Gender/Sex Based Bathrooms - General

[QUOTE=Pudding~;39226441][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/CVDPb.jpg[/IMG] To be honest and as somebody of which this is an issue quite close and dear to me, I think that bathrooms should be separated into lady-picture and boy-picture, and whichever gender you're presenting as at that moment, that's the bathroom you ought to use. Physical sex should have nothing to do with it. I'm also hugely against gender-neutral bathrooms, too, to be fair. I think they just flag anybody who uses them as being somewhere on the GID scale and that isn't helpful >.<[/QUOTE] Then you're going to have straight pervy men going in to female bathrooms to sneak a peek, then claiming they are truly a woman on the inside when they aren't. Changing something like this as late as we are in our society wouldn't work out very well, and would cause people to bitch and moan until it got reverted. Overall it would have been better to remove gender separation and over-sexualization of both the female and male body, but now it's too late. We've made our bed and now we have to sleep in it, or force many people in to bad situations in the present so those in the future might have a slightly more comfortable life.

[QUOTE=Nick Nack;39323958]Then you're going to have straight pervy men going in to female bathrooms to sneak a peek, then claiming they are truly a woman on the inside when they aren't. Changing something like this as late as we are in our society wouldn't work out very well, and would cause people to bitch and moan until it got reverted.[/QUOTE] It's not like there's exactly a rule book on this sort of thing, guys can do that anyway if they really want to.

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;39323718]You seem upset[/QUOTE] Nope not at all :smile: :smile: Just knocking out the possibility of any ambiguity. [editline]23rd January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SABS001;39323250]When I was six my mom had to make me shit in the female's bathroom to wipe my ass. True story.[/QUOTE] Then it was fine because you were "innocent" and were not going to cause trouble if you catch my drift. I must admit though when my mom took me to the women's bathroom I was shy but the look on the faces of the other ladies...Priceless :wink:

[QUOTE=Nick Nack;39323958]Then you're going to have straight pervy men going in to female bathrooms to sneak a peek, then claiming they are truly a woman on the inside when they aren't. Changing something like this as late as we are in our society wouldn't work out very well, and would cause people to bitch and moan until it got reverted. Overall it would have been better to remove gender separation and over-sexualization of both the female and male body, but now it's too late. We've made our bed and now we have to sleep in it, or force many people in to bad situations in the present so those in the future might have a slightly more comfortable life.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know there's never been a recorded instance of that happening. Despite transgender people using the bathroom of their preferred gender for years now.

[QUOTE=Skelmech;39328628]Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know there's never been a recorded instance of that happening. [B]Despite transgender people using the bathroom of their preferred gender for years now.[/B][/QUOTE] So what's the issue? A case here and there does not necessitate a complete restructuring of our bathroom system, especially for the needs of a population that [url=http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-How-Many-People-LGBT-Apr-2011.pdf]only constitutes around .3% of the US population.[/url]

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;39328897]So what's the issue? A case here and there does not necessitate a complete restructuring of our bathroom system, especially for the needs of a population that [url=http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-How-Many-People-LGBT-Apr-2011.pdf]only constitutes around .3% of the US population.[/url][/QUOTE] The problem becomes that most transpeople haev to do it in a "stealth" manner because of violence they may expect in said bathrooms.

[QUOTE=Skelmech;39329801]The problem becomes that most transpeople haev to do it in a "stealth" manner because of violence they may expect in said bathrooms.[/QUOTE] How would we resolve it without rebuilding all the bathrooms? Bear in mind that 0.3% covers all transgenders too (the percentage of people within that group who genuinely identify as someone else and feel a deep seated need to go to one bathroom or the other is tiny).

i haven't read all the replies, so i have yet to form a full opinion but it seems that many people are overlooking a very simple factor in this whole ordeal. if in fact the elimination of gender within "bathroom" territory occurred (which i think it will by default in the future), it would not be instantaneous; no major social, political, or physical changes happen like that. i think the general awkwardness knot would have time to untie itself as we incorporated it. you'd see things popping up in the news like, "so-and-so country proposes we eliminate separation of gender in bathrooms". debates would spring up from that, people would consider the idea, and judging from how integral gender roles are in our society right now many people would be supportive of the decision.

Based on what kind of things I've seen, bathrooms DO need to be separated. It gives you a sense of privacy. Admins, please remove this post if you feel needed, but some people are embarrassed about the size of their penis. If bathrooms would be non-seperated, this leaves the possibility of people making fun of you for that reason. Especially if you are in school. The entire school could get word that you have a small penis, and then that leads to stress and other bad things. Also, I must cover the issue of bathroom intercourse. If bathrooms were non-seperated, you are giving people the right to have sex publicly in the bathroom, which you aren't allowed to do anyway. I think it's a bad idea, and many things could be avoided by keeping bathrooms separated. Once again, to admins, I apologize for my use of partially explicit words, remove this post if needed.

[QUOTE=Squerl101;39531661]Based on what kind of things I've seen, bathrooms DO need to be separated. It gives you a sense of privacy. Admins, please remove this post if you feel needed, but some people are embarrassed about the size of their penis. If bathrooms would be non-seperated, this leaves the possibility of people making fun of you for that reason. Especially if you are in school. The entire school could get word that you have a small penis, and then that leads to stress and other bad things. Also, I must cover the issue of bathroom intercourse. If bathrooms were non-seperated, you are giving people the right to have sex publicly in the bathroom, which you aren't allowed to do anyway. I think it's a bad idea, and many things could be avoided by keeping bathrooms separated. Once again, to admins, I apologize for my use of partially explicit words, remove this post if needed.[/QUOTE]Saying penis isn't inappropriate in this context. I'm not sure what that first part has to do with the conversation at hand though. Gender separated rest rooms would not prevent that at all. You don't need a female to start a rumor that you have a small penis.

Why not instead of being separated by gender, just have a bathroom with stalls, and a bathroom with urinals. It would be unisex, and thus allowing transgenders to go in there without being beaten the shit out of.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39336288]How would we resolve it without rebuilding all the bathrooms?[/QUOTE] by taking the signs down it's segregation plain and simple, it's not necessary, doesn't even have to be in the context of transgendered people. there are no benefits to separating people.

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;39536310]by taking the signs down it's segregation plain and simple, it's not necessary, doesn't even have to be in the context of transgendered people. there are no benefits to separating people.[/QUOTE] There isn't really a benefit to taking down the signs either. It just means movie theaters will have two slightly shorter lines out the door instead of one massive one, and one bathroom has urinals.

It would be nice to think we're all mature enough to not need separate bathrooms. I've been to bars with unisex bathrooms before, and surprisingly the presence of the opposite sex seemed to make people behave themselves. The men keep the farting and peeing on seats to a minimum and the women aren't able to spend the duration of their bathroom visit talking about their friends behind their backs because literally any of them could come in (not sexism). I'm not saying it's perfect, but having a girl hear your deuce hit the water is hardly going to destroy society. And Squerl? People aren't trying to look at your penis, and if you're planning on some bathroom intercourse (my new favourite band name) you need to do more than be in the same room with someone. Also, does labelling your statements as not being sexist mean you can get away with sexism? I hope so.

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;39536310] it's segregation plain and simple, it's not necessary, doesn't even have to be in the context of transgendered people. there are no benefits to separating people.[/QUOTE] except subjective benefits, which are always going to be used to justify things.

They should be separated, many men are awkward around women and it would just make it more awkward for everyone, keep it the way it is.

[QUOTE=Brunchies;39565828]They should be separated, many men are awkward around women and it would just make it more awkward for everyone, keep it the way it is.[/QUOTE] you think they would never improve?

We need to use a metric that makes bathroom segregation simple, I think height is a clear winner, unlike race and sex its an easily measurable attribute and more importantly it has serious implications on how the bathroom is used.

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;39536310]by taking the signs down it's segregation plain and simple, it's not necessary, doesn't even have to be in the context of transgendered people. there are no benefits to separating people.[/QUOTE] But half of all the bathrooms will possess urinals that are of no use to women, and those bathrooms will still be assumed to be for men.

Honestly it doesn't really matter what restroom you use. If you're an adult about it, nobody's gonna make a big deal out of it.

Whatever happened to "If it isn't broken, don't fix it"? If the transgender population really is a mere .3% of the recorded population of, for instance, the US population, is it really necessary to change all of the bathrooms for that tiny number? [editline]12th February 2013[/editline] That, plus I'd love to hear what a group of women think about this topic.