Pirating and other illegal free options through the internet - General

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32380510]Then how would you want the creators to be compensated for their time spent making it?[/QUOTE]donations. I can't speak for a lot of people I'm sure but I donate to open-source projects all the time.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32380009]I would say that if you had a state which owns all property, you could put all games/movies/books/etc online and allow people to download anything for free. The state in question could then give out money/land/etc to the person/s whom created said game/movie/book dependent on how widely used it is. In such a situation there would no longer be a need for piracy as your taxes would effectively pay for it.[/QUOTE] This would be a world I want to live in.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32380562]I would not try and justify piracy at all, but the simple fact is that I do not have €300 to spend on MS Office and that I simply cannot work without it. [/QUOTE] Er... LibreOffice? Exactly the same facilities, for free.

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;32380605]donations[/QUOTE] Would you work for me for free and hope someone donates to you? No, exactly. People simply don't do that. [editline]19th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=myalt22;32380610]Er... LibreOffice? Exactly the same facilities, for free.[/QUOTE] I tried openoffice, it fails so I returned to MS office, which I am accustomed to.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32380619]Would you work for me for free and hope someone donates to you? No, exactly. People simply don't do that. [editline]19th September 2011[/editline] I tried openoffice, it fails so I returned to MS office, which I am accustomed to.[/QUOTE]except people do

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32380619] I tried openoffice, it fails so I returned to MS office, which I am accustomed to.[/QUOTE] I notice no difference between LibreOffice (not OpenOffice) and Word.

Of course i wouldnt steal a handbag, i have no need for a handbag. Id take any money and maybe the phone

[QUOTE=Pridit;32379912]I must be really uninformed but can you elaborate on that? Surely the developers don't want their hard work going out there for free.[/QUOTE] The publishers usually own the IP so can tell the devs to do whatever the fuck they want. Devs generally understand that DRM does fuck all against piracy.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32380608]This would be a world I want to live in.[/QUOTE] If the USSR were around today and a bit more open it is probably similar to what it would have in place. It would most likely be a national internet service however, and all websites would probably begin with nis.websitenamehere.marx

[QUOTE=Irockz;32379926]stealing is taking one's possessions. This is a [b]copy[/b] of it. You're not taking it from the creators. Therefore I'm alright with it.[/QUOTE] That statement doesn't really make any sense when you are talking about an object in the computer or on the web that you can't physically grasp with your hand.

[QUOTE=myalt22;32380670]I notice no difference between LibreOffice (not OpenOffice) and Word.[/QUOTE] I'm using office 2007 not 2003. [editline]19th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;32380688]If the USSR were around today and a bit more open it is probably similar to what it would have in place. It would most likely be a national internet service however, and all websites would probably begin with nis.websitenamehere.marx[/QUOTE] And the programs would be half assed because they will get paid the same amount no matter how hard they work on it. And then the USSR would fail again.

Am I the only one who will willingly admit that I don't care if it's akin to steal? If I were to pirate something I'd do it because either A. I can't afford it or B. I don't think it's worth the market price. I wouldn't be fussed if the sellers lost out or if it counted as a type of stealing.

I mostly pirate games to test them out, to see if they live up to the hype. A good recent example was Dead Island. I pirated it because 1. I didn't know how it would turn out, however I was interested (already had it preordered, but I could get a refund). 2. Stupid UK release dates being 1-2 days behind. However I played a small portion of the game, enjoyed it, stopped playing, then purchased the copy.

[QUOTE=Callius;32380771]Am I the only one who will willingly admit that I don't care if it's akin to steal? If I were to pirate something I'd do it because either A. I can't afford it or B. I don't think it's worth the market price. I wouldn't be fussed if the sellers lost out or if it counted as a type of stealing.[/QUOTE] Well, at least your honest. It sickens me when people come up with lame excuses as to why they pirate, like "I didn't think it was that bad".

[QUOTE=Pridit;32380604]I believe in actually supporting artists/developers rather than "fuck with the man" I'm not agreeing to anyone's terms, if I decide I like either a game or song I decide to purchase it rather than pirating it. Not supporting artists/developers purely because big corporations get a slice doesn't mean it's right/you should do it.[/QUOTE] I 100% like and support the developers and artists. I don't like the people who sue a person for $100,000 for pirating one fucking song. That's who I don't like. Not the artists or developers. I would gladly donate to them or at least pay for the song later on in my life.

I only pirate games to see if they're money worthy enough for me to buy. I almost never buy SP games unless I really want to support the developers.

I only pirate games when the developer or publisher is a huge dick about the game. Like a really crappy, delayed PC port, extremely intrusive DRM although I can live with always-on-DRM, empty promises, ridiculous prices, pirate copy out earlier than legal copy because of stupid release dates (in that case I do buy it if it's good when it's out).

I would only resort to pirating things when they're completely unobtainable. Sometimes, I won't purchase a game if it doesn't give the publisher or developer money (I won't get a game from a customer on Ebay).

OP, moralising the issue doesn't help.

Why does the goverment need to fight piracy. Send the money to securing the border or something.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32380742]And the programs would be half assed because they will get paid the same amount no matter how hard they work on it. And then the USSR would fail again.[/QUOTE] Not quite, despite the idea that everyone be paid the same in the USSR skilled workers had been paid more than the unskilled since the 1920s. (A policy for which Stalin was criticised by party members.)

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uhYm8nLdb0&feature=channel_video_title[/media] [editline]19th September 2011[/editline] deal with it

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32380999]Not quite, despite the idea that everyone be paid the same in the USSR skilled workers had been paid more than the unskilled since the 1920s. (A policy for which Stalin was criticised by party members.)[/QUOTE] Then what did I hear in history class about factory's getting orders for x amounts of y for z amount of money and just basically making them shitty so they could cut on production cost and make more monies?

Direct comparisons between piracy and stealing are irrelevant, because arguing that it is stealing is simply false, and arguing that it isn't stealing tends to ignore the damage that it could cause. It's really neither stealing nor should it be legal. Piracy does indeed create a copy, and doesn't take anything from any single person. However, if done en-mass, it could significantly reduce the profits made off of a game. Simply put, if it were legal to pirate, and the layman knew how to do it, it's unlikely that the game industry would be as expansive as it is now. It doesn't matter if you think that would be a good thing, there's still economic damage being done. On the flipside, I also think that most companies that go out of their way to get anti piracy legislation passed that would hurt the consumer and the freedom of the internet as a whole, or those that try to sue an individual for thousands of dollars simply because they downloaded a couple of MP3s are causing an even larger problem. The fact of the matter is that currently piracy doesn't cause nearly enough damage to warrant moves like this, and it really seems like an attempt to soak up as much money as possible from the whole ordeal.

Piracy is the answer to bad service from devs/publishers. There are no demos anymore, and most publishers are putting overpriced DLC and terrible side-software in every game they release to get more money out of you. I tried playing Bioshock 2 again. Spent about 30 minutes creating an account, getting Xbox Live updates, checking my key. Steam is here for all that, but because the other publishers want their part of the cake, they're ruining the player's experience.

My viewpoint is that it should be frowned upon, but not illegal. Yes a game is being stolen/copied, but if you are pirating Call o Duty MW23, you doing that doesn't effect the bottom line of Activision that much. How ever if you are stealing from a small developer, I think one should refrain from pirating. And yes, the DRM hurts consumers more than pirates. If a game is not on Steam I will most likely not buy it, simply due to the 500 different DRM platforms I would need.

Maybe people should sell their shit for less and maybe offer a bit more so people wouldn't pirate stuff. Look at games. They are getting more expensive each year and each game seems to have less content then the other. Not mentioning the DLCs you might have to buy which offer almost nothing for soo much. Yes I'm looking at you CoD... How about making stuff cheaper? People would buy it instead maybe.

Our government needs to shut the fuck up about piracy, it's not fucking hurting anyone. Worry about the country, not some kid torrenting a shitty film, like The Room. I don't believe that we shouldn't be allowed to torrent films, we have technology and were limited from so much. I thought the Internet was like our own little world where we can and could do whatever we want without being hassled.

This is what I think of game piracy. Throw all this "omg its stealing/not stealing" crap out of the window, firstly. If you pirate games, you're not taking away something from potential customers, you're just copying an existing game. Most of the time, piracy isn't large enough to completely throw a game's sales out the window. This is what it all boils down to: If you're not going to pay for the product, [B]you do not get to have it.[/B] It doesn't matter if you're poor or your mommy and daddy won't buy you expensive games. If you don't have the money, you don't get the game. Simple. Who cares if you "can't experience the game" or "omg i'll buy it later," you don't get to have the game because you did not pay for it. According to me, ther is absolutely no justification for piracy at all. Of course people are still going to pirate no matter what, but in the end all the pirates I've encountered are just a bunch of white middle class teenagers that are too "poor" to buy games.

The only time I ever condone pirating is when you pay extra money for those dvd packages that come with a digital copy. THAT EXPIRE. You pay almost twice the price, only for them to eventually take it away from you. I know several people who've been screwed over by this.