A gay teen describes her experience at a Utah WWASP brainwashing facility - General

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30112951]A single person has no power to change anything[/QUOTE] With all due respect, that mindset is what keeps a single person from becoming a powerful group of people.

There is a book coming out that discusses someone who was in the WWASP Program, and goes over what it was like. It's called 'Trapped In Paradise.' It's supposed to talk about the program they ran in Jamaica. You can check it out: [url]http://www.facebook.com/trappedinparadise1997?ref=ts[/url]

[url=http://-alphawaves.tumblr.com/post/5904332136/a-gay-teen-describes-her-experience-at-a-utah-wwasp] I posted it on tumblr [/url] It exploded overnight, lots of reactions.

[QUOTE=BldrGyMnGy;30113331][url=http://-alphawaves.tumblr.com/post/5904332136/a-gay-teen-describes-her-experience-at-a-utah-wwasp] I posted it on tumblr [/url] It exploded overnight, lots of reactions.[/QUOTE] You do your fellow man good with every additional person who knows of these atrocities.

[QUOTE=BldrGyMnGy;30113331][url=http://-alphawaves.tumblr.com/post/5904332136/a-gay-teen-describes-her-experience-at-a-utah-wwasp] I posted it on tumblr [/url] It exploded overnight, lots of reactions.[/QUOTE] This is exactly the kind of thing we need to do. Make every cent they spend covering themselves up vain. It would be really great to get it picked up by a major news outlet.

Who wants to help me get there and view what goes on in the facility for a couple weeks? If they don't want me in, I'll force myself in. It's only fair considering they force the children into the facility. Reading about their standards, I'm sure I can find many things considered inhumane and I guarantee, some of the staff (especially the director) will be crying themselves after I'm finished yelling. (I know it wouldn't help much, but things like this annoy the hell out of me.)

If the transport service men were to burst into a teen's room, who do you think the legal ruling would be in favor of if the kid knifed one or two of them? Wouldn't it be considered self-defense?

[QUOTE=Niteshifter;30113409]Who wants to help me get there and view what goes on in the facility for a couple weeks? If they don't want me in, [B]I'll force myself in.[/B] It's only fair considering they force the children into the facility. Reading about their standards, I'm sure I can find many things considered inhumane and [B]I guarantee, some of the staff (especially the director) will be crying themselves after I'm finished yelling.[/B] (I know it wouldn't help much, but things like this annoy the hell out of me.)[/QUOTE] Firstly, you'd get arrested for trespassing if you just invited yourself onto their private property. Secondly, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be the first person to yell at them and whatnot. Make them cry? Give me a break. If you really want to make a difference and bust these places, make an effort to get hired at one. Do all the dirty work they tell you to do, but keep video evidence of what goes on the entire time as well as logging everything in a journal. Infiltrating as an employee would yield much more success than if you tried barging in there like a white night trying to save the day. Yeah, you'd have to compromise your own values and mistreat kids while you're an employee, but just how much do you care about this? How far are you really willing to go to change it?

Well, I'll continue to use my influence on tumblr to get this sort of thing out. If anything new pops up, let me know.

Also I posted the reddit story on facebook in hopes of spreading any sort of awareness

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;30113593]Firstly, you'd get arrested for trespassing if you just invited yourself onto their private property. Secondly, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be the first person to yell at them and whatnot. Make them cry? Give me a break. [/quote] I'm already aware of this. It was more of a rant, hence the "I know it wouldn't help much, but things like this annoy the hell out of me" part. [quote] If you really want to make a difference and bust these places, make an effort to get hired at one. Do all the dirty work they tell you to do, but keep video evidence of what goes on the entire time as well as logging everything in a journal. Infiltrating as an employee would yield much more success than if you tried barging in there like a white night trying to save the day. Yeah, you'd have to compromise your own values and mistreat kids while you're an employee, but just how much do you care about this? How far are you really willing to go to change it?[/QUOTE] If I had the resources, I would be tempted to do so actually.

[QUOTE=amute;30112833]Because Zambies, the pro-israeli Republican, is the epitome of posting habits, right?[/QUOTE] Yes :v:. Alright, I really don't want to make this thread crash and burn, so I'll just leave it at that. [editline]29th May 2011[/editline] I've submitted this stuff to my local news outlet.

[QUOTE=Morte;30112971]With all due respect, that mindset is what keeps a single person from becoming a powerful group of people.[/QUOTE] Why I never said anything about groups, groups have tons of power

[QUOTE=Morte;30112971]With all due respect, that mindset is what keeps a single person from becoming a powerful group of people.[/QUOTE] While I'm a bit confused with Zeke myself, I think he meant that Amute's post was not very good in the sense that he was demonstrating a single citizen as lazy, not as a group, but I'm confused to :frog:

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;30094919]This shit grinds my gears. Shit like this does not represent the entire country. I fucking hate how kids see shit like this and deduce that the entire country is a cesspool of fascism and injustice. America's promotion of freedom of religion and general freedom of ideals is both it's best and worst feature. Some truly great things come out of it, people are able to escape prosecution and find homes in the US where they can freely practice whatever religion they want. However, it also brings some terrible things. Those terrible things are the minority. Yes, these schools are terrible. Yes, sending your own child to one is terrible. But the parents that do so are a tiny minority. The only reason why Americans aren't outraging about this is because a select few people do a good job at keeping it hush-hush. The few that try to take legal action always do a shit job at it and don't gather and fucking evidence so the schools get off scott free. I mean, everyone talks about how Texas is a shithole full of religious extremists and whatever, but I have lived in Texas my whole life. I have always been surrounded by people with logical ideals that, though I might disagree with them from time to time, aren't ridiculous or anything like that. Every once in a while, some crazy hardcore Fox-news fed Republican sprouts up, but they quickly get shut down by pretty much everyone else. There's so much immaturity in this thread that it's painful to read. Dipshits making assumptions about an entire country based off of the actions of a party of extremists. Dipshits talking about how anyone and everyone involved in this kind of stuff should be tortured and whatnot. [b]Grow the fuck up. The world is not black and white. It's not as easy as good vs. evil.[/b] Plenty of the people with those crazy ideals were raised that way by their parents. Is it someone's fault for the way their parents raised them? You'd torture someone just because their parents brainwashed them as a child? It's amazing how you try to throw shit around like you're supposedly the only logical person you know, yet the shit you say is far from logical.[/QUOTE] From an existentialist viewpoint, good and evil are subjective. This instance of teenagers being coerced and kidnapped angers me because I consider it evil. I consider it evil because I see this as a threat to my objectives. On the other hand, someone might call me evil on the same basis that I stand in the way of their objectives. [QUOTE=lorden;30115287]How does knowing that other people, unrelated to you at all, hurt your "objectives"? I think you mean you consider it evil because you wouldn't want that done to yourself. :v:[/QUOTE] Also a valid reason.

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;30094919]This shit grinds my gears. Shit like this does not represent the entire country. I fucking hate how kids see shit like this and deduce that the entire country is a cesspool of fascism and injustice. [/QUOTE] Don't worry that happened a long time ago.

This shit makes me sick

[QUOTE=Falchion;30114696]Don't worry that happened a long time ago.[/QUOTE] America is a cesspool of fascism and injustice? Don't be ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Extroll;30114559]From an existentialist viewpoint, good and evil are subjective. This instance of teenagers being coerced and kidnapped angers me because I consider it evil. I consider it evil because I see this as a threat to my objectives. On the other hand, someone might call me evil on the same basis that I stand in the way of their objectives.[/QUOTE] How does knowing that other people, unrelated to you at all, hurt your "objectives"? I think you mean you consider it evil because you wouldn't want that done to yourself. :v:

[QUOTE=Zeke129;30114263]Why I never said anything about groups, groups have tons of power[/QUOTE] I think what he's trying to say is that that attitude is what prevents people form banding together (forming groups) and actually doing something.

The reason why people don't take action against this kind of thing is because it's just a larger scale version of the bystander effect. People see other people getting hurt and whatnot, yet don't do anything because they expect someone else to take action first. Then they go home and rant about how it's a terrible world we live in because nobody helped the person that was getting mugged or whatever. This is no different. People see kids getting maimed and brainwashed and think it's terrible, but they don't write congressmen and they don't take action because they expect other people to do it. In the end, the problem remains not because we're in America hurr durr or anything like that, it's because people in general hate to be the first one to step up. In an example like this, where it's not a mob of people but an entire country, a relatively large number of people need to start fighting these schools before the rest of the country will get behind them. Just like someone has to jump in and help whoever is being mugged before everyone else jumps in too.

Damnit America what the fuck is wrong with you? When i read about these camps i can't help myself but think the leaders are some cult people or jehova's stuffing their believes into perfectly normal children who can't be brought up by bad parents. [editline]29th May 2011[/editline] How can this even be legal in America?

[QUOTE=XanaToast.;30083145] children are taken away from their families and are abused and beaten until they believe in the bible [/QUOTE] Its [b]THE PARENTS[/b] that got them there in the first place. And you would think your parents are bad... [quote=webpage FAQs] [b]How long do the teens stay?[/b] It is recommended that the teen stay for [U][B]1 year[/B][/U] giving the teen enough time to incorporate the changes they have made. Each teen progresses at a different pace [/quote] In 1 year anyone would crack and forget who you were. [QUOTE=Psycho_Shadow;30085789]I was checking the history for the article and found some info on the camp, probably true, but taken out since it wasn't "encyclopedic". [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cross_Creek_Programs&oldid=268961607[/url][/QUOTE] [quote] joking about running away, talking to people on run-risk [b]acknowledging radio[/b], touching or using things not allowed to 312 Academic Deficiency not passing one test a week 401 Insubordination Not writing up rule violations you witness (read as always snitch) [b]communication with opposite sex[/b] 412 Runaway Plans [b]looking out windows, looking at maps[/b], communication on cat 4 silence [/quote] It seems that they took all precautions to keep you in. Also, imagine living without news for 1 year.

As a patient at a mental hospital I have to say that the vast majority of them aren't like this. BTW heres the mental hospital Im a patient at [url]http://www.bhcalhambra.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=MaverickIB;30115456]The reason why people don't take action against this kind of thing is because it's just a larger scale version of the bystander effect. People see other people getting hurt and whatnot, yet don't do anything because they expect someone else to take action first. Then they go home and rant about how it's a terrible world we live in because nobody helped the person that was getting mugged or whatever. [/QUOTE] Actually it is because most people don't really care(about the schools thing). Today you read the article, are sad. Tomorrow you forget and move on. If the problem doesn't relate to you in any way, chances are you won't give a shit. This happens often, especially on the internet. Sending petitions and shit to the congress and other places is just a waste of time for most people. As sad as it is, I know I personally wouldn't bother either. It's not the fact that I don't want to help, it's the fact that I have stuff in my life more important. And doing this gives no reward. Decades after decades we are taught that good does not pay. If you did something bad, you're all over the news. If you did something good, chances of getting in the news are really slim I think our mentality has been developed wrong. If we rewarded good deeds, many more good deeds would be done. Hence why people believe in karma. Without karma, nothing will reward your good deeds.

I don't want to live in this universe anymore.

I guess I should tell my experiences at psychiatric facilities. The first time I went to a psych hospital was due to suicidal thoughts and I was put on mandatory 72 hour hold. It was pretty helpful actually, I was never put in restraints, the staff where pretty cool, and the patients weren't psychopaths (Although some of them did have schizophrenia). My second stay was voluntary and a bit worse, I was forced to stay in my room isolated with a catatonic kid (He OD'd on LSD) and it was pretty fucking scary. But it got better, I met some friends, made out with a kid, and got the help I needed. My third stay was at BHC Alhambra after I tried to jump off a building at school and it was pretty good I met some REALLY good friends there got the help I needed and am currently a partial inpatient at the hospital.

Im thinking about calling them sometime soon, Does anyone mind donating a skype credit voucher? I dont have enough money to buy any skype credit at the moment.

reposting for new page I guess I should tell my experiences at psychiatric facilities. The first time I went to a psych hospital was due to suicidal thoughts and I was put on mandatory 72 hour hold. It was pretty helpful actually, I was never put in restraints, the staff where pretty cool, and the patients weren't psychopaths (Although some of them did have schizophrenia). My second stay was voluntary and a bit worse, I was forced to stay in my room isolated with a catatonic kid (He OD'd on LSD) and it was pretty fucking scary. But it got better, I met some friends, made out with a kid, and got the help I needed. My third stay was at BHC Alhambra after I tried to jump off a building at school and it was pretty good I met some REALLY good friends there got the help I needed and am currently a partial inpatient at the hospital.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;30115766] made out with a kid[/QUOTE] What are you, some kind of a pedo?