• Half in the Bag Episode 100: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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[QUOTE=Rusty100;49358991][sp]i thought he was punching it as a release? like when you have a seering cut or a small infected wound and putting pressure on it gives a very brief relief/satisfaction[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I think he was punching his wound to increase his pain to help fuel his power[/sp]
[QUOTE=boobs;49358261]I havent watched the movie and I clicked your spoiler... Jesus fucking christ I'm stupid.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/Du2HHIk.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;49359496]The idea that all stormtroopers are clones is retarded and I refuse to believe it.[/QUOTE] you don't have to because the stormtroopers of 4/5/6/7 aren't clones
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;49366069]you don't have to because the stormtroopers of 4/5/6/7 aren't clones[/QUOTE] That's the reason for the argument, though; some people don't know this or never realized it over the past, what, 38 years? So despite the [sp]Clone Army comment that Kylo makes when Hux's men fail to retrieve BB-8[/sp] and the fact that Finn himself is obviously not a clone, [sp]especially given the brief backstory he gives to Rey,[/sp] some people still think that even then the First Order are using clone troopers. [editline]21st December 2015[/editline] And, y'know, Phasma the female stormtrooper, who [sp]proceeds to do absolutely nothing. Fucking marketing trying to make it seem like she'd be a big character, and apparently she's already confirmed for Episode VIII.[/sp]
[QUOTE=TheTalon;49361255][sp]I think he was punching his wound to increase his pain to help fuel his power[/sp][/QUOTE] having watched it a second time, i really don't think so. [sp]he has to actually stop fighting to bash it at one point. i think it really fucking hurts and that's why he's hitting it, to relieve the pain. i do it all the time when something really smarts. ever had a headache so bad you were hitting yourself in the head because it just felt better to do it? or kept tonguing an ulcer? or poking a scab? it's like that.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49366296]having watched it a second time, i really don't think so. [sp]he has to actually stop fighting to bash it at one point. i think it really fucking hurts and that's why he's hitting it, to relieve the pain. i do it all the time when something really smarts. ever had a headache so bad you were hitting yourself in the head because it just felt better to do it? or kept tonguing an ulcer? or poking a scab? it's like that.[/sp][/QUOTE] someone mentioned in the star wars thread, [sp]somebody had brought up the idea of him smacking his wound from real experience in the military. It's apparently a real thing people do![/sp]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;49366296]having watched it a second time, i really don't think so. [sp]he has to actually stop fighting to bash it at one point. i think it really fucking hurts and that's why he's hitting it, to relieve the pain. i do it all the time when something really smarts. ever had a headache so bad you were hitting yourself in the head because it just felt better to do it? or kept tonguing an ulcer? or poking a scab? it's like that.[/sp][/QUOTE] already confirmed that he was hitting it to pump himself up, see above
[QUOTE=codemaster85;49359060]completely false, the newly canon battlefront book which goes WAY more into detail with equipment capabilities and the imperials as a whole, point out that stormtrooper helmets/suits are fucking state of the art tech. canonically Each helmet has a smoke/biotoxin filter [sp]which i raised an eyebrow at when finn said that it doesnt when they were planning to flood their ship with the deadly gas[/sp], An advance 3d image scanner that sees through smoke/fire/and the dark, It also has an advanced targeting computer for accurate blaster fire, and finally have a comlink built in. This is one reason why stormtroopers are to never take off their helmets unless its an emergency [sp]also why fin got yelled at by phasma for doing such[/sp]. Even republic commando had most of those features, and that's from the clone era of tech. Their suits are actually like power armor that auto fits to their body and has a built in AC/heat system for more extreme climates. That was one massive advantage the imperials had over the rebels on hoth due to the rebels already suffering from exhaustion when out in the snow. [editline]20th December 2015[/editline] The helmets are such a guarded secret that they will not turn on unless its been cracked by the black market, or the actual designated user is using it.[/QUOTE] So, look at the bottom left of this image: [IMG]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91iNObI%2BNEL.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Cow Muffins;49366803]So, look at the bottom left of this image: [IMG]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91iNObI%2BNEL.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] again, the movie makes no sense with the trooper's visual abilities. Clone troopers pretty much had what i said in the clone wars, as seen in republic commando. The book i had read also confirmed the same abilities. and right there, it says that the helmet has a filtration system with a backup tank [sp]which again doesnt make sense when finn said to flood the MF with poison gas[/sp].
When you have a universe written by a bunch of different people you're gonna have some small inconsistencies. Who cares.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;49368506]again, the movie makes no sense with the trooper's visual abilities. Clone troopers pretty much had what i said in the clone wars, as seen in republic commando. The book i had read also confirmed the same abilities. and right there, it says that the helmet has a filtration system with a backup tank [sp]which again doesnt make sense when finn said to flood the MF with poison gas[/sp].[/QUOTE] [sp]Finn specifically says it filters out smoke but not toxins.[/sp]
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49368932][sp]Finn specifically says it filters out smoke but not toxins.[/sp][/QUOTE] but it has a back up tank so thats a moot point.
The movies trump everything else. If a book goes against the movie, the book is the one that's wrong.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;49368506]again, the movie makes no sense with the trooper's visual abilities. Clone troopers pretty much had what i said in the clone wars, as seen in republic commando. The book i had read also confirmed the same abilities. and right there, it says that the helmet has a filtration system with a backup tank [sp]which again doesnt make sense when finn said to flood the MF with poison gas[/sp].[/QUOTE] But clone troopers =/= stormtroopers and stormtroopers =/= first order stormtroopers so it's all irrelevant. Just cause the uniforms are all white, doesn't mean they're all the same.
No no no no no. Read again. The book doesn't say a goddamn thing about a backup tank. It says it has an external tank [I][B]hookup.[/B][/I] Its [I]capable[/I] of using an external tank, which we've seen with the flametroopers so far. But Finn's statement holds solid. Helmet can filter [I]smoke[/I], not [I]toxins.[/I]
potentially the nerdiest discussion ive ever seen
the movie was overall pretty good, my friends and I just marathoned 4/5/6/1/2/3 and then went to see 7 and honestly I'd put 7 right between 5 and 4 in terms of quality ranking, it was a solid continuation and I'm pleasantly surprised I'm just worried that abrams isn't directing the next two-
JJ Abrams not directing is the best part for VIII. He keeps the presentation good, but I could really do less with rehashing plots, and the new Star Treks only indicate that is his style.
[sp]There were waaaay too many parallels with episodes 4/5/6 to my taste. It shows a lack of confidence, imo[/sp]
09 Star Trek was honestly pretty good, and Into Darkness wasn't just JJ's doing, there were tons of other people around that helped to screw it up. I think its main problem was that it was trying to hard to play into people's expectations instead of trying something new. As for JJ not directing Episode VIII, I really don't know how to feel about it yet as Episode VIII isn't out yet. The new director has directed some of my favorite episodes of Breaking Bad (including one that's very debatable among fans) however, and he also directed Looper (which seems like a lot of fun), so maybe it's in capable hands. [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/12/22/why-j-j-abrams-now-regrets-deboarding-the-star-wars-chair-before-episode-viii/"]Hell, JJ even said that the script for VIII is "so good, he wishes he were directing it"[/URL], but that might just be marketing speak.
[QUOTE=Cock Boner;49373354]the movie was overall pretty good, my friends and I just marathoned 4/5/6/1/2/3 and then went to see 7 and honestly I'd put 7 right between 5 and 4 in terms of quality ranking, it was a solid continuation and I'm pleasantly surprised I'm just worried that abrams isn't directing the next two-[/QUOTE] Abrams is really good at making hooks and keeping you interested, but really REALLY bad at making those hooks lead somewhere satisfying. Lost, the second startrek movie, Cloverfield, and hell really anything he's worked on have really shitty payoffs compared to the brilliant first act and just get worse the longer they go on. It's best to have someone else finish his stuff, that way he can't ruin it when he gets bored.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;49374613]it was a really good movie but damn if i didnt cringe when [sp]kylo had to kill han solo, of all places, on a fucking bridge over a bottomless pit[/sp] its not even that dramatic as it was in [sp]empire strikes back because we already know its going to happen because 1) of all places to solve a drama, it shouldnt be over a pit, and 2) they already established him as his son[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The lighting in Solo's death scene was fucking spectacular, though.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Tudd;49374497]JJ Abrams not directing is the best part for VIII. He keeps the presentation good, but I could really do less with rehashing plots, and the new Star Treks only indicate that is his style.[/QUOTE] i think you're mixing up directing with writing. Which Abrams also had a hand in, but most of it could be pinned on Michael Arndt, I think.
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;49374608][sp]There were waaaay too many parallels with episodes 4/5/6 to my taste. It shows a lack of confidence, imo[/sp][/QUOTE] I disagree on the "lack of confidence". By [sp] killing han, they demonstrated that they're not going to be reliant on the previous films imo. Han is one of, if not the most loved and iconic central character of the original trilogy, and having the confidence of killing him shows that they are confident in the new characters they have crafted - and rightly so. [/sp] the new characters are pretty much immediately likeable, relatable. For me one of the weakest points of the film was Carrie Fisher. I think they changed her character too substantially. They changed her from being a stubborn independent don't take no guff character to a matronly mother figure that's way more understanding than she used to be. Yeah may be character development but after just having seen the original again recently the change in her character is night and day. The other thing imo is the romance of the film. It doesn't feel believable. The pace of the entire film makes it feel as if it takes place only over a few days, making the sudden connection between two characters who have literally just met feel a little forced and definitely quite unnecessary. Romance in the original trilogy developed over time, which was aided by the epic scope of the trilogy. That's not the case in episode 7.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;49374669]i think you're mixing up directing with writing. Which Abrams also had a hand in, but most of it could be pinned on Michael Arndt, I think.[/QUOTE] Abrams always uses the same writer Roberto Orzi (Transformers, Amazing Spider Man 2, The Island, etc) in all of his projects usually and he sucks dick. Because of his consistent usage of that guy, JJ probably just sucks at plots since it seems so natural to himself and somehow it extended to VII, although not as bad. Basically all the problems of weak character motivations, rehashing/unfocused plot, and ridiculous pacing issues stem from that writer in the industry.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;49374722] The other thing imo is the romance of the film. It doesn't feel believable. The pace of the entire film makes it feel as if it takes place only over a few days, making the sudden connection between two characters who have literally just met feel a little forced and definitely quite unnecessary.[/QUOTE] [sp] I find the sudden romance a lot more bearable if you acknowledge how screwed up Fin(n?)'s life is. He's never really had a friend before to our knowledge and immediately latches onto the first people that show him a modicum of kindness or sympathy, much like people who are starved of attention often do in real life. You don't risk your life for someone and go on what is essentially a suicide mission onto a giant death planet if you're well adjusted. He's also the guy who brought Rin away from her home planet for the first time and gave her hope, so her responding positively back is reasonable as well. A foundation of a real relationship? Maybe not, but people form weird connections over big experiences. Still, I do get how jarring it is, I wish they'd have stayed friends for now and gotten to a relationship in one of the following movies. That being said, he never shows any overt romantic interest in her, and the only thing that happens between them is her kissing him on the forehead while he's unconscious [/sp]
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;49374943][sp] I find the sudden romance a lot more bearable if you acknowledge how screwed up Fin(n?)'s life is. He's never really had a friend before to our knowledge and immediately latches onto the first people that show him a modicum of kindness or sympathy like people who are starved of attention often do in real life. You don't risk your life for someone and go on what is essentially a suicide mission onto a giant death planet if you're well adjusted. He's also the guy who brought Rin away from her home planet for the first time and gave her hope, so her responding positively back is reasonable as well. A foundation of a real relationship? Maybe not, but people form weird connections over big experiences. Still, I do get how jarring it is, I wish they'd have stayed friends for now and gotten to a relationship in one of the following movies. That being said, he never shows any overt romantic interest in her, and the only thing that happens between them is her kissing him on the forehead while he's unconscious [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]I like Finn's character cause it is likable, but a guy who was mentally conditioned at birth with a serial number for a name should not be that sociable and extremely confident to the point of lying about being in the resistance. Inconsistency to the max there with setting up his character as some dude who probably lived a boring life for the FO as a custodian.[/sp]
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;49374722] The other thing imo is the romance of the film. It doesn't feel believable. The pace of the entire film makes it feel as if it takes place only over a few days, making the sudden connection between two characters who have literally just met feel a little forced and definitely quite unnecessary. Romance in the original trilogy developed over time, which was aided by the epic scope of the trilogy. That's not the case in episode 7.[/QUOTE] Am I the only one that it came off as a friendship rather than a romance to?
[QUOTE=bdd458;49375049]Am I the only one that it came off as a friendship rather than a romance to?[/QUOTE] [sp]Right at the end, I'm pretty sure she says something like "I know we'll meet again, my friend" to Finn when he's unconscious.[/sp]
Yeah I'm not sure where people got a "romance" vibe. It's a friendship built off of shared experience.
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