• The Video That BLM does not want you to see.
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[QUOTE=Derp123213;51103236]I'm going to watch the vid, but what's exactly so NSFW about this video? I'd prefer to know beforehand instead of having to experience the shock.[/QUOTE] People getting shot on camera. Not even off screen half the time; you see the dudes drop. Other than that some blood as well.
[QUOTE=Derp123213;51103236]I'm going to watch the vid, but what's exactly so NSFW about this video? I'd prefer to know beforehand instead of having to experience the shock.[/QUOTE] I didn't count but probably 10 to 15 people getting gunned down.
[QUOTE=Derp123213;51103236]I'm going to watch the vid, but what's exactly so NSFW about this video? I'd prefer to know beforehand instead of having to experience the shock.[/QUOTE] People get shot and killed, one of the officers approaching a vehicle is just shot in cold blood and falls to the ground. Fair amount of violence in general. Shit sucks, though some of those clips in the video are older, it does a good job of showing the shit that police and people have to deal with.
Yeah, already watched the video. I think the one that really got me was the kid with the vet father. I love my father and the thought of losing him, let alone when I would be at a young age like the kid is one of the few things that makes me tear up.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51103235]I've held off on saying it until now, but after seeing how BLM cares little for cops and their families and the impact of the losses (especially the little 4 year old boy of the cop who got killed): Black Lives Matter is a racist, disgusting, bigoted movement.[/QUOTE] BLM only cares when it is some thug who tries to shoot the police gets gunned down, that's when they start rioting in those cities and towns for a solid week. When they get a legit case of the police having fucked up in one of those cases, they forget about it in less than two days, and if it is a black police officer that gets shot to death by a radical BLM supporter, they don't care at all about the police officer and his/her family either. If it is gang violence like in the video? BLM stays always silent about that even when it ends up in situations where Chicago's death toll in shootings rises enormously by the year. It is fucking disgusting that some ''''progressive'''' billionaire philanthropists are putting obscene amounts of money into BLM and go and pretend that they are good persons while all they do with it, is to only create bigger and bigger racial divides in America as all they practically do, is to fund riots that see small business owner's shops getting looted and burnt down while the emergency services, police, fire-fighters and ambulance workers alike have to watch out to not get shot by some dipshit rioting thug who thinks he is sticking it to the man or some bullshit like that.
for the sake of truth we need to spread this video
at this point i understand why the us police is so trigger-happy if this shit keeps on fucking happening
I'll just reiterate what I said in the Charlotte thread, as long as BLM continues to demonize the police without any nuance and to call every shooting of black people murder regardless of whether it was justified, they will only make things worse. What do they expect generating undue mistrust of the police will result in? Not only will that impede their work when it comes to protecting them, but jumpiness and tensions around police officers can only result in a higher likelihood of another police shooting happening. If they truly wanted to make things better, they would actively encourage members of the black community to enroll in the police force, strengthening the link between the two and pushing for reforms from within. A more local and 'in touch' police would go a long way in easing the tensions, and would also be more efficient in dealing with crime and gang problems (for instance, a significant amount of terrorism attempts are foiled thanks to Muslim relatives who report radicalization of their friends and neighbors). Instead, you've got people who call black policemen uncle toms and race traitors... It's really not that hard to highlight good police work and inspire people to protect their neighbors. But that would be too nuanced and go against the narrative so they'd rather portray them as the enemy, then black people who aspire to those ideals join gangs instead. BLM now seems more like a cult to me than a social movement open to discussion.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51102912]I've said it before and I'll say it again. BLM is absolute racist trash and I just can't understand why aren't they treating them as a domestic terrorist, black supremacist group. People here on FP even go as far as to defend these scumbags.[/QUOTE] That might just be because they are by definition not a terrorist group. Even the violent instances in specific few cities don't make them a terrorist group because those actions weren't terrorist. They aren't a black supremacist group either, because BLM exists all across of the United States and one riot of blacks shouting "BLACK POWER" in 1 city doesn't define the entire group. I don't support the movement by the way, you are just dead wrong about the words you are using. Thinking about BLM members who are actually reasonable, they would just get pissed and even more devoted to the BLM movement if they heard outsiders misunderstanding the group this much. It's like voluntary ignorance just to get rid of something you dislike. And that dislike is driven by generalizations and fear.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51102912]I've said it before and I'll say it again. BLM is absolute racist trash and I just can't understand why aren't they treating them as a domestic terrorist, black supremacist group. People here on FP even go as far as to defend these scumbags.[/QUOTE] That's the problem with large leaderless movements, there's a large spectrum when it comes to goals and those who are within it. A decent portion genuinely want to lower crime and conflict in the community. The conflict comes with those who want to use conflict to rise for goals of self-interest. If one truly wants to help cleanse the conflict in a community, you must work within it and build a good name for the community those who govern it as well as help. Those who create or use conflict for their own gain, may only succeed if the good and wise do nothing.
If there was one thing I had to say about BLM its that it would be something negative beyond "good idea, absolutely piss-poor execution" because that isn't even scratching the surface. A 'movement' like this was bound to have crazies fill its metaphorical ranks by a dime a dozen especially in this time and era, and its bitten them in the ass big time with how the internet in general sees them.
Honestly I would just advice anyone here to [URL="http://imgur.com/gallery/X7SQZ"]read this Imgur post about a BLM protest from the inside[/URL]. Just to restore some faith in humanity again. Because things like [QUOTE=Jordax;51103291]BLM only cares when it is some thug who tries to shoot the police gets gunned down, that's when they start rioting in those cities and towns for a solid week.[/QUOTE] are just excessive generalizations. There are absolute scum in this group who have defended individuals that have been shot by the police and the police was absolutely in the right in doing so. But the opposite is also the case. It's really like AnnieOakley says. The movement exists all across of the United States. There isn't an official rite you have to pass to be able to claim your are part of the movement. You just say you support BLM and then you are BLM. And your actions will be used to judge the group as a whole. The group ranges from reasonable and considerate towards both police officers and the TRUE victims of police brutality - and lowlife thugs looking to have a reason to create chaos.
[QUOTE=RaptorJGW;51103389][URL="http://imgur.com/gallery/X7SQZ"]read this Imgur post about a BLM protest from the inside[/URL].[/QUOTE] Still doing the Hands up don't shoot chant and championing Mike Brown as a victim. Fuck BLM
Or you could appreciate police officers, think these executions are horrible, still support BLM, and also think that there are common-sense reforms that need to be added to reduce structural racism. Seriously, reading you all call BLM a racist organization makes me cringe 2x as hard as when I see activists chant about frying pigs in bacon.
That video is some powerful shit. A lot of my family are first responders and seeing those cops get shot down in cold blood is dispicable. I'm positive all that those cops wanted to do was help protect their community and clean it up for their children and the children of others. Absolutely disgusting. I hope this video makes it to Facebook where it's harder to ignore. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Flameon;51103447]Or you could appreciate police officers, think these executions are horrible, still support BLM, and also think that there are common-sense reforms that need to be added to reduce structural racism. Seriously, reading you all call BLM a racist organization makes me cringe 2x as hard as when I see activists chant about frying pigs in bacon.[/QUOTE] You're being a dingus
[QUOTE=KommradKommisar;51103463]That video is some powerful shit. A lot of my family are first responders and seeing those cops get shot down in cold blood is dispicable. I'm positive all that those cops wanted to do was help protect their community and clean it up for their children and the children of others. Absolutely disgusting. I hope this video makes it to Facebook where it's harder to ignore. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] You're being a dingus[/QUOTE] Why? The point of BLM is to protest racial discrepancies in use of force and sentencing with police. Do you think those discrepancies exist or not? if not you are likely inclined to think of them as just "making things worse" - if you think racism still exists in the United States at an institutional or structural level, then you obviously come to a diff conclusion.
What's the US gov doing to get the situation under control?
[QUOTE=joshuadim;51103235]I've held off on saying it until now, but after seeing how BLM cares little for cops and their families and the impact of the losses (especially the little 4 year old boy of the cop who got killed): Black Lives Matter is a racist, disgusting, bigoted movement.[/QUOTE] I realize a video like this is bound to create some strong emotions, but it just doesnt make sense to take the worst of a massive group and represent them by it. That goes for both police and blacklivesmatter activists in this case... that said, there is an argument to be made along the lines of there being an actual hiring process for police, wheras there is none for BLM. What im posting for is to try to make sure we dont make the exact same mistakes. Get to the heart of the issue, don't just say "Black lives matter is racist blah blah" "cops are racist blah blah" Go into detail. The issue of their name asside, my view on BLM's message is that it lacks coherency and detail. Its an honest problem with an honest feeling of hopelessness that leads to people screaming "all cops should die" in the streets. Keep in mind part of the problem is that poor neighborhoods with awful education are majority black... poorly educated people CAN do better than this with the right message, but right now the lack of education mixed with a vague (they are lacking detail, again, notice a theme yet?) message is leaving idiots to fill in the blanks with every color of the rainbow.
Didn't expect to be crying today. This video is put together well and it highlights the violence that police face all the time.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51102912]I've said it before and I'll say it again. BLM is absolute racist trash and I just can't understand why aren't they treating them as a domestic terrorist, black supremacist group. People here on FP even go as far as to defend these scumbags.[/QUOTE] When BLM started off, I was in full support and defended them constantly on FP. They had really great arguments, but as time progressed, the radicals took hold and they started ignoring gang violence and black-on-black violence. Statistics outweighed them and it became nothing more than Facebook activism. I don't think domestic terrorism is what i would label BLM tho
"started ignoring gang violence and black-on-black violence" Lord have mercy. Deflection is not a critique. "HEY! Why are you protesting X when you COULD be protesting Y?" What if, hear me out, both are bad and im just choosing to focus my time and effort on X for the time-being?
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[QUOTE=Flameon;51103730]"started ignoring gang violence and black-on-black violence" Lord have mercy. Deflection is not a critique. "HEY! Why are you protesting X when you COULD be protesting Y?" What if, hear me out, both are bad and im just choosing to focus my time and effort on X for the time-being?[/QUOTE] I think the main reason why your argument doesn't work here is that they hold the kind of people who are the cause of black-on-black violence as martyr as long as it was the police that defended themselves against them.
[QUOTE=Flameon;51103730]"started ignoring gang violence and black-on-black violence" Lord have mercy. Deflection is not a critique. "HEY! Why are you protesting X when you COULD be protesting Y?" What if, hear me out, both are bad and im just choosing to focus my time and effort on X for the time-being?[/QUOTE] Remember this image that you guys like to post? [url=http://postimg.org/image/p2m8ikea7/][img]http://s11.postimg.org/p2m8ikea7/JRIhx7_ON122_O3_KDRdre1tlvhy_Tt_Jjd_Qp_XYHe7r_Ne_EAY.jpg[/img][/url] Black on black violence is the house that's on fire that is being ignored. Police on black violence is the house that isn't on fire that there's a country-wide protest about.
[QUOTE=erkor;51103316]at this point i understand why the us police is so trigger-happy if this shit keeps on fucking happening[/QUOTE] If American policemen can agree (and they've already have, numerous times) that they have a problem with a number of trigger-happy officers, BLM [U]should[/U] agree that they have a problem with thugs who have a problem with authority. But they won't do it, under any circumstance. And it's getting infuriating.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51103916]Remember this image that you guys like to post? [url=http://postimg.org/image/p2m8ikea7/][img]http://s11.postimg.org/p2m8ikea7/JRIhx7_ON122_O3_KDRdre1tlvhy_Tt_Jjd_Qp_XYHe7r_Ne_EAY.jpg[/img][/url] Black on black violence is the house that's on fire that is being ignored. Police on black violence is the house that isn't on fire that there's a country-wide protest about.[/QUOTE] If you want to protest black on black violence feel free. There are tons of organizations that are doing so now. What you *will* notice is that these organizations rarely, if ever, call for more policing of black communities as the solution that violence? Why is that do you think? The reason your analogy fails is that a lot of black people don't view the police as resolving that black on black violence. If the presence of law enforcement is perceived as an invading force instead of a protection against crime, then more police presence is not going to resolve "black on black" crime. In short, these are tandem strategies. People that protest black-on-black crime are benefited from organizations like Black Lives Matter because they make police officers more accountable, trustworthy, and transparent - which in turn better allows the police to make a difference in assisting the victims in black on black crime.
[QUOTE=Flameon;51103730]"started ignoring gang violence and black-on-black violence" Lord have mercy. Deflection is not a critique. "HEY! Why are you protesting X when you COULD be protesting Y?" What if, hear me out, both are bad and im just choosing to focus my time and effort on X for the time-being?[/QUOTE] What if, and hear me out, X is to a large degree caused by Y? A disproportionate number of black people are killed by the police, yes... compared to their population. When you look at how disproportionately often black people commit violent crimes, I think it's actually surprising how few of them get shot to death. Black people compose about 12-13% of the population. About 25% of people killed by police on-duty are black ([url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/]26% last year[/url], so far about [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/]24% this year[/url]) Meanwhile, about 28.3% of people charged with a crime are black. 38.7% of people charged with violent crime are black. 56.4% of people charged with robbery are black. 52.2 percent of people charged with murder or non-negligent manslaughter are black. [url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43]All according to the FBI[/url]. And for that matter, about [url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2014/tables/table_47_leos_fk_race_and_sex_of_known_offender_2005-2014.xls]40% of officers feloniously killed in the line of duty were, you guessed it, killed by a black person.[/url] You can't fix police disproportionately killing black people, before you fix black people being disproportionately violent. You have to get to the root of the problem instead of trying to fix a single dying leaf.
[QUOTE=_Axel;51103768]I think the main reason why your argument doesn't work here is that they hold the kind of people who are the cause of black-on-black violence as martyr as long as it was the police that defended themselves against them.[/QUOTE] I understand your point. At the same time, I do not interpret them as saying "X-person was flawless, a second coming of Christ" and more-so saying "despite what this person did, they did not deserve to be killed in the streets." If they are martyrs, it is only in the sense that they deaths function as magnifying glasses to incriminate a larger institutional issue. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=elowin;51103946]What if, and hear me out, X is to a large degree caused by Y? A disproportionate number of black people are killed by the police, yes... compared to their population. When you look at how disproportionately often black people commit violent crimes, I think it's actually surprising how few of them get shot to death. Black people compose about 12-13% of the population. About 25% of people killed by police on-duty are black ([url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/]26% last year[/url], so far about [url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/]24% this year[/url]) Meanwhile, about 28.3% of people charged with a crime are black. 38.7% of people charged with violent crime are black. 56.4% of people charged with robbery are black. 52.2 percent of people charged with murder or non-negligent manslaughter are black. [url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43]All according to the FBI[/url]. And for that matter, about [url=https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka/2014/tables/table_47_leos_fk_race_and_sex_of_known_offender_2005-2014.xls]40% of officers feloniously killed in the line of duty were, you guessed it, killed by a black person.[/url] You can't fix police disproportionately killing black people, before you fix black people being disproportionately violent.[/QUOTE] whats your fix? because more of the same style of policing we have seen is an ex-post-facto solution which is empirically unsuccessful, generates backlash, and also kills a number of innocents. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] to be clear I am not disagreeing with your data, just what you think it all means / what conclusions it lends itself to.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51103934]If American policemen can agree (and they've already have, numerous times) that they have a problem with a number of trigger-happy officers, BLM [U]should[/U] agree that they have a problem with thugs who have a problem with authority. But they won't do it, under any circumstance. And it's getting infuriating.[/QUOTE] BLM is a leaderless movement literally anyone can use. It can range from people who are trying as hard as they can to cooperate with the police to the people in the video. It can't agree to that because there's no one who speaks for all of the movement to do so. It's wrong to label it as anything really. Anyway watching this video and seeing replies in the thread really makes me realize how good we have it in the UK when it comes to race relations between the police and black communities, at least in London. Though I guess that comes down to the fact our government didn't treat black people as scum for decades. I feel terrible for both sides and it only looks like the country is going to be only further divided on the issue. That is some seriously scary shit the cops have to go through.
[QUOTE=Flameon;51103941]The reason your analogy fails is that a lot of black people don't view the police as resolving that black on black violence. If the presence of law enforcement is perceived as an invading force instead of a protection against crime, then more police presence is not going to resolve "black on black" crime.[/QUOTE] Don't you think BLM actually [B]contributes[/B] to this issue? The problem, as you pointed out, is one of [I]perception.[/I] Doesn't BLM promote an erroneous and vilified perception of the police when they accuse them of being murderers regardless of whether it was justified? Should it really come off as surprising that black people don't view the police as resolving black on black violence if every time they actually do they get publicly accused of murdering an innocent? You talk about holding the police accountable, but what about recognizing their positive impact on the community? Wouldn't that be even more efficient at making black people trust them and respect them? Hell, maybe even join them? The only thing that BLM is achieving right now is fuel the hate towards the police. If their goal is to strengthen the bond between the police and black communities, they are incredibly misguided. [QUOTE]In short, these are tandem strategies. People that protest black-on-black crime are benefited from organizations like Black Lives Matter because they make police officers more accountable, trustworthy, and transparent - which in turn better allows the police to make a difference in assisting the victims in black on black crime.[/QUOTE] Or, BLM paints the police in really broad strokes, antagonizing them even more - which in turn further prevents the police from properly protecting the very people who protest against them. What about the [I]really obvious solution[/I] of encouraging black people to join the police? Wouldn't that be far more efficient than merely protesting for change? Why doesn't BLM do it? My bet is that it's because their movement is [I]ideological[/I] rather than [I]rational.[/I] Its goal is to show that the police are not trustworthy, not to actually solve the problem and they will work towards that goal even if it means protesting actually justified shooting of criminals to strengthen the narrative.
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