allow me to play Devil's Advocate.
let's say this all turns out to be true. will the people in this thread mocking it hold their stance? or will they feel bad about laughing about the sexual exploitation of children just because it got boosted into the spotlight by infowars-tier reporting and tinfoil hatters?
there seem to be a trend where anything on facepunch is doubted if it's brought up via some conspiracy themed youtube channel. you guys don't want to seem crazy and only because the presentation seems to be crazy and you don't want to lose face.
personally i think this specific allegation is a crock of shit, but i do believe there's a lot of coded messages in those email leaks.
[QUOTE=Untouch;51419611]something conspiracy theorists can never answer is this
why the FUCK would they put little codes and clues that would only lead to getting them caught, i don't understand
no one can ever explain this
"hmm, how about we put the NAMBLA logo hidden in the picture, to fuck with them hehe!" christ[/QUOTE]
Obviously, it's so that people [I]in the know[/I] can find a safe place to enjoy their degeneracies. I mean, [I]obviously[/I] a well-hidden child pornography ring run by Democrat Satanists would want to recruit pizza-loving New Yorker child molesters who are weirdly into symbology, so it only makes sense that they'd hide subtly obvious signs all around their front organizations.
Everytime I hear about this Podesta Pizza conspiracy shit all I can ever think of is the "I got boxes full of Pepe" scene from It's Sunny In Philadelphia.
So what happened with that secret section of the pizza place that had a bunch of encrypted password accounts? Tbh that was the really sketchy part of it for me.
[QUOTE=Quark:;51422584]allow me to play Devil's Advocate.
let's say this all turns out to be true. will the people in this thread mocking it hold their stance? or will they feel bad about laughing about the sexual exploitation of children just because it got boosted into the spotlight by infowars-tier reporting and tinfoil hatters?
there seem to be a trend where anything on facepunch is doubted if it's brought up via some conspiracy themed youtube channel. you guys don't want to seem crazy and only because the presentation seems to be crazy and you don't want to lose face.
personally i think this specific allegation is a crock of shit, but i do believe there's a lot of coded messages in those email leaks.[/QUOTE]
"it's probably bullshit but there's coded messages that are definitely real"
dude, you try too hard to hate on FP, but enjoy yourself, we're all a hivemind who will engage in exactly what you say, but you're not part of that
in reality, if this turns out to be true, what exactly have I lost by being wrong? What "face" do I have to save here in relation to the situation? Fucking none dude, you're literally trying to look for reasons to look down on others
This is one of the stupidest, most forced shit I've read and heard about in years.
Stupid motherfuckers will believe literally anything, what the fuck.
[QUOTE=Quark:;51422584]allow me to play Devil's Advocate.
let's say this all turns out to be true. will the people in this thread mocking it hold their stance? or will they feel bad about laughing about the sexual exploitation of children just because it got boosted into the spotlight by infowars-tier reporting and tinfoil hatters?
there seem to be a trend where anything on facepunch is doubted if it's brought up via some conspiracy themed youtube channel. you guys don't want to seem crazy and only because the presentation seems to be crazy and you don't want to lose face.
personally i think this specific allegation is a crock of shit, but i do believe there's a lot of coded messages in those email leaks.[/QUOTE]
I didn't toxx the election, but you can mark my fucking words right here, if Clinton is involved in some kind of pedophilia ring, I will jump in my pool in the dead of winter on pain of a week long ban.
I don't believe there's any significant chance of any of this being true at all.
[QUOTE=froztshock;51423178]I didn't toxx the election, but you can mark my fucking words right here, if Clinton is involved in some kind of pedophilia ring, I will jump in my pool in the dead of winter on pain of a week long ban.
I don't believe there's any significant chance of any of this being true at all.[/QUOTE]
only a week long ban? you don't sound very confident that you will win this bet
its pretty sad that people will cook up this shit
and even sadder that they will go out of their way to ruin these peoples lives over these bullshit conspiracy theories. that one pizza owner, last week, talked about how he'd get tons of phone calls every day, death threats, and he'll probably be forced to close the place down because of it, if it doesn't die down. It's pretty pathetic, on the same level of SJW freaks on twitter who go after people for random reasons and tell on their bosses, getting them fired.
it's pretty weird that the owner of that pizza place was named one of the top 50 most influential people in washington and there's a few creepy instagram posts
im skeptical though
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51423196]only a week long ban? you don't sound very confident that you will win this bet[/QUOTE]
You can't blame him after what went down in South Korea.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51423196]only a week long ban? you don't sound very confident that you will win this bet[/QUOTE]
Eh, point. I was being rushed away to thanks giving dinner and didn't have as much time to think over my post as I typically would've given. I up it to a perma.
So my brother at thanksgiving brought this up to me. Jesus Christ it was so infuriating. I usually just go along with his inane conspiracy bullshit but I couldn't listen to this crap.
After telling him what a load of shit it was and showing him sources proofing these thing to be false, he said that they were just "rigged bullshit news sites"
I asked him if that information isn't true, then what makes his true, he said "You need to stop listening to the media and start reading up at r/The_Donald."
He said he's been there a year and reads it a couple hours a day. Thank god I don't live at home and don't have to hear this shit everyday like my parents. He's 32. Oh, he also thinks Kanye was restrained and taken away against his will because he was "Spreading the truth of Pizzagate"
A guy on reddit had a great response to Pizzagate
[QUOTE]If you throw together a ton of pretty weird, random things, the rebuttal to that is necessarily going to be a bunch of pretty weird, random things that to a true believer, sounds like you're just making excuses.
Example (from SSC):
Suppose you’re talking to one of those ancient-Atlantean secrets-of-the-Pyramids people. They give you various pieces of evidence for their latest crazy theory, such as (and all of these are true):
The latitude of the Great Pyramid matches the speed of light in a vacuum to five decimal places.
Famous prophet Edgar Cayce, who predicted a lot of stuff with uncanny accuracy, said he had seen ancient Atlanteans building the Pyramid in a vision.
There are hieroglyphs near the pyramid that look a lot like pictures of helicopters.
In his dialogue Critias, Plato relayed a tradition of secret knowledge describing a 9,000-year-old Atlantean civilization.
The Egyptian pyramids look a lot like the Mesoamerican pyramids, and the Mesoamerican name for the ancient home of civilization is “Aztlan”
There’s an underwater road in the Caribbean, whose discovery Edgar Cayce predicted, and which he said was built by Atlantis
There are underwater pyramids near the island of Yonaguni.
The Sphinx has apparent signs of water erosion, which would mean it has to be more than 10,000 years old.
She asks you, the reasonable and well-educated supporter of the archaeological consensus, to explain these facts. After looking through the literature, you come up with the following:
This is just a weird coincidence.
Prophecies have so many degrees of freedom that anyone who gets even a little lucky can sound “uncannily accurate”, and this is probably just what happened with Cayce, so who cares what he thinks?
Lots of things look like helicopters, so whatever.
Plato was probably lying, or maybe speaking in metaphors.
There are only so many ways to build big stone things, and “pyramid” is a natural form. The “Atlantis/Atzlan” thing is probably a coincidence.
Those are probably just rocks in the shape of a road, and Edgar Cayce just got lucky.
Those are probably just rocks in the shape of pyramids. But if they do turn out to be real, that area was submerged pretty recently under the consensus understanding of geology, so they might also just be pyramids built by a perfectly normal non-Atlantean civilization.
We still don’t understand everything about erosion, and there could be some reason why an object less than 10,000 years old could have erosion patterns typical of older objects.
I want you to read those last eight points from the view of an Atlantis believer, and realize that they sound really weaselly. They’re all “Yeah, but that’s probably a coincidence”, and “Look, we don’t know exactly why this thing happened, but it’s probably not Atlantis, so shut up.”
This is the natural pattern you get when challenging a false theory. The theory was built out of random noise and ad hoc misinterpretations, so the refutation will have to be “every one of your multiple superficially plausible points is random noise, or else it’s a misinterpretation for a different reason”.
If you believe in Atlantis, then each of the seven facts being true provides “context” in which to interpret the last one. Plato said there was an Atlantis that sunk underneath the sea, so of course we should explain the mysterious undersea ruins in that context. The logic is flawless, it’s just that you’re wrong about everything.
This is kind of what your argument is like. Life is full of weird things that you could extrapolate a narrative out of. This is a basic fact, that to 90% of humans, just means that you need some affirmative evidence to believe something, not just shadowy weird connections. But some people use that fact to argue that Oswald didn't kill JFK. Others use it to argue that Sandy Hook was staged. Still others use it to argue for chemtrails. Still others use it to argue for Flat Earth. You use it for pizzagate. But it is only persuasive to people who are predisposed to thinking that Hillary is Satanic. To an independent observer, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
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