• The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014)
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[QUOTE=Butthurter;43390865]lol[/QUOTE] Captain America was great. Thor was the one that was lacking.
at least thor stuck to its theme and style. captain america had great potential but for some reason they chose to put laser guns in the movie? not to mention, captain america dragged on and on, while thor at least used the scenes inbetween action sequences for comic relief
They had an indestructible shield, a super-soldier serum, a reality-warping Asgardian cube, and you took issue with laser guns? lol Besides they make sense in the story. That's like saying Thor doesn't stick to it's theme by including a giant robot. Isn't it like a well established part of the comics that HYDRA had advanced technology and performed experiments and stuff during World War II?
The only Phase 1 movie I didn't enjoy was IM2
the entire first half of CA sets what you'll think will be the tone for the movie though. the indestructible shield? made by a bunch of 40's scientists, in a 40's styled lab, and even with some old school testing when that lady-whose-name-i-forgot shot at the shield in the middle of the facility super soldier serum? also made in a 40's styled lab. absolutely nothing in that scene looked out of place. if i had gone to the set without knowing it was for a movie and they told me it was a testing facility from WWII, i'd probably have believed them. as for the cosmic cube, it's meant to look out of place. it's an alien artifact that works as a power source with infinite potential, ffs. and don't even try to compare it to the robot in thor (not actually a robot btw). the destroyer is completely stylized to look just like everything else out of asgard. but the laser guns in CA are just so incredibly out of place in a movie that takes place in the second world war, i mean are you telling me this is what the nazis would've created, had they acquired a really efficient source of energy in the 1940s? [img]http://0.tqn.com/d/movies/1/0/L/U/W/captain-america-photo-hydra-soldiers.jpg[/img] how does that make sense? how does having a new power source make the nazis instantly change the style of everything they made? why not have the hydra soldiers be a little more steampunk-ish? [editline]2nd January 2014[/editline] i mean its not like if the US had the cube by 1960 they'd go "wow yes this is great now let's make a 2005 mustang"
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43392327]i mean are you telling me this is what the nazis would've created, had they acquired a really efficient source of energy in the 1940s?[/QUOTE] No, it's what HYRDRA would've created. It's not like it's out of place. Fiction where Nazi's have access to advanced tech like lasers is very common. It spawns from outlandish conspiracy theories on the 40's the Nazis had UFOs, robots, and laser guns. Really though this is way too off topic for Spidey. There's the Marvel Cinematic thread for all this.
Actually HYDRA pretty much dissociated themselves from the Nazis the minute they acquired the cube iirc, especially with Red Skull vaporizing some of Hitler's top men. And HYDRA's whole shtick was advanced technology and secret science and stuff so it's not like they radically changed. [editline]2nd January 2014[/editline] Literally their entire plan was defeating the Nazis after the allies are defeated [editline]2nd January 2014[/editline] On another note, I agree with Dan as always, I keep forgetting this is a Spider-Man thread :v:
[QUOTE=Dan2593;43392559]It's not like it's out of place. Fiction where Nazi's have access to advanced tech like lasers is very common. It spawns from outlandish conspiracy theories on the 40's the Nazis had UFOs, robots, and laser guns.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=IceyMalone;43392569]Actually HYDRA pretty much dissociated themselves from the Nazis the minute they acquired the cube iirc, especially with Red Skull vaporizing some of Hitler's top men. And HYDRA's whole shtick was advanced technology and secret science and stuff so it's not like they radically changed.[/QUOTE] But that's not at all what the theme of CA is about. You're trying to justify terrible design choices that shouldn't be justified- They chose to go with them and they looked bad. Just check the [url=http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-captain-america-and-the-rocketeer/]Half in the Bag[/url] review for it, from 7:30 onwards. They cover pretty much everything I'm talking about
Sorry, but I'm sure the filmmakers were very well aware of the theme of the movie as they were making it. Your main basis for this is that it "doesn't fit with the rest of the story" when most of the story revolves around recovering an alien artifact. If you go into Captain America expecting a period drama or the like, you're watching the wrong movie. All of the issues you have with the movie are justified by the very nature of the story. Case closed, and I don't want to risk an off-topic ban when this is a Spider-Man thread
I didn't say it didn't fit with the [i]story[/i], I said it didn't fit with the [i]theme and style[/i], and it didn't. The theme was the 40's. Captain America dresses like he was from the 40's. The setting is the 40's. The story itself happens in the 40's. How the hell does that justify futuristic designs? Futuristic technology, yes, but not designs that look like they're from some weird dystopian future. Don't forget that it's a movie, and just because it makes sense in the story it doesn't mean it's stylistically or thematically good, and that the story (or the style) can't be changed. Also, I wasn't expecting a period drama, I was expecting a consistent theme. Iron Man has a consistent theme, Thor has a consistent theme, but CA just falls apart on that aspect. Anyway, if you really want to keep the discussion going, post about it [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1241517&p=43392097#post43392097]here[/url]
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;43389980]The Raimi movies are just cheesy as fuck, pretty much everything is seriously underdeveloped in comparison and most of the acting just makes me cringe hard, they were good for the time but they simply don't stand up to recent Marvel movies like Amazing Spider-Man, Thor, Iron Man, Captain America etc.[/QUOTE] I love the Raimi trilogy, but Peter (out of costume) and Mary Jane are both so socially awkward that their scenes hurt to watch sometimes.
fuck me i didnt know this was the captain america thread
fuck you every thread is the captain america thread unless you're not american [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrXwAeJ87Bk[/media]
What have I done
At least it gives us something to talk about til the next news update. [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] in the end, it is our differences that brings us together. [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] or keeps us together, whatever V:v:V
[QUOTE=Dan2593;43384080] But Amazing Spiderman has really done it's characters so much better. Spiderman is [I]perfect[/I].[/QUOTE] everything about this post is wrong
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;43423628]everything about this post is wrong[/QUOTE] your opinion is just better clearly, no need to explain why
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;43423628]everything about this post is wrong[/QUOTE] He's somewhat right, they've got the wisecracking down pretty well. Better than the Raimi one.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;43423807]your opinion is just better clearly, no need to explain why[/QUOTE] if it's preferring the Raimi films over ASM, then yes it is better
The Raimi films are awesome.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;43427470]He's somewhat right, they've got the wisecracking down pretty well. Better than the Raimi one.[/QUOTE] ASM does have the better one-liners, they're more akin to something pete would say in the comics. but andrew garfield isn't the right guy to deliver them, and quite frankly imo he needs a haircut to be peter parker.
The Rami films are very awesome. The Webb Spiderman is so much better. The wisecracking and the agility is phenomenal.
[QUOTE=Pops;43429091]ASM does have the better one-liners, they're more akin to something pete would say in the comics. but andrew garfield isn't the right guy to deliver them, and quite frankly imo he needs a haircut to be peter parker.[/QUOTE] I feel like Garfield was a fantastic choice as parker.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;43427845]if it's preferring the Raimi films over ASM, then yes it is better[/QUOTE] i accept you as my overlord, o superior one
[QUOTE=Dan2593;43429449]The Rami films are very awesome. The Webb Spiderman is so much better. The wisecracking and the agility is phenomenal.[/QUOTE] What was so phenomenal about some very few "wisecracking" lines and some better cgi? If I had to nitpick, Raimi's Spider-Man was drastically more agile and capable than the Webb Spider-Man.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;43429449]The Rami films are very awesome. The Webb Spiderman is so much better. The wisecracking and the agility is phenomenal.[/QUOTE] wisecracks and "agility" don't make up for cartoon lizard with a macguffin bomb and swinging the cranes with c thomas howell
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;43434540]wisecracks and "agility" don't make up for cartoon lizard with a macguffin bomb and swinging the cranes with c thomas howell[/QUOTE] because willem dafoe injecting himself with mystery fluid and then becoming mr. split personality insane man in an iron man suit was so much less ridiculous?
Raimi Spider-Man never failed to dodge bullets and actually had spider-sense bordering on precognition. Just saying that he's way more capable, stronger and agile than from what we've seen of Webb Spider-Man. [editline]6th January 2014[/editline] ASM had better cgi and made him move more like a spider. Still, that didn't help him when he got capped in the leg by that sniper and/or failed to subdue that swat team + captain stacy.
[QUOTE=kimchimafia;43435078]Raimi Spider-Man never failed to dodge bullets and actually had spider-sense bordering on precognition. Just saying that he's way more capable, stronger and agile than from what we've seen of Webb Spider-Man.[/QUOTE] He also stopped a fucking train. Webb - 0 Raimi - train
[QUOTE=Dunsparce;43435124]He also stopped a fucking train. Webb - 0 Raimi - train[/QUOTE] He also took a grenade to the face. And didn't die.
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