• The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014)
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[QUOTE=Zuimzado;44701094]Wow, was I disappointed. Apart from some things like Electro (and even then his arc was dropped halfway through the movie so he could be an one-dimensional villain), this movie was pretty much a mess of plots and characters which reeks of trying to build up an universe like Marvel's, except missing the point and just stuffing it full of 'easter eggs' and 'villains'- which were more like petulant crybabies (I want attention! I want your blood!) blaming it on Spider-Man for [I]some reason.[/I] Here's something I didn't get, for example. [sp]Harry wanted Spider-Man's blood, right? So when he got the venom which made Spider-Man... why did he go after him? Why not go after the execs which tried to take Oscorp from him?[/sp] [editline]2nd May 2014[/editline] Also, Oscorp still has Disney ride narration![/QUOTE] The thought with Max is that [sp]he was mentally unstable the whole time. He seemed completely desperate for any kind of recognition or self affirmation, and Spidey had given him that. He felt like Spidey really was his best pal (you saw how he became the biggest spidey neckbeard after that). He was completely enamored when he saw his face all over time square too, but when Spidey showed up, not only did he remember his name, he ended up taking the spotlight from him. Not saying this is a rational thought, but since they portrayed him as being kind of wacko the whole time, it makes sense he would hate Spidey after something simple like that.[/sp] [sp]As for Harry, well, Spidey telling him he wouldn't help was basically like saying "I'm leaving you to die." You saw how mad he was about it, and how he pretty much told Max Dillon he wanted Spidey to bleed. It makes sense to me that he would do that. He kind of already fucked with that exec that got him overthrown.[/sp]
[QUOTE=HWECQI;44701150]The thought with Max is that [sp]he was mentally unstable the whole time. He seemed completely desperate for any kind of recognition or self affirmation, and Spidey had given him that. He felt like Spidey really was his best pal (you saw how he became the biggest spidey neckbeard after that). He was completely enamored when he saw his face all over time square too, but when Spidey showed up, not only did he remember his name, he ended up taking the spotlight from him. Not saying this is a rational thought, but since they portrayed him as being kind of wacko the whole time, it makes sense he would hate Spidey after something simple like that.[/sp] [sp]As for Harry, well, Spidey telling him he wouldn't help was basically like saying "I'm leaving you to die." You saw how mad he was about it, and how he pretty much told Max Dillon he wanted Spidey to bleed. It makes sense to me that he would do that. He kind of already fucked with that exec that got him overthrown.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]When Max's transformation into Electro relies on the NYPD overreacting (he didn't hurl the truck away, he even put it back on its place neatly), not listening to him yelling (you're really telling me no one listened to him), Max not complying for no reason (just say 'I didn't do it'), the idea that they would just plaster his face all over Times Square (which they wouldn't because they never do that) and thinking that Spider-Man somehow controls what is on the Times Square screens, I'm not willing to overlook that for a few cool scenes. And the needy personality is not totally forgotten, when Harry says he needs him and Electro smiles, I actually liked that, but nope, almost immediately he goes back to his out-of-nowhere god-complex.[/sp] [sp]And Harry asked for Spider-Man to bleed so he could get the blood, didn't he? Okay, no, because he knew about Special Projects. Then it's more logical to think that he said that so he could have Electro on his side. I mean, after he got the venom, there's no reason he'd go after Spider-Man- unless he's a petulant crybaby and not the sociopathic smart man-child the movie was showing him to be. It'd make more sense if after the Electro fight, we cut to one of the Oscorp execs running, and Green Goblin is basically hunting them throughout the building, and then we can have him on the next movie, instead of 'he's gotta be there so Gwen dies'.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;44701204][sp]When Max's transformation into Electro relies on the NYPD overreacting (he didn't hurl the truck away, he even put it back on its place neatly), not listening to him yelling (you're really telling me no one listened to him), Max not complying for no reason (just say 'I didn't do it'), the idea that they would just plaster his face all over Times Square (which they wouldn't because they never do that) and thinking that Spider-Man somehow controls what is on the Times Square screens, I'm not willing to overlook that for a few cool scenes. And the needy personality is not totally forgotten, when Harry says he needs him and Electro smiles, I actually liked that, but nope, almost immediately he goes back to his out-of-nowhere god-complex.[/sp] [sp]And Harry asked for Spider-Man to bleed so he could get the blood, didn't he? Okay, no, because he knew about Special Projects. Then it's more logical to think that he said that so he could have Electro on his side. I mean, after he got the venom, there's no reason he'd go after Spider-Man. It'd make more sense if after the Electro fight, we cut to one of the Oscorp execs running, and Green Goblin is basically hunting them throughout the building, and then we can have him on the next movie, instead of 'he's gotta be there so Gwen dies'.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] I wouldn't call the god complex out of nowhere. He literally went from having nothing to him at all to being electric and shit, of course he's gonna have the power go to his head. I can see where you're coming from with the NYPD thing though in Times Square, though for me I was okay with it I guess since it didn't seem that outlandish in comparison to all the other large scale things in the movie. Kind of held my disbelief, I guess. I kinda felt too that Harry really resented Spidey for rejecting his plea. You brought up the very reason right there though why he would go after Spidey, he knew Special Projects was there, so he didn't want spidey to bleed for cure's sake. He wanted vengeance. It probably would have been good to have some shots of him killing that executive, but after that I figure he definitely would have gone to make sure Spidey died, since the power being on meant Electro had failed.[/sp]
[QUOTE=HWECQI;44701242][sp] I wouldn't call the god complex out of nowhere. He literally went from having nothing to him at all to being electric and shit, of course he's gonna have the power go to his head. I can see where you're coming from with the NYPD thing though in Times Square, though for me I was okay with it I guess since it didn't seem that outlandish in comparison to all the other large scale things in the movie. Kind of held my disbelief, I guess. I kinda felt too that Harry really resented Spidey for rejecting his plea. You brought up the very reason right there though why he would go after Spidey, he knew Special Projects was there, so he didn't want spidey to bleed for cure's sake. He wanted vengeance. It probably would have been good to have some shots of him killing that executive, but after that I figure he definitely would have gone to make sure Spidey died, since the power being on meant Electro had failed.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]But here's the problem with that idea. Harry Osborn is a sociopathic man-child, yes, but he doesn't strike me as the guy who would do it this little itty bitty revenge, especially when he already got what he wanted and when there's more immediate revenge to be had- with the executives. There is no emotional value to him finding out Peter's identity- also, kind of unbelievable he did NOTHING with that knowledge whilst on the institute. Wouldn't it make more sense for him to kill the execs, fly over the fight, see that Spidey won (and see Gwen, thus making the connection that Peter = Spidey if you really want him to do that), go back to plan the Sinister Six so then he can take his revenge not only on Peter but on everything he loves? Wouldn't that be more of a revenge worthy of him, instead of just "I gots to go kill Spider-Man because I'm angry"? The problem I had is that both villains were turned into crybabies, asking for things Spider-Man could not give them and then associating their anger with Spider-Man for the same reason you yell at your mother when she doesn't give you cookies. It turned Harry from this really well-done character into just "GRRRR I HATE YOU PETER PARKER" and it really wasted a much better opportunity.[/sp] [editline]2nd May 2014[/editline] This entire franchise could have gone much better if they decided to [sp]actually space things out, maybe have Harry show up in this movie but only transform in 3, have Harry's transformation and Gwen's death be its own thing, have Electro and another villain take over 2.[/sp] If I had control over things, Connors would have only turned into the Lizard in ASM3 or 4, and I would have turned him into a sort-of father figure for Peter, make his transformation much more resonant for the character.
i dont know what this movie was trying to do even though i watched the whole thing. i mean they tried to make the movie more comical but then when it get retarded edgy dark halfway through it kinda just kills the mood it built. then the ending was like [sp]"hey everythings comical again! look at this silly courageous kid try to stand up against rhino!"[/sp] i dont know what to feel about this movie. also, [sp]why the fuck was there a xmen clip in the credits. xmen and spiderman movie rights are owned by two seperate companies. they dont even attempt to connect the universes or anything so it was kinda pointless to show it in the first place[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;44701313][sp]But here's the problem with that idea. Harry Osborn is a sociopathic man-child, yes, but he doesn't strike me as the guy who would do it this little itty bitty revenge, especially when he already got what he wanted and when there's more immediate revenge to be had- with the executives. There is no emotional value to him finding out Peter's identity- also, kind of unbelievable he did NOTHING with that knowledge whilst on the institute. Wouldn't it make more sense for him to kill the execs, fly over the fight, see that Spidey won (and see Gwen, thus making the connection that Peter = Spidey if you really want him to do that), go back to plan the Sinister Six so then he can take his revenge not only on Peter but on everything he loves? Wouldn't that be more of a revenge worthy of him, instead of just "I gots to go kill Spider-Man because I'm angry"? The problem I had is that both villains were turned into crybabies, asking for things Spider-Man could not give them and then associating their anger with Spider-Man for the same reason you yell at your mother when she doesn't give you cookies. It turned Harry from this really well-done character into just "GRRRR I HATE YOU PETER PARKER" and it really wasted a much better opportunity.[/sp] [editline]2nd May 2014[/editline] This entire franchise could have gone much better if they decided to [sp]actually space things out, maybe have Harry show up in this movie but only transform in 3, have Harry's transformation and Gwen's death be its own thing, have Electro and another villain take over 2.[/sp] If I had control over things, Connors would have only turned into the Lizard in ASM3 or 4, and I would have turned him into a sort-of father figure for Peter, make his transformation much more resonant for the character.[/QUOTE] I can see your point then, I think. I'm still okay with how they did it in the movie personally and I had a great time with it, but going about it that way probably would certainly have added more to Harry's character. [sp] With how sick he was though and how unstable Max Dillon seemed as a person, I didn't find myself bugged that they reacted the way they did though to those petty things. But I guess that's more of a personal suspension of disbelief.[/sp] I think though now that they have Goblin all set up, we'll probably see more of him and his cleverness in the Sinister Six whenever it comes out. I also agree with you on Connors, I was kinda sad they used him off in the first movie cuz Connors' character is dependent on that shock of "Oh he was a great guy before that helped Peter a lot..."
i probably said this already but i think [sp]the goblin shouldn't have been in the movie. his only purpose is to kill gwen and set up future movies. electro could've totally killed gwen instead, and i think harry's transformation could've been the set up for the sinister six film, without the goblin actually appearing in the movie[/sp]
[QUOTE=Wii60;44701562] also, [sp]why the fuck was there a xmen clip in the credits. xmen and spiderman movie rights are owned by two seperate companies. they dont even attempt to connect the universes or anything so it was kinda pointless to show it in the first place[/sp][/QUOTE] Webb was under contract by Fox. Sony wanted him for Spider-Man. Fox agreed as long as they put a trailer for the latest X-Men movie at the end for free.
Here's my two cents on Harry in ASM2. [sp]Unlike the Harry from Raimi's movies this new one is more dark. His father Norman is clearly shown to be an evil guy (before he turns into whatever supervillain in this story) and he didn't take care of Harry too well. So there's no love between them. This upbringing and the fact kids sometimes inherit their parent's traits can support why Harry becomes evil. Then the "Make him bleed!" line. I believe Harry still wanted Spiderman's blood. When he takes the venom, he transforms, but he's actually in a really bad shape. He climbs into the Green Goblin suit which we are told enhances strength and has a HEALING system built into it. Without it he would probably die on the floor. I also like to think the venom had mental side effects like in the comics and he went even more crazy. In my opinion Harry would still want Spidey's blood but now he had his own means to make him pay. I was more disappointed by the end where Harry in the cell is more or less fine, although he mentions it's not 100% fine.[/sp]
[sp]the friendship between Harry and Peter was terrible. After so many years, they have a chat by the bridge, then suddenly become enemies. There's no real feel between them. Barely any relationship at all[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;44703857][sp]the friendship between Harry and Peter was terrible. After so many years, they have a chat by the bridge, then suddenly become enemies. There's no real feel between them. Barely any relationship at all[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]They don't even say where they know each other from.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Zuimzado;44701313][sp]But here's the problem with that idea. Harry Osborn is a sociopathic man-child, yes, but he doesn't strike me as the guy who would do it this little itty bitty revenge, especially when he already got what he wanted and when there's more immediate revenge to be had- with the executives. There is no emotional value to him finding out Peter's identity- also, kind of unbelievable he did NOTHING with that knowledge whilst on the institute. Wouldn't it make more sense for him to kill the execs, fly over the fight, see that Spidey won (and see Gwen, thus making the connection that Peter = Spidey if you really want him to do that), go back to plan the Sinister Six so then he can take his revenge not only on Peter but on everything he loves? Wouldn't that be more of a revenge worthy of him, instead of just "I gots to go kill Spider-Man because I'm angry"? The problem I had is that both villains were turned into crybabies, asking for things Spider-Man could not give them and then associating their anger with Spider-Man for the same reason you yell at your mother when she doesn't give you cookies. It turned Harry from this really well-done character into just "GRRRR I HATE YOU PETER PARKER" and it really wasted a much better opportunity.[/sp] [editline]2nd May 2014[/editline] This entire franchise could have gone much better if they decided to [sp]actually space things out, maybe have Harry show up in this movie but only transform in 3, have Harry's transformation and Gwen's death be its own thing, have Electro and another villain take over 2.[/sp] If I had control over things, Connors would have only turned into the Lizard in ASM3 or 4, and I would have turned him into a sort-of father figure for Peter, make his transformation much more resonant for the character.[/QUOTE] Introduce Connors and he immediately becomes Lizard. Introduce Osbourne and he immediately becomes Goblin. And you can tell that when they introduce Brock he will immediately become Venom. Sinister 6 won't work like Avengers did because most the cast will have just been invented as of that moment. That said I really enjoyed ASM2. The only downside is Electro is sort of exposed as the C-list villain he is. Even Lizard is a jump above Electro as he has a far superior story and potential than firing dubstep around. No matter how good Jamie Foxx did, Goblin completely blows him out of the water before he even floats on screen. That laugh. The music. Harry's violent transformation after his screen time and incredibly likeable portrayal. The anticipation is off the chart. [editline]2nd May 2014[/editline] Goblin should've been in this movie. But it should never have been advertised or referenced in ANY promo. Total surprise.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;44704327]That said I really enjoyed ASM2. The only downside is Electro is sort of exposed as the C-list villain he is. Even Lizard is a jump above Electro as he has a far superior story and potential than firing dubstep around. No matter how good Jamie Foxx did, Goblin completely blows him out of the water before he even floats on screen. That laugh. The music. Harry's violent transformation after his screen time and incredibly likeable portrayal. The anticipation is off the chart.[/QUOTE] i disagree, jamie foxx's character was more fleshed out and was handled really well, while harry was just yet another spoiled [sp](but crazy and mutated)[/sp] brat with a [sp]revenge plot[/sp]
This discussion got me thinking as to how I would have done things if I had control over the quadrilogy, and I ended up sketching some kind of plan on the bus. I'll post it here later, see what you guys think.
wish they fleshed Electro out more, [sp]like the first minutes when he was in Times Square and we could hear his thoughts and shit I wish it would have continued and made him into a twisted shit instead of going "AAARGH SPIDERMAAAAN", enjoyed the shit out of it thought thanks to him, the music when he jumped from coil to coil had me really going, was in cold sweat after that[/sp] good movie
[sp]I knew Gwen was gonna bite it but jesus christ that impact kind of surprised me.[/sp]
Okay, so here's what I would have done if I could do a Spider-Man quadrilogy, starting with The Amazing Spider-Man 1. [quote] The first movie begins much like TASM1. Peter's parents leave him with his uncle and aunt, cut forward to years later, he gets taunted by Flash Thompson and meets Gwen Stacy. At home, he finds his father's papers. No decay algorithm or stuff here, he just finds papers about how his father worked at Oscorp with Dr. Curt Connors. Thinking this might be a way for him to find out more about his parents, he goes to Oscorp, where Gwen is there because she's one of the interns. The two talk and he asks her help to distract the guards so he can meet Connors. They cause a maintenance trouble, and Peter goes off. When he meets Connors, Peter introduces himself as Richard's son, and asks if they can meet up later. Meanwhile, due to the maintenance mishap, we see a spider escaping from a secret room. He travels through the ducts, and we cut to the people taking care of the maintenance trouble caused by Gwen and Peter. One of them is Quentin Beck, a disgruntled Oscorp employee who is a dick to everyone and feels they don't recognize his genius because they're envious of him. Travelling after the problem and tracking the spider with his computer, he is unable to stop it when it sneaks into the lobby, up Peter's clothes and bites him in the neck before dying off. Quentin berates Peter for standing in his way, not seeing his spider bite, and wonders where did the spider come from, since it was in the Oscorp building and Oscorp doesn't work with spiders. Back at home, Peter starts feeling weird things and spider-senses coming on. The whole thing with the basketball happens, and Uncle Ben tells him to meet Aunt May later. He later goes to meet with Connors to talk about his father's research, and the two bond, with Connors telling stories about him and Peter's father as young, foolish scientists. He doesn't know what led to Richard's disappearance and death, and he eventually takes him into his lab, where he sees that he's being pressed to find a cure for Norman Osborn. Peter tries to help him with the cure, offering a few alternatives, but none of them work. During this time, Peter gets messages from Uncle Ben, but chooses to ignore him. We cut back to Quentin, who found a way into a secret area of Oscorp known as Special Projects. By using his scientific knowledge, he hacks the system, and starts downloading blueprints and files about the machinery located in the area. Peter goes back home and the same scene with him yelling at Ben, going to the shop, and then watching Ben die happens. We are treated to the same montage of Peter perfecting his costume and going after the killer, except we also get scenes of Quentin trying out his latest inventions- illusions and tricks he uses to rob stores and other small places, and we see Peter avoiding one of these situations to go after a suspect who might have been the killer. The dinner with the Staceys insues, and Peter reveals his identity to Gwen. The two kiss. Their kiss is interrupted when mass chaos comes from downtown. Peter goes after it to see what's going on, and we find that something is robbing the bank. Spider-Man foils the robbery, but no one knows who was behind it, so Captain Stacey is led to believe that it was Spider-Man who did it. He escapes the mess and we see Quentin was the one behind it. He returns to his base, frothing at the mouth. Just when he was this close to being recognized by the world, someone one-upped him. Well, he's going to do a better job. If the world wanted masks, he's going to give them masks. Peter goes to talk with Connors, asking him for advice, and Connors ask how is Aunt May. He tells him that he should care for her aunt, and Peter invites her for tea. Aunt May thinks he is trying to have her move on from Ben, and Peter admits that a part of him wanted that, as Connors is turning into the father he never had. Aunt May talks to him, and before he leaves, Connors does the same. He gives Peter a variation of the 'great powers' speech, thanks Aunt May for the tea and leaves. At school, whilst trying to talk to Gwen, Peter notices something is going on, as the corridors are filled with fog and Quentin, now calling himself Mysterio (with the Ultimate Marvel look), invades the school. With his genius, Quentin managed to narrow down Spider-Man's secret identity by using things like his height, weight, materials, voice, accent, smell, footsteps, things he got from his foiled bank robbery. He subjects school students and teachers to illusions and tricks, torturing them until he gives them Spider-Man. Lo and behold, Webhead appears and a fight ensues. Mysterio manages to escape, now with even more information. He is conocting a master plan, the greatest trick of all time. He will not only rob three of New York's biggest banks, but he will also explode the Oscorp building, and all on live television. Spider-Man tries to go help him, but he's cornered by Captain Stacy, who then finds out he's Peter. He pleads for Cap. Stacy to help him, and he gives in after he realizes his daughter is in Oscorp. Inside, Gwen helps the employees fight back against Mysterio's creation, as he hacks into the building once more and pits it against them. Meanwhile, Spider-Man tracks down Mysterio to the top of the Oscorp building, and the two duke it out with the help of Capt. Stacy and the police. Mysterio is defeated as Spider-Man and the New Yorkers truly unite for the first time, and as he is taken by the police, the people chant his name and cheer for him. Capt. Stacy walks up to him, and Peter, believing that he's going to get his identity revealed, actually gets a handshake, as Capt. Stacy sees what someone like Spider-Man can mean to the people. The movie ends with Spider-Man patrolling the city and hearing on the police reports of an attack by a man who's apparently made out of water. A scene after the credits show Quentin in prison, and an Oscorp representative approaches him. He says that Osborn was excited and surprised by what he could do, and that he would very much enjoy meeting him, but it's never explicitly said that it's Norman who requested the meeting.[/quote] What do you guys think? It was really fun writing this.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. There were only two minor things I didn't like: [sp]A. How they dropped the idea of Peter seeing Captain Stacy's ghost after two scenes and B. How the whole conspiracy to get rid of the Parkers was kind of slapped in there.[/sp] Oh, and did I miss something, or was [sp]the scene where Harry tells Peter that Oscorp had him under surveillance not in the movie at all? Same goes for the rotating sphere that people thought was Venom.[/sp]
What I hoped for: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/B3dY61M.png[/IMG] I was disappointed. EDIT: Ignore the Entertainment thing, I found the movie extremely entertaining.
[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;44708985]I thoroughly enjoyed it. There were only two minor things I didn't like: [sp]A. How they dropped the idea of Peter seeing Captain Stacy's ghost after two scenes and B. How the whole conspiracy to get rid of the Parkers was kind of slapped in there.[/sp] Oh, and did I miss something, or was [sp]the scene where Harry tells Peter that Oscorp had him under surveillance not in the movie at all? Same goes for the rotating sphere that people thought was Venom.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Pretty sure there was alot of cut content, and that SUV with surveillance equipment was probably part of the whole 'Harry watching peter' story, and maybe they just somehow left it in the movie?[/sp]
I thought this was a solid super hero film with a lot of style. I liked how it had plenty of action, but that wasn't all it was. It had some good character development moments. I also liked the soundtrack even if they did too much dub step. [sp]I was glad Gwen Stacy died. Not because I hate her character, but because that's what happened in the comics. I feel sad because she was just a young woman with a bright future and wanted nothing more than to do good. BTW, when I do get around to reading the Death of Gwen Stacy storyline, will it be emotionally devoid since I already know about it and saw it in the movies. I'm concerned about this because I want it to be emotionally satisfying.[/sp]
this was pretty terrible imo and was so fucking boring half of the time. [sp] it's like why are all these things matter again? Who gives a shit your father's a scientist??? Because we resolved that problem which I didn't think was a big deal. yeah it gave closure for peter but I didn't really feel invested in his whole search for that shit and made me feel bored half of the time. I think that is my biggest beef with the new movies is because it took out the "ordinary dorky kid getting bit by a spider" persona Spider-Man had. It made it feel like anyone, and even you, the viewer, could be Spider-Man but this is the shit you had to deal with. It was what the original SPider-Man 2 showed you. but in this one, to be Spider-Man your dad had to be some scientist dude for that shit to happen. [/sp] [sp] also, who gives a shit about those planes??? literally you could have focused on any other major crime happening in the city and it would have been resolved by the same thing, the power turning on. Good ol spidey just webbed that plane from crashing. that just irked me. [/sp] these new spidey movies are all style, no substance. Just like my reaction to the first film.
Wait, wait. I might remember the whole plane scene wrong. Here's what I think I saw in the movie. [sp]Electro shuts off the power to the entire city. That itself could only cause panic but because the airport can't navigate planes we now have two planes about to crash into each other, killing hundreds of people. Spidey doesn't know that but we as a viewer are supposed to be hoping Spiderman can stop Electro in time. He does and the planes miss each other. What's this all about Spiderman actually taking part in the saving of the planes?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;44710366][sp]Pretty sure there was alot of cut content, and that SUV with surveillance equipment was probably part of the whole 'Harry watching peter' story, and maybe they just somehow left it in the movie?[/sp][/QUOTE] Oh my god, I didn't realize that scene had no point in the current movie other than [sp]'make sure nobody knows about Electro', and then it cuts to him escaping a facility not being watched over by anyone.[/sp]
Just got back from it, I liked it up till the final scene [sp]Gwyn really had NO reason to die or even be there, it happened so randomly and they glossed over her death so fast that it had absolutely no impact on me and just felt like it was there to be shocking. (no pun intended). Really soured it all for me, I can forgive a LOT because it's a comic book movie but that was just dumb.[/sp]
I had the opposite reaction. I felt it was a perfect way to show exactly how serious the shit he gets into really is.
[sp]Gwyn, I'm about to go fight a man made of electricity. He is a super human monstrosity that wants to kill and destroy people. I am a super hero and [i]I[/i] might have trouble. This is clearly out of your league. So of course she drives a car into him and forces herself into a situation that she really, really doesn't belong in and that she really adds nothing to other then her flipping a switch[/sp]
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guen [editline]4th May 2014[/editline] guen stayssee
[sp]GEE I WONDER WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN TO GWEN WITH ALL OF THIS FORESHADOWING about death and her father's ghost appearing to peter when convenient! omgggggggggg i was literally SHOCKED by that ending!@[/sp]
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