] Stay strong, brother.

[QUOTE=Halflifefan84;30096126]No I wouldn't. I'd sit quietly in an insulation cell if anything. I wouldn't accept anything they try to put in my head and at least yell back if they yell at me. When you go there you don't have any reasons to obey what they say. It's not a school where your interest is not to get kicked out.[/QUOTE] Yeah but they use psychological torture, the sort of shit they use to break hardened criminals, you'd cower and whimper in weeks like a pansy. My last stand would the door of my house, brace myself againt the frame and headbut fuck em up as much as possible, then fuck their day up at the camp until they resort to permanent iso, then just be alone with my thoughts.

[QUOTE=lintz;30096262]No martial arts will stop two hulking 190lb men from charging you and taking you down. Only thing close to being able to do that is 9mm defence.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but this is bull fucking shit. You severely underestimate the power of martial arts.

[QUOTE=Max of S2D;30087392]You're not a human being from a moral standpoint anymore. Technically speaking (that is, anthropologically), yes, but morally, no.[/QUOTE] From [B]your[/B] moral standpoint.

[QUOTE=Halflifefan84;30096126]No I wouldn't. I'd sit quietly in an insulation cell if anything. I wouldn't accept anything they try to put in my head and at least yell back if they yell at me. When you go there you don't have any reasons to obey what they say. It's not a school where your interest is not to get kicked out.[/QUOTE] In a facility designed like a fucking mental institution, you are the patient needing rehabilitation into their perception of the world. You'd become the sort of outlier they expect, so unless you can stand up to an indefinite time of mental pressure you probably would still be getting nowhere. l2revolution

[QUOTE=lintz;30096262]No martial arts will stop two hulking 190lb men from charging you and taking you down. Only thing close to being able to do that is 9mm defence.[/QUOTE] don't you understand lintz, I've been taught to "fight dirty" so I'm pretty much invulnerable to everything ever :buddy:

[QUOTE=Laferio;30096321]I'm sorry but this is bull fucking shit. You severely underestimate the power of martial arts.[/QUOTE] Okay. I underestimate the power of martial arts. Very well then. If you are dragged off to this facility, I would like to see you create a thread when you inevitably take down these men by your lonesome, when you stand victorious over the scourge that is WWASP. Till that day, I remain skeptical because physics dictates it.

[QUOTE=Laferio;30096321]I'm sorry but this is bull fucking shit. You severely underestimate the power of martial arts.[/QUOTE] You severely under estimate the powers of 6 burly fucks with restraints and holds, and you severely over estimate your abilities. The best you can do is grab a brick and get ready to crack a skull.

Ah, by the way. Is there an option to run out of those facilities? It's been bothering me for some time.

[QUOTE=Mr MP;30096402]Ah, by the way. Is there an option to run out of those facilities? It's been bothering me for some time.[/QUOTE] You can run out... and get the police called on your ass, dragged back to the facility and subsequently shoved to the floor and restrained until you die of asphyxiation.

[QUOTE=lintz;30096351]Okay. I underestimate the power of martial arts. Very well then. If you are dragged off to this facility, I would like to see you create a thread when you inevitably take down these men by your lonesome, when you stand victorious over the scourge that is WWASP. Till that day, I remain skeptical because physics dictates it.[/QUOTE] Look up some wing chun, street fighting wing chun, and jet kune do also you want to start a riot so the orderlies would be more distracted and less come at you because you don't take on more than 3 people at once

[QUOTE=s0m3_guy;30096443]Look up some wing chun, street fighting wing chun, and jet kune do also you want to start a riot so the orderlies would be more distracted and less come at you because you don't take on more than 3 people at once[/QUOTE] In the middle of the night? Good luck rousing anyone from their sleep who won't tell their "noisy neighbour to shut the hell up because some people are trying to sleep".

[QUOTE=Mastotron;30096384]You severely under estimate the powers of 6 burly fucks with restraints and holds, and you severely over estimate your abilities. The best you can do is grab a brick and get ready to crack a skull.[/QUOTE] do you just randomly keep bricks in your room or something :v:

[QUOTE=Mr MP;30096402]Ah, by the way. Is there an option to run out of those facilities? It's been bothering me for some time.[/QUOTE] Nope, where are they gonna go? Can't go home cause the parents will just send them back, and if they are caught trying to leave the camp they get tackled and restrained and put into isolation. [editline]28th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Turnips5;30096455]do you just randomly keep bricks in your room or something :v:[/QUOTE] I'm a weegie, I dinnae go anywhere without my trusty chib :scotland:

[QUOTE=lintz;30096437]You can run out... and get the police called on your ass, dragged back to the facility and subsequently shoved to the floor and restrained until you die of asphyxiation.[/QUOTE] breaking out these weird ass facilities isn't like breaking out of prison, so I don't think cops would be after you like that