[QUOTE=Gordy H.;38798646]I don't get it, what's wrong with having separated bathrooms? I may have missed something here, but all I see are posts explaining that unisex bathrooms wouldn't be 'so bad' or that they just take some getting used to. What's the actual point of switching to unisex bathrooms, though?[/QUOTE]
I feel like this thing got started because the thread talking about a transgendered man showing his penis in a woman's locker room or something. And that everybody seems to think "If she really feels like a woman but has a dick, let her use the woman's bathroom!" Even if it totally looks like a man.
I'm all for just a penises in there, vaginas in there. rule.
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;38798495]Anybody ever notice how fucking long it takes women to use the bathroom compared to men?
It's nice typically not having to wait to use the urinal. However, women have to go through the whole stall ordeal. On top of that, stalls are fucking gross. Guys piss all over the toilet and crap in the mens. They wont even lift the seat. Women will have to prepare their seat way more often if there are men pissing all over the seat they'd normally use.[/QUOTE]
That's more of a matter of bad janitors not doing their job, I would think. I've been in plenty of clean men's rooms as much as filthy ones.
It's a matter of the janitor cleaning it in a timely matter, not whether men are pigs or not.
Unisex bathrooms work in nightclubs.
Outside of that, I prefer being able to do a 'reem flex' in the mirror or check my parting alignment without feeling like a douche as some girl is standing at the sink next to me.
Personally I've never seen a unisex bathroom in the wild, apart from the aforementioned nightclub scenario where the urinals are at the far end and behind a wall separating them from the stalls and sinks.
How is it the janitors fault that some asshole has just pissed all over the seat?, Yes it's his job to clean up but people shouldn't be missing the goddamn toilet.[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38798966]That's more of a matter of bad janitors not doing their job, I would think. I've been in plenty of clean men's rooms as much as filthy ones.
It's a matter of the janitor cleaning it in a timely matter, not whether men are pigs or not.[/QUOTE]
I remember going to a public restroom and the toilet was clean, the rest of the place was covered in piss.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;38799226]Unisex bathrooms work in nightclubs.
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Really? Any nightclub I've been too, people are making out to the point where they are almost having sex right on the dance floor, I can't imagine allowing them all into a single washroom.
I think men and women are too sexual to be able to share washrooms. It seems to be align with the whole "Can women and men be [I]just friends[/I]" debate. There would eventually be cases where men cannot keep their hands of women, or vise versa. I know one guy in particular that almost sexually harasses women, I can't even imagine if he was allowed in the same washroom as them. In saying that, not every guy or girl would be uncontrollable, but it would be a select few who would make it unacceptable for all of us.
Also on the note of washroom cleanliness. I used to do the washroom cleaning/maintenance at my work. I didn't find the mens room to be any dirtier than the womens except for the mens toilet was plugged more often. But I found the mens room often smelt like piss while the womens smelled like shit equally as often so it balances out.
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As for the actual Gender/Sex based bathrooms, I think it is impossible to determine someone's gender. How would we determine who could use which washroom? People could use either washroom based on what gender they thought they were? We would inevitably have cases where people fake their gender just to get into the opposite sex's washroom.
I don't think men or women would prefer it this way. Loads of women always go in group and gossip and bitch about stuff and it's like some full on social activity, whereas men treat it like a mission where you have to get the fuck in, expel your urine, and get the fuck out asap.
I really don't see any reason for it to change; the distinction might be slightly arbitrary, but it's the most useful distinction that can be made.
As for transgender... I don't really have any opinion on that. On the one hand I think they should piss in the bathroom they think they belong in, but on the other hand, I really don't give a shit because [I]it's a toilet[/I] and it's totally retarded that anyone should view it as a social barrier in the first place.
[QUOTE=Mrs. Moon;38798864]I feel like this thing got started because the thread talking about a transgendered man showing his penis in a woman's locker room or something. And that everybody seems to think "If she really feels like a woman but has a dick, let her use the woman's bathroom!" Even if it totally looks like a man.
I'm all for just a penises in there, vaginas in there. rule.[/QUOTE]
"even though [B]IT[/B] really looks like a man"
At least be respectful.
I don't think I could support unisex bathrooms everywhere as the only bathroom. Just seems dangerous. Theres no reason to not have a unisex or disabled bathroom as a third option next to the 2 separated though.
As for what the original thread was about, they should be separated by gender and not sex. It's been obviously shown through beatings and rapes it's way too dangerous to have it any other way.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;38800957]"even though [B]IT[/B] really looks like a man"
At least be respectful.
I don't think I could support unisex bathrooms everywhere as the only bathroom. Just seems dangerous. Theres no reason to not have a unisex or disabled bathroom as a third option next to the 2 separated though.
As for what the original thread was about, they should be separated by gender and not sex. It's been obviously shown through beatings and rapes it's way too dangerous to have it any other way.[/QUOTE]
Can you start citing some sources when you present things as fact? I'm pretty sure we're both in support of the same thing but that's really starting to bug me.
[QUOTE=Skelmech;38800957]"even though [B]IT[/B] really looks like a man"
At least be respectful.
I don't think I could support unisex bathrooms everywhere as the only bathroom. Just seems dangerous. Theres no reason to not have a unisex or disabled bathroom as a third option next to the 2 separated though.
As for what the original thread was about, they should be separated by gender and not sex. It's been obviously shown through beatings and rapes it's way too dangerous to have it any other way.[/QUOTE]
i dont think a differing toilet sign is enough to prevent a rape. the first thing you think of when you see a male rapist in a women's toilet is not "OH GOD THEY'RE IN THE WRONG TOILET!"
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;38786025]I feel it's more for privacy, and also to keep an influx of certain people into certain bathrooms.
In my own experience, men's restrooms tend to be the dirtiest, and when I have stumbled into women's restrooms on accident, they tend to be cleaner. family restrooms (restrooms specialized for both genders) tend to be in between two mediums. I for one support separation of bathrooms, as I don't want women to hear the ferocious roar of me shitting.[/QUOTE]
Disagree, some of the dirties bathroom I've been in where women's bathroom. Men don't spend a lot of time in a bathroom usually and thus don't have the time to make it as dirty. Plus we don't get periods, and I've seen a disgusting amount of used tampons in women's bathrooms.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;38801143]Can you start citing some sources when you present things as fact? I'm pretty sure we're both in support of the same thing but that's really starting to bug me.[/QUOTE]
I would love to but I'm on a phone and don't have a lot of ability to do things. I had seen a really good PDF about it a few months back but I can't view them until I get Internet in my house :/
[URL="http://m.glaad.org/blog/violence-against-transgender-people-and-people-color-disproportionately-high-lgbtqh-murder-rate"]This was the best I could find.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Skelmech;38801985]I would love to but I'm on a phone and don't have a lot of ability to do things. I had seen a really good PDF about it a few months back but I can't view them until I get Internet in my house :/
[URL="http://m.glaad.org/blog/violence-against-transgender-people-and-people-color-disproportionately-high-lgbtqh-murder-rate"]This was the best I could find.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm not really surprised that transgendered people show a huge spike as victims of hate crimes.
It doesn't mention any facts to suggest that sex-divided bathrooms increase beatings and rapes against transgendered people as you said though.
The thread was about changing rooms where you would be takig all your clothes off with other people and getting changed, not toilets.
The obvious thing for bathrooms is just have stalls. There's really no argument fundamentals to have here.
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[QUOTE=Skelmech;38801985]I would love to but I'm on a phone and don't have a lot of ability to do things. I had seen a really good PDF about it a few months back but I can't view them until I get Internet in my house :/
[URL="http://m.glaad.org/blog/violence-against-transgender-people-and-people-color-disproportionately-high-lgbtqh-murder-rate"]This was the best I could find.[/URL][/QUOTE]
Nothing to do with bathrooms and therefore not useful to the thread.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;38802058]Yeah I'm not really surprised that transgendered people show a huge spike as victims of hate crimes.
It doesn't mention any facts to suggest that sex-divided bathrooms increase beatings and rapes against transgendered people as you said though.[/QUOTE]
I know. Like I said its all I can get right now. Sorry.
If the thread is about whether it's right or not to separate rest rooms at the expense of transgender people, why does possible cleanliness, which is different in each case and up to whether janitors manage it well or not, even really matter?
I have no particular preference; I just need to go to the loo.
I have no problem with somewhere providing unisex bathrooms and I can see that it might save space and money on building/maintaining them.
Seriously guys, you can call it an embodiment of the general sexism that runs through society, but I just want to poo.
Separation seems the safer choice. Many would find unisex bathrooms uncomfortable to the point they'd rather hold it in.
The problem in that SH thread was that people are so sensitive when something like that happens. Human body seems to be such a taboo for some and throwing such a fit about it is just silly.
I try to look this from other viewpoints than mine. I'm bi, been to saunas since birth (unisex and separated) and could care less about what people have or dont have hanging on their crotch. I'm just going to do my business and that's that.
[QUOTE=Fortesqueh;38804708]Separation seems the safer choice. Many would find unisex bathrooms uncomfortable to the point they'd rather hold it in.
The problem in that SH thread was that people are so sensitive when something like that happens. Human body seems to be such a taboo for some and throwing such a fit about it is just silly.
I try to look this from other viewpoints than mine. I'm bi, been to saunas since birth (unisex and separated) and could care less about what people have or dont have hanging on their crotch. I'm just going to do my business and that's that.[/QUOTE]
I don't think many people would care for long.
At least by the first generation of people in a world with only unisex bathrooms.
Why would you want to hear/see someone else doing their business to begin with? It's fucking weird.
There's no "psychological" or "biological" oppression going on here, nor is there some sexist desire to keep sexual urges down. It's privacy. It's why we all don't just go shit in waste dumps or into the ocean where it all ends up anyway. We use water, electrical costs, building costs, building space, and janitorial costs because we want sanitation and privacy. I'm pretty happy with privacy, and if the current system of bathrooms works, why change it?
Do you think same-sex bathrooms are just a room with a large pit in the middle?
They are basically urinals and cubicles; there's no difference between them and a regular mens' toilet.
I agree, I like my privacy when I dump, but I don't care who's in the next stall over, and I doubt many women would be using the urinals.
This is just a speculation, but I would think that women would be against having unisex bathrooms much more than men would. In the US anyway, women use the restroom as a sort of private place to talk away form the men. Many women's restrooms even have chairs and/or couches.
[QUOTE=Proffrink;38848586]Do you think same-sex bathrooms are just a room with a large pit in the middle?
They are basically urinals and cubicles; there's no difference between them and a regular mens' toilet.
I agree, I like my privacy when I dump, but I don't care who's in the next stall over, and I doubt many women would be using the urinals.[/QUOTE]
I've not heard a good argument against the current system though which has worked for a long time. It was never intended for sexism, just privacy, and I don't see why it needs changed. Segregated bathrooms and stuff were done for wrong reasons and got revoked. Not these.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;38850085]I've not heard a good argument against the current system though which has worked for a long time. It was never intended for sexism, just privacy, and I don't see why it needs changed. Segregated bathrooms and stuff were done for wrong reasons and got revoked. Not these.[/QUOTE]
Then you should read what I said previously.
I have no preference either way - but I don't feel there's any sort of problem with either. It's at the discretion of the owner.
I really see no reason why this should be an issue. It's not like people are all up in arms about not being able to use the same bathrooms as people of the opposite sex. You don't see that subject brought up during rallies for sex/gender equality. If anything, unisex bathrooms would probably cause a huge uproar amongst feminists and women in general, taking it as another attempt by men to oppress them by being allowed in the same bathrooms as they are, or some similar argument.
erm... since using the toilet is a biological function... id say its safe to seperate bathrooms by biological proceses, so while i respect your right to believe you are a woman, if you have male biology, please do the rest of the world a favor by using the mens room
I've used multigender bathrooms before, and I've used male bathrooms while women attendants are cleaning the male facilities. In both circumstances it's not as awkward as one might think, though I can certainly imagine that the majority of any given populace would have difficulty adjusting the the change.
This thread is seething full of politically correct dogma. Next, it's gonna be that chivalry is disrespectful and demeans women as some form of subtle courtship and sexism. Shit, why don't we just ban gender and get it over with.
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I'm transgender (female to male) and I sometimes pass (for a male), and sometimes don't according to how I'm dressed. I use both female and male bathrooms, but I'm careful when I go into the female rooms as they tend to freak out when they see someone they perceive as male inside, so I cough or make it clear I have a female voice. I think most women would probably oppose same sex public restrooms because they feel like it's a safe space for them and it's even a place for socialising with other women.
I for one am all for same sex toilets or gender based toilets. I use the handicap toilet whenever I can (if it's unisex) just so I don't have to make that decision daily. When I have to, I'm more comfortable using the male room, just do my business and leave.
I even went into a public restroom once in Japan and I couldn't read the sign for female so I just went in, one woman who saw me enter the restroom called security on me. It was all very awkward :v:
I THINK IT'S DISGRACEFUL THAT MEN AND WOMEN ARE SEPERATED FOR PUBLIC RESTROOMS. WE SHOULD ALL SHARE TOILETS TO INCREASE OUR MONEY.
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