Pirating and other illegal free options through the internet - General

[QUOTE=dajoh;32391636]Not mine, I release all my stuff into the public domain.[/QUOTE] That's your choice then, others don't necessarily make the same choice and I don't understand why you don't let them make that choice.

@mobrockers2: If everything had been copyrighted with no time limit, the human race would never have gotten to where it is today. For example, if people had copyrighted their words and there were no time limit on the copyright, humans could not communicate. All words must have been invented at some point, and therefore you would be infringing on the copyright of the person who invented the word every time you use it. Therefore, I propose that you never use any words you have not invented yourself ever again, unless of course you have permission from the person who created it (or his/her heir(s)). If you refuse to do this, then you are a hypocrite. Oh... you do want a time limit? Well, how long should it be then? Any length of time you suggest will be completely arbitrary and therefore invalid. What about freedom of speech? If you write a book and I buy it from you, why should I not be allowed to read it out loud in public? Couldn't you just write a book with every possible sentence, and thereby preventing me from saying anything at all? What if it wasn't a book, but a piece of code or a movie? What if you wrote every possible piece of code that does not exist yet? This would effectively give you a right to every possible future computer program. Is this just? No, of course not. What if I write something that is copyrighted by you on my wall and you stop me from doing this, wouldn't this violate my exclusive property right to my wall? Furthermore, how can one own something that is infinite? Do I steal from you when I copy your idea or creative work? Of course not. If I had stolen it you would, by definition, not have it anymore.

[QUOTE=cgt;32391912]@mobrockers2: If everything had been copyrighted with no time limit, the human race would never have gotten to where it is today. For example, if people had copyrighted their words and there were no time limit on the copyright, humans could not communicate. All words must have been invented at some point, and therefore you would be infringing on the copyright of the person who invented the word every time you use it. Therefore, I propose that you never use any words you have not invented yourself ever again, unless of course you have permission from the person who created it (or his/her heir(s)). If you refuse to do this, then you are a hypocrite. Oh... you do want a time limit? Well, how long should it be then? Any length of time you suggest will be completely arbitrary and therefore invalid. What about freedom of speech? If you write a book and I buy it from you, why should I not be allowed to read it out loud in public? Couldn't you just write a book with every possible sentence, and thereby preventing me from saying anything at all? What if it wasn't a book, but a piece of code or a movie? What if you wrote every possible piece of code that does not exist yet? This would effectively give you a right to every possible future computer program. Is this just? No, of course not. What if I write something that is copyrighted by you on my wall and you stop me from doing this, wouldn't this violate my exclusive property right to my wall? Furthermore, how can one own something that is infinite? Do I steal from you when I copy your idea or creative work? Of course not. If I had stolen it you would, by definition, not have it anymore.[/QUOTE] I have no idea where you got the idea from to post this post that has nothing what so ever to do with what I said and puts words in my mouth I wouldn't even dare use, but please try and write something that makes sense next time.

I could "legally" make a thousand copies of a digital dvd or a cd on my computer. It's makes sense to be illegal when you are giving out or selling copyrighted material that you aren't licensed for. Otherwise I think "home-use" of this stuff isn't wrong. Blame piraters all you like, but I blame technology simplicity for the downfall of the music industry. Oh well.

Pirating allows you to download those games that you simply cannot buy, or simply unable to find.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32392200]I could "legally" make a thousand copies of a digital dvd or a cd on my computer. It's makes sense to be illegal when you are giving out or selling copyrighted material that you aren't licensed for. Otherwise I think "home-use" of this stuff isn't wrong. Blame piraters all you like, but I blame technology simplicity for the downfall of the music industry. Oh well.[/QUOTE] Making copies for home-use IS legal. [editline]20th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=shian;32392244]Pirating allows you to download those games that you simply cannot buy, or simply unable to find.[/QUOTE] Or simply don't want to spend money on, or simply don't have the money anymore because you bought those 20 other games you wanted. Really, there is no way to justify it. Trying to justify piracy is sad, either just do it and admit you're wrong but don't give a fuck, or don't.

[QUOTE=Haunted;32391306]Download an album worth £10 and like what i hear. See them live for £40. (true story) As far as music is concerned piracy is good publicity for those who would not justify buying it however end up liking it. also [img]http://www.megaleecher.net/uploads/piracy-is-theft.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Theft has nothing to do with removing a physical copy. That is not the definition.

[QUOTE=myalt22;32388275]I don't think the devs/producers deserve shit if they released shit.[/QUOTE]So...you can legally pirate harry potter games?

[QUOTE=myalt22;32388275]I don't think the devs/producers deserve shit if they released shit.[/QUOTE] Who are you to say that? If it's shit then why pirate it? You are not entitled to free things from people without their consent.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32392252]Making copies for home-use IS legal. [/QUOTE] If I email a copy to a friend, then it becomes illegal. What I don't see is data transfer being illegal... only the "selling" part.

[QUOTE=Haunted;32391306]Download an album worth £10 and like what i hear. See them live for £40. (true story) As far as music is concerned piracy is good publicity for those who would not justify buying it however end up liking it. also [img]http://www.megaleecher.net/uploads/piracy-is-theft.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] And nobody buys the original as they have the copy. It's like your boss saying "Nice work with that software you just coded, but I just decided to copy it and pay you jack shit. Oh and if I like it, I just might hire you to make some script for me." If you would decide to make a sample software for free as a promotion, that would be another thing. That's why with music, we have MTV and Radio and Youtube. Where you can sample that shit. And then buy, you stingy bastards.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32392382]If I email a copy to a friend, then it becomes illegal. What I don't see is data transfer being illegal... only the "selling" part.[/QUOTE] Look at it this way, giving something away is basically selling for €0,-

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;32392304]Theft has nothing to do with removing a physical copy. That is not the definition.[/QUOTE] Stealing= To take (the property of another) without right or permission. Pirating= To copy (the property of another) without right or permission.

[QUOTE=Haunted;32391306] [img]http://www.megaleecher.net/uploads/piracy-is-theft.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] That's not how it works. It's more like this. [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1467131/Tada.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Str4fe;32392410]Stealing= To take (the property of another) without right or permission. Pirating= To copy (the property of another) without right or permission.[/QUOTE] That's a fun definition. I liked the part where you pulled it out of your ass. Look at my post last page. There is the REAL definition.

[QUOTE=Str4fe;32392410]Stealing= To take (the property of another) without right or permission. Pirating= To copy (the property of another) without right or permission.[/QUOTE] [url]http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/take[/url] Second definition, gain possession of. Try again.

[QUOTE=mac338;32392421]That's not how it works. It's more like this. [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1467131/Tada.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] you're thinking plundering

[QUOTE=mac338;32392421]That's not how it works. It's more like this. [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1467131/Tada.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Now I just copied your shitty and wrong image, but you still have one on your computer. So did I take it? No. I just copied it. (Not really as it is nowhere near the truth)

[QUOTE=mac338;32392421]That's not how it works. It's more like this. [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1467131/Tada.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Ehm no, it's not like that.

To those of you comparing pirating a game with test driving a car, THERE ARE DEMOS FOR MOST GOOD GAMES, or trials, weekend trials etc. Theres your test drive. I think too many people consider pirating a game an alternative, and end up never buying it after doing so.

[QUOTE=evilking1;32392467]Now I just copied your shitty and wrong image, but you still have one on your computer. So did I take it? No. I just copied it. (Not really as it is nowhere near the truth)[/QUOTE] He could sue you now as you saved it on your computer without permission, but then he would be sued by the original artist because he edited the original without permission.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32392483]He could sue you now as you saved it on your computer without permission, but then he would be sued by the original artist because he edited the original without permission.[/QUOTE] He could argue that he coppied it for satire or for educational purposes.

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;32392564]He could argue that he coppied it for satire or for educational purposes.[/QUOTE] Hmm yes, but could he still sue evilking then?

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32392407]Look at it this way, giving something away is basically selling for €0,-[/QUOTE] Or it is giving a gift.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32392607]Or it is giving a gift.[/QUOTE] No it would be fencing, as at the very moment you send it to him, you are both it stealing and distributing stolen property.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32392630]No it would be fencing, as at the very moment you send it to him, you are both it stealing and distributing stolen property.[/QUOTE] At the very moment I give a disc to someone that I made, I am giving them a gift of data. Regardless what the data is, it's a harmless gift. Unless you are taking this into the context of dealing drugs.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32392655]At the very moment I give a disc to someone that I made, I am giving them a gift of data. Regardless what the data is, it's a harmless gift. Unless you are taking this into the context of dealing drugs.[/QUOTE] The data however isn't yours so you are giving away something of which you have no right to give it away.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;32392674]The data however isn't yours so you are giving away something of which you have no right to give it away.[/QUOTE] How do you know I didn't just make a copy of it legitly from a CD I had bought?

You guys are missing the fact that piracy helps developers by making it so that people that pirated the game spread good news of it, even if they wouldn't have bought it.

I only pirate games if i can't find a good copy of them somewhere, or it isn't available in the states, or there isn't a high number of them. Like Hard Truck Apocalypse. My pirated copy may be glitchy but dammit it works.