AUGMENT THIS - Deus Ex: Mankind Divided's Pre-order Plans Are Horrible (Jim Sterling) - General

[QUOTE=MR-X;48583846]It's called marketing, you can buy it or don't. It isn't that big of a deal.[/QUOTE] This isn't what crowd funding is meant to be about the point of crowd funding in the first place was it was meant to avoid corporate funding rather than aid it.

[QUOTE=woolio1;48584053]Ladies and gentlemen, repeat after me. WE DO NOT. PREORDER. GAMES. Seriously. You want to know how the publishing companies got like this? They realized people would just throw money at them before they even knew what they were buying. You want to fix this? Don't preorder games. Any games. Ever. Wait til they launch, then buy it if you want. Stop giving them money blindly, and they won't have the leverage for this kind of garbage.[/QUOTE] well Steam is okay now I guess because if it is crap you can return but it's still best not to pre-order everthing ( hence I didn't with PP or Mad Max )

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;48584195]It's people like you that triple a publishers love to make it seem their tactics are normal and accepted. I better see never a post of you complaining about these kind of marketing tactics because you know better. But yeah, like the guy above says, I'm out too, it's worthless talking to people like you.[/QUOTE] There are always people in any given argument or problem that will be going "God, stop complaining, it would just be so much easier if we all stopped thinking and did whatever they wanted"

[QUOTE=MR-X;48584100]no. no. no. everything has to be an argument, everything has to be some form of protest. I CAN'T POSSIBLY HANDLE THE THOUGHT OF PEOPLE DOING THINGS I DON'T AGREE WITH.[/QUOTE] Are you being serious right now? Like, are you actually trying to say that we can't not agree with something ON A FOURM? [editline]31st August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=zerosix;48584169]who are these imaginary people that are complaining about their pre orders? what, someone tweets, or starts a thread or whatever about the game and complains? [B]that still isn't your problem.[/B] close the thread, scroll past the tweet and be happy in your decision to not pre order the game[/QUOTE] And you aren't even worth taking seriously when your only retort is to say "not your problem" and ignore everything else.

[QUOTE=echo78;48583660]Valve did it too, kinda, with the potatosack[/QUOTE] I was expecting people to say that valve did it with the compendium, but that went for the prize pool but yea [editline]31st August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MR-X;48583846]It's called marketing, you can buy it or don't. It isn't that big of a deal.[/QUOTE] That's some seriously shitty marketing then. Essentially "the more its preordered, the more crap we give you", because preordering is such a good thing to do, right? Up there on Capcom levels, which means "either this game sells millions and millions and millions of copies, or its considered a flop and there will be no sequel".

[QUOTE=Source;48584273]This isn't what crowd funding is meant to be about the point of crowd funding in the first place was it was meant to avoid corporate funding rather than aid it.[/QUOTE] It isn't crowd funding nor did they ever say it was lol. It is literally - Pre-order, get a bonus, the more people that pre-order the more bonuses that are unlocked and you can pick which one you want from each tier. As for the last we'll release it 4 days earlier is kinda bullshit but it is the same as pre-ordering a mmo and getting early start bonus. Payday devs did the same shit with their hype fuel or w/e it was called but you have to buy DLC to generate the fuel. No one cared when they did it. I honestly don't get why people are looking more into it then it needs to be. You don't pay more for the higher tiers, it just means you get to pick items that you preorder instead of being stuck with the typical bonus from certain retailers. People are just making a bigger deal then it needs to be. Pre-order the game, don't pre-order the game it makes no difference. The game will come out, people will buy it and people will enjoy it. The idea of boycotting devs or a company over this is stupid. It is the publisher that likely came up with it. Even then more people are talking about this game then ever so i guess their marketing tactic worked right.

[QUOTE=MR-X;48585203] Payday devs did the same shit with their hype fuel or w/e it was called but you have to buy DLC to generate the fuel. No one cared when they did it.[/QUOTE] Actually, that's bullshit. The entire fanbase fucking exploded and constantly was talking insane amounts of shit on Overkill. People are still shitting on Overkill both for the Hype Train and for the shitty content released during it like the SWAT Vans, while Overkill desperately pretended it wasn't happening and shuffling the event along like embarrassed developers always do (because acknowledging mistakes is for mature people). People were also, and still are, massively critical of the Completely Overkill Pack from that event and are frequently bitching Overkill out for still not delivering content promised during the last Crimefest, the Hype Train event, and the secret item that came with the Completely Overkill Pack that has yet to be released, and when it does, now that it's '25 items' and players are arbitrarily being given just a random one of them, people are going to get fucking pissed when a ton of them inevitably didn't get the one they wanted or didn't get all the items which they fuckin' deserve for the amount of money they shilled out for the pack. People are growing increasingly cynical and critical of Overkill's DLC and event practices and they have been for a long time now, and if you tune in to the PD2 Facepunch megathread, it's pretty much been nonstop shitting on Overkill for [I]several[/I] pages.

[QUOTE=zerosix;48583869]"most of the content"? it looked like a couple of outfits could you explain to me what the point is then? if someone wants to preorder a game it has nothing to do with you and literally doesn't affect you in any way[/QUOTE] When people buy into this shit they're voting with their dollar and telling game companies that it's okay to do this. It does affect me.

[QUOTE=MR-X;48583846]you can buy it or don't[/QUOTE] oh yeah I can "not buy" it alright

[QUOTE=MR-X;48583880]This isn't the first time a game has done this. People are acting like this shit is new.[/QUOTE] [I]It's been done before, so it must be okay![/I]

To be fair, when Bioshock Infinite did it, it had far superior offers. A free copy of Bioshock, some TF2 hats, and free XCOM:EU. The free XCOM was the best thing I've currently ever got from a pre-order.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48592607]To be fair, when Bioshock Infinite did it, it had far superior offers. A free copy of Bioshock, some TF2 hats, and free XCOM:EU. The free XCOM was the best thing I've currently ever got from a pre-order.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that they didnt actually lock away any IN-GAME CONTENT. You know, the stuff THAT SHOULD BE IN THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;48593195]Not to mention that they didnt actually lock away any IN-GAME CONTENT. You know, the stuff THAT SHOULD BE IN THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE.[/QUOTE] This is my problem with bonuses like this. If a company wants to do preorder bonuses or collectors' edition bonuses or things like that, yeah sure fine. Just make it all external to the game. Give them a cool tin case, or a concept art book, or even a t-shirt or something. Don't arbitrarily lock away content in the game behind walls no more substantial than "lol you don't get this because we said so." It really annoys me when game companies do that. Same thing with day-zero DLC. Obviously the content is already made and working in the game - either include it in the base game, or sit on it a few weeks and spring it as "OH GUYS LOOK AT THIS BRAND NEW DLC WE JUST MADE!" That's my personal opinion on the subject.

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;48583943]The way they're doing it, yes. Seriously, if anyone of you think "meh this is okay, have my money" then you're just a sheep trapped in this disgusting system. Unless you've got an unlimited supply of money, just think people, care about your rights as consumers.[/QUOTE] I pre-ordered Bioshock Infinite because I thought it was going to legitimately be a good game, not because I wanted to unlock the pre-order bonus tiers. I'm not going to pre-order Deus Ex MD because I learned what a mistake Infinite was but regardless, if I was going to pre-order, it wouldn't be because I [I]really [/I]supported the pre-order gimmick, but because I just wanted to play the game. The gimmick is a non-problem in my eyes as it seems that very little would change if the gimmick didn't exist at all. You'd pre-order and you'd get some costumes and an artbook and probably a really short bonus mission, or you won't. And costumes and an artbook and one shitty mission probably won't affect the core game all that much.