[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN0oKIMlHyI[/media]
OP for next weeks TWIS.
I remember Sargon saying that his actual motivation to make the petition was more to actually see how many people would also like to see an end to social justice in universities. I'm sure he doesn't actually expect just this petition to change things.
I watch most of Sargon's videos. He may be pretentious/full of himself/whatever, but he's usually right with a lot of what he says. You can't disregard someone's view because you don't like how they say it.
I like how the sjws here think that their opinion is so fucking important, I have honestly never seen a group of people this pretentious on this forum.
Commenting on a video without watching it :goodjob:
I heard Sanius Squad is hiring again
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[QUOTE=Able-bodied;50194324]I like how the sjws here think that their opinion is so fucking important, I have honestly never seen a group of people this pretentious on this forum.
Commenting on a video without watching it :goodjob:
I heard Sanius Squad is hiring again[/QUOTE]
how is this post any more constructive
all you're doing is stirring the pot
[QUOTE=SpartanApples;50194245]I remember Sargon saying that his actual motivation to make the petition was more to actually see how many people would also like to see an end to social justice in universities. I'm sure he doesn't actually expect just this petition to change things.
I watch most of Sargon's videos. He may be pretentious/full of himself/whatever, but he's usually right with a lot of what he says. You can't disregard someone's view because you don't like how they say it.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure that's what happens every time Sargon is mentioned on this forum.
I mean you can disregard people's views on the base of them being white male and "mansplaining" so why not on the base on them being unpleasant?
[QUOTE=Able-bodied;50194324]I heard Sanius Squad is hiring again[/QUOTE]These days that group can't really reform. Most of the big offenders got permabanned, some of them across alts as well. The moderator who formed their backbone and kept them safe was demodded then basically dragged through the streets and permabanned. The moderators who tolerated them or in a couple of cases may have been somewhat sympathetic have turned against them as well. But the biggest issue is that, after dealing with them for so long, everyone else learned their tricks and language. By sheer repetition, everyone figured them out and got good at knocking them down before they could say much. Hence why in a lot of cases the remaining ones resort to just drive-by shitposting in threads, they are afraid of getting in to a fight they know they couldn't win.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50193721]
I don't know if you've watched the long vid but[/QUOTE]
I did watch it. I'm subscribed to Sargon on Youtube. I also watched OP's video. I agree with everything you say. I don't know why you quoted me and threw out some bogus feminist talking points.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50192716]Your anecdotes are worth as much as the "vocal anti-sjw" ones are. I've seen plenty of real life SJW shit and I live in a post-soviet country for god's sake. Your condescending tone (infested with ES JAY DOUBLE Us) does not help, you should make a youtube video, you'd fit right in with the crowd.[/QUOTE]
I dunno. I mean, at my college in Las Vegas we don't seem to have this problem. We do have voluntary meetings for cultural understanding and SJW-esque topics, but I haven't really seen them to be negative.
The problem when people say SJW is that SJW embodies a lot of different concepts and simply by association those concepts are seen as bad. We have a woman-focused rape center on campus (although anyone can come for problems, birth control, education, etc), and we have activism on campus, but I've only had condemnation for the "EVOLUTION IS A LIE" sign carrying assholes that don't even go to college. We totally have the Tumblr types that push for better conditions for people and they aren't bad people - I think people are just focusing on the bad ones.
I've only been exposed to bad SJW's by proxy of the internet save for one real SJW I knew in real life that justified "reverse racism" and things like that, but that's one person in the gigantic wave of people I know all together, which includes members of the LGBTQ community and what not.
So I think this problem has to be focused in not just liberal areas, but specific schools where these movements can gain traction and spiral out of control. I do think they exist, but I also think that people are making it a millennial problem as opposed to an individual problem of some areas and college campuses. And I do think that people need to be careful in talking about SJW's so that they don't end up lumping in the good stuff too - a lot of honest feminist battles, discussions about rape, discussions about slut-shaming, and all kinds of other things are being lumped together as part of the PC police and completely shut down outright before given any consideration. That makes me sad.
It really comes down to false representation, really. Only the obnoxious get a chance to represent an entire group, and so we're quick to focus on the crazy ones and use that as a motive to write out what could honestly be a continuation of things like the civil rights movements and a proper pursuing of equality. Back then, you had notable characters like Malcolm X that went about it the wrong way, and I think that that's what we have right now - a lot of people who are being overly aggressive and in no way should represent the entire movement as it stands now, let alone our generation.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50194367]Pretty sure that's what happens every time Sargon is mentioned on this forum.
I mean you can disregard people's views on the base of them being white male and "mansplaining" so why not on the base on them being unpleasant?[/QUOTE]
I can't blame people for not watching TWIS because that's where Sargon gets really, really obnoxious, but I think some of his content is really good.
When he's just breaking down and analyzing philosophy and history, he's fine. He's terrible when it comes to news and people.
[editline]24th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50194450]I dunno. I mean, at my college in Las Vegas we don't seem to have this problem. We do have voluntary meetings for cultural understanding and SJW-esque topics, but I haven't really seen them to be negative.
The problem when people say SJW is that SJW embodies a lot of different concepts and simply by association those concepts are seen as bad. We have a woman-focused rape center on campus (although anyone can come for problems, birth control, education, etc), and we have activism on campus, but I've only had condemnation for the "EVOLUTION IS A LIE" sign carrying assholes that don't even go to college. We totally have the Tumblr types that push for better conditions for people and they aren't bad people - I think people are just focusing on the bad ones.
I've only been exposed to bad SJW's by proxy of the internet save for one real SJW I knew in real life that justified "reverse racism" and things like that, but that's one person in the gigantic wave of people I know all together, which includes members of the LGBTQ community and what not.
So I think this problem has to be focused in not just liberal areas, but specific schools where these movements can gain traction and spiral out of control. I do think they exist, but I also think that people are making it a millennial problem as opposed to an individual problem of some areas and college campuses. And I do think that people need to be careful in talking about SJW's so that they don't end up lumping in the good stuff too - a lot of honest feminist battles, discussions about rape, discussions about slut-shaming, and all kinds of other things are being lumped together as part of the PC police and completely shut down outright before given any consideration. That makes me sad.
It really comes down to false representation, really. Only the obnoxious get a chance to represent an entire group, and so we're quick to focus on the crazy ones and use that as a motive to write out what could honestly be a continuation of things like the civil rights movements and a proper pursuing of equality. Back then, you had notable characters like Malcolm X that went about it the wrong way, and I think that that's what we have right now - a lot of people who are being overly aggressive and in no way should represent the entire movement as it stands now, let alone our generation.[/QUOTE]
I think social justice is an area of academia that could do with more scrutiny.
Of course it isn't universally bad, but it doesn't really seem like there's much internal oversight that's preventing it from becoming bad. It kinda looks like you just have an echo chamber where everyone encourages everyone else to become more and more extreme, while not really holding each other to any sort of critical standard.
The thing you're worried about, people associating nonsense like "white people can't have dreadlocks" with "slut shaming is wrong", is a result of a lack of critical oversight. People lump them together because the nonsense isn't being filtered out.
If you want people to take social justice issues seriously, you need to make sure social justice is sensible.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50194393]I did watch it. I'm subscribed to Sargon on Youtube. I also watched OP's video. I agree with everything you say. I don't know why you quoted me and threw out some bogus feminist talking points.[/QUOTE]
I quoted you because I thought you are trying to say this is gray area and up for interpretation so hard science can't apply to it.
[QUOTE=Able-bodied;50194324]
I heard Sanius Squad is hiring again[/QUOTE]
We aren't.
[QUOTE=Able-bodied;50194324]I like how the sjws here think that their opinion is so fucking important, I have honestly never seen a group of people this pretentious on this forum.
Commenting on a video without watching it :goodjob:
I heard Sanius Squad is hiring again[/QUOTE]
I wonder who's alt this is.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;50194674]We aren't.[/QUOTE]
Tell the baguette that I send my regards.
If the Sanius Squad is hiring I better not have to be the one to train the new guy. BDA can do it. Can't we just rehire thisispain?
The nice thing about freedom of speech is that Sargon is free to petition whatever he wants, even if what he wants is strange nebulous demands sent to unspecified universities. I just hope he realizes the irony of wanting to censor professors in order to protect freedom of speech...
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50194842]If the Sanius Squad is hiring I better not have to be the one to train the new guy. BDA can do it. Can't we just rehire thisispain?
The nice thing about freedom of speech is that Sargon is free to petition whatever he wants, even if what he wants is strange nebulous demands sent to unspecified universities. I just hope he realizes the irony of wanting to censor professors in order to protect freedom of speech...[/QUOTE]
Did you like read anything that was posted in this thread
[QUOTE=Able-bodied;50194890]Did you like read anything that was posted in this thread[/QUOTE]
Like I said, drive-by-shitposting.
[QUOTE=Able-bodied;50194890]Did you like read anything that was posted in this thread[/QUOTE]
It's only two pages, of course I did.
Nice ban
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50194903]Like I said, drive-by-shitposting.[/QUOTE]
Just because you read it, doesn't mean you're capable of understanding or contextualizing it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50194842]If the Sanius Squad is hiring I better not have to be the one to train the new guy. BDA can do it. Can't we just rehire thisispain?
The nice thing about freedom of speech is that Sargon is free to petition whatever he wants, even if what he wants is strange nebulous demands sent to unspecified universities. I just hope he realizes the irony of wanting to censor professors in order to protect freedom of speech...[/QUOTE]
no one is saying people shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions
what they're saying is that universities shouldn't be paying teachers to teach students demonstrably untrue information as fact and direct them to participate in political action in support of the teacher's ideology
like how people are allowed to be creationists but they aren't allowed to teach creationism to biology students as though it were fact
the point of the petition is not to force Universities to comply with a set of demands, it's to call attention to a problem with the hope that Universities will want to act of their own volition to address it
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50194842]If the Sanius Squad is hiring I better not have to be the one to train the new guy. BDA can do it. Can't we just rehire thisispain?
The nice thing about freedom of speech is that Sargon is free to petition whatever he wants, even if what he wants is strange nebulous demands sent to unspecified universities. I just hope he realizes the irony of wanting to censor professors in order to protect freedom of speech...[/QUOTE]
How is this censorship? Can't you people make one post without distorting someone's position?
To be honest, Libertarian Socialist Rants is better at making straight content videos on anarchism and how leftists tackle certain topics. Responding to people who use "sjws coming to take away our freedoms" as an argument doesn't help anything.
Plus this type of thing really doesn't suit his video making style. He's not a particularly great debater, he seems to pick the lowest hanging fruit of his opponent's argument.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50195123]no one is saying people shouldn't be allowed to express their opinions
[b]what they're saying is that universities shouldn't be paying teachers to teach students demonstrably untrue information as fact and direct them to participate in political action in support of the teacher's ideology[/b]
like how people are allowed to be creationists but they aren't allowed to teach creationism to biology students as though it were fact
the point of the petition is not to force Universities to comply with a set of demands, it's to call attention to a problem with the hope that Universities will want to act of their own volition to address it[/QUOTE]
The problem is that people have already decided what is and isn't true according to their own personal ideology when it comes to sociology. In this field both sides are guilty of conflating "thing I don't like" with "thing that is demonstrably untrue". Is that a can of worms you want opened?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50196606]How is this censorship? Can't you people make one post without distorting someone's position?[/QUOTE]
You realize you're just being concern-trolled right? You ever see Zeke offer a solution post? Like an articulated means and method of solving all the problems he's sat upon his throne gazing upon? You're just covering his boredom with your own indignation for no effect, reason, or moving/achieving of solutions/goals.
Just move on.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50196741]The problem is that people have already decided what is and isn't true according to their own personal ideology when it comes to sociology. In this field both sides are guilty of conflating "thing I don't like" with "thing that is demonstrably untrue". Is that a can of worms you want opened?[/QUOTE]
If it is impossible to prove whether or not the statement "one in four women on college campuses have been raped" is true, then it has no business being taught as fact in universities.
Speculation and supposition ought to be clearly marked as such and separated from rigorous science if they are to be included at all. If social justice cannot bear scientific standards, then it does not deserve the title of science.
[QUOTE=daschnek;50196661]To be honest, Libertarian Socialist Rants is better at making straight content videos on anarchism and how leftists tackle certain topics. Responding to people who use "sjws coming to take away our freedoms" as an argument doesn't help anything.
Plus this type of thing really doesn't suit his video making style. He's not a particularly great debater, he seems to pick the lowest hanging fruit of his opponent's argument.[/QUOTE]
I think he really should have just picked a better target that speaks about a similar issue, rather than what is essentially a joke petition. His devolving to insults is pretty much him not really having much to say, despite mentioning some decent points on the topic. I usually like his videos and am glad that he's back but this one was not very good.
[QUOTE=daschnek;50196661]To be honest, Libertarian Socialist Rants is better at making straight content videos on anarchism and how leftists tackle certain topics. Responding to people who use "sjws coming to take away our freedoms" as an argument doesn't help anything.
Plus this type of thing really doesn't suit his video making style. He's not a particularly great debater, he seems to pick the lowest hanging fruit of his opponent's argument.[/QUOTE]
The part at the end where he calls Sargon an idiot was a huge turnoff.
There's actual thoughtful discussion on this issue taking place that doesn't just devolve into insults and shitflinging, just not within the domain of YouTube political pundits.
Here's a good example (by Gary Edwards):
[video=youtube;NqLIA879uxY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqLIA879uxY[/video]
Essentially the problem isn't that professors are allowed to teach whatever they wish, it's that people with opposing viewpoints are barred from rebutting them due to no-platforming policies established by student unions. If people were allowed to debate against these false claims then they would very quickly be thrown out without a massive institutional power being required to dictate what the 'correct' syllabus is.
Having an open discourse is always the best way to approach these problems.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50196741]The problem is that people have already decided what is and isn't true according to their own personal ideology when it comes to sociology. In this field both sides are guilty of conflating "thing I don't like" with "thing that is demonstrably untrue". Is that a can of worms you want opened?[/QUOTE]
then maybe sociology classes shouldn't teach [i]anything[/i] that isn't backed by some serious evidence as being objective fact?
[QUOTE=elowin;50204143]then maybe sociology classes shouldn't teach [i]anything[/i] that isn't backed by some serious evidence as being objective fact?[/QUOTE]
Or better yet, allow everyone to speak by reforming the currently abusable no-platform policies so that people who say incorrect things can get taken down in free, open debate.
[QUOTE=person11;50192934]I am an archeology major and this man has ruined the Akkadian Empire for me. now i must study other periods in ancient Mesopotamian history[/QUOTE]
its almost like you DON'T think somebody that rants on the internet about sjw's is on the same level as someone known as "The great king"
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