• The Video That BLM does not want you to see.
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[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51104678]Won't happen, GOP has too much of a grip on the government and they have no interest in doing so. The sad fact is, many people don't actually give a fuck about the troubles Blacks in poverty go through (see poll below), since it doesn't effect them in any way and when they (blacks) feel angry, BLM happens, making people give even less fucks about them. [t] https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/MJL9diB4TYgk2aHr1ChIvn3L9hw=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7085317/Trump%20and%20Clinton%20race.jpg [/t] You clearly don't know shit. Even Clinton has a worrying amount of racists voting for her. This poll combined with the video in the OP has made me feel pretty shitty, to be honest. So much ignorance and hate is rife through the western world these days, it genuinely upsets me.[/QUOTE] Thinking a culture needs to be worked on is certainly not racist. The black community has cultivated a culture that has maintained a lack of values. Saying that all disparities in the black community is at the hands of "white folk" is certainly biggoted and an easy excuse for actually trying to solve issues at hand, which is exactly what Clinton is doing.
This video just reminds me how disgusting it is when people say stupid things like, "Man, that cop should have waited until he saw the gun when the guy reached into his pocket." As soon as you willingly choose to not obey an officer's command, you've immediately put that officer in a tough spot. For all they know, you've got a gun in your pocket and it could only take a split second for you to pull it out and kill the cop on the spot.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51105061]This video just reminds me how disgusting it is when people say stupid things like, "Man, that cop should have waited until he saw the gun when the guy reached into his pocket." As soon as you willingly choose to not obey an officer's command, you've immediately put that officer in a tough spot. For all they know, you've got a gun in your pocket and it could only take a split second for you to pull it out and kill the cop on the spot.[/QUOTE] Can't repost this enough. The officer doesn't want to draw his gun, and as long as you comply with the officer, nothing will go south. Unfortunately, people believe that this only applies to white people. There's a whole generation raised on the "fight or flight" response, when neither is correct. The moment you start to resist an officer, they will tense up and start to fear for their own life.
Of the 990 police killings last year (That is, deaths by officers, not of), 73.7% of them where determined "Attack in Progress", of the 26.3% that wasn't "Attack in Progress", 50 (~5%) were unarmed (43 "Attack in Progress" cases were unarmed, totaling 93 (9.3%) unarmed killings by police last year). Of the 50 unarmed, non "Attack in Progress" killings, 19 were black, 16 were white, 11 were hispanic, 4 were "other" (I believe Native American), and all but 2 were male. A word of warning: I began to feel sick after watching the videos, and reading the cases of those killed below, even when I personally considered it justified. If you can't handle things like this, please don't look further into the videos of what I have listed below, and I may even advise against reading the list, if you believe it will impact you that much. It is not a light topic. Here is why each individual case of those 50 occurred (again, all were unarmed), feel free to form your own opinions on them; 1) Suspect John Paul Quintero - Officer was informed beforehand that John had a knife, he was shot when reaching for his waistband 2)Autumn Steele - Officer was shooting at the family dog (reason unconfirmed), and Steele was struck on accident 3) Joshua Omar Garcia - Garcia was handcuffed in the front seat of a patrol car following a chase by police, he was shot by the arresting officer when he attempted to drive away with the vehicle 4) Ralph Willis - Suspect in a homicide, he was shot when making a threatening gesture at the officer 5) David Kassick - Shocked with a taser, then shot twice in the back as he lay on the ground, unable to comply with the officers orders 6) Joaquin Hernandez - Shot in a vehicle in the crossfire of a gun battle between his friend, and pursuing officers 7) Antonio Zambrano-Montes - Tased and shot by 3 officers after throwing rocks at their vehicles, reportedly struggled with mental illness 8) Richard Carlin - Under arrest for a warrant, following a previous case in which he fired on police with a sawed-off shotgun, refused to follow police orders and was shot following an unconfirmed explosion in his house 9) Lavall Hall - His mother called 911 because he stood outside in the cold wearing only his underwear, Hall was shot after refusing to put down a broomstick 10) Michael Ireland - Shot during a confrontation with police after a foot chase 11) Ruben Villalpando - Shot after a chase with police, continued to walk towards officers, hands raised, ignoring their orders to stop 12) Daniel Elrond - Robbery suspect, shot after disobeying order to show his hands to the officer 13) Alexander Phillip Long - Rammed law enforcement vehicles belonging to officers trying to arrest him, was shot after refusing to show his hands, and reaching inside his jacket 14) Rodney Biggs - After hitting a lightpole, police claim he refused to exit his car, and reached for a gun. Family claims the police attempted to forcibly remove him first, before shooting him in the neck, supposedly had chronic pain that would have limited his ability to move 15) Thomas Allen - Passenger in a vehicle stopped by police, when attempting to drive away, an officer climbed in the vehicle, Allen was shot during the altercation 16) Derek Cruice - Was shot in the face while officers were searching his home for narcotic (with a warrant) 17) Sergio Alexander Navas - Shot during a car chase with police, attempted to flee after being shot, but died on the sidewalk due to his injury 18) Anthony Hill - Naked, and acting erratically, was shot after running at an officer, confirmed to have mental issues 19) Bobby Gross - Mostly naked, shot after charging officers with a large tree branch, reportedly "troubled" 20) Antonio Perez - After fleeing a traffic stop and car wreck, was shot while reaching for his waistband 21) Eric Harris - After being subdued by police, an officer reportedly accidentally shot him, instead of using his taser 22) Walter Scott - Shot after fleeing traffic stop and struggle, reportedly attempted to grab officers taser (video only shows Scott seemingly swinging his hand up at the officer, turning, running, and falling after several shots from the officer, difficult to come to a conclusion) 23) Frank Shepherd - Shot after fleeing from the police in a vehicle, climbed out of the window of his car, refused to raise his hands, and reached back into the car (Victims uncle spoke out, saying neither side was in the right) 24) Daniel Covarrubias - Shot after pulling an object on police in the dark (unidentifiable), object was revealed to be a cellphone, confirmed to have mental issues 25) Hector Morejon - Shot after extending his arm towards the officer, who believed he was holding a gun 26) Fridoon Zalbeg Nehad - Police called on a suspect carrying around a knife. Nehad advanced on police, carrying a "shiny object", before being shot, object confirmed not to have been a knife 27) Feras Morad - Witnesses say Morad had been acting erratically. After jumping from the second story of a building, began to advance towards police, while threatening to attack, before being shot 28) Ryan Bolinger - During a traffic stop, reportedly acted erratically, before leading police on a chase, exiting his vehicle, then advancing on an officer 29) Kris Jackson - Police were responding to a 911 call about a woman screaming and crying, Jackson was shot while trying to climb out of a motel window 30) Adrian Simental - Police were called on reports that Simental was attempting to break into a house, neighbors claim that Simental screamed at the officers to shoot him 31) Joshua Dyer - Passenger in suspects car during car chase, was caught in the crossfire when the driver began to back the car towards officers 32) Spencer McCain - Police were called for domestic violence. McCain threatened to commit suicide, and acted as though he were carrying a weapon 33) Johnny Ray Anderson - Was shot after police responded to an attempted break-in on the property 34) Samuel DuBose - Stopped for missing license plate, before attempting to drive away. Officer shot him in the head 35) Darren Billy Wilson - Officers were called for domestic disturbance, Wilson was shot after threatening officers with a stick 36) Christian Taylor - After driving his SUV into a car dealership, police were called on a burglary in progress, Taylor was shot in the showroom 37) Richard Jacquez - Suspect in homicide, was shot after fleeing from a car crash 38) Felix Kumi - Police were conducting an undercover gun sting operation. The suspect (Not Kumi) pointed a gun at an officer's head, Kumi was accidentally caught in the crossfire 39) Keith Harrison McLeod - Attempted to fill a prescription that had been forged, was killed after the police chased and confronted him 40) Omar Ali - Was called after assaulting his girlfriend in a bar. Upon refusing to exit the bar, police broke the door down, Ali began to reach into his waistband, and was shot 41) Bennie Lee Tignor - Led police on a chase during a traffic stop. While the officer attempted to take him into custody, he repeatedly tried to break free, before seemingly picking up a weapon (stick or rock of some sort), the officer told him to drop it, before shooting him. 42) Jeremy Mardis - 6 year old caught in the crossfire while police were chasing his father (fleeing in a car) 43) Timothy Gene Smith - Officers were attempting to arrest him on a warrent, was shot after fleeing and refusing to show officers his hands 44) Derry Touchstone - Approached an officer before assaulting him 45) Andrew Thomas - After fleeing from the police, crashed and rolled his car, while the officer was approaching the vehicle his weapon misfired, paralyzing, and later killing Thomas 46) Miguel Espinal - Lead police on a car chase, before crashing, and fleeing into a wooded area 47) Michael Noel - Was shot while resisting officer's attempts to handcuff him. His family had called 911 to attempt to help Noel, who was struggling with mental health. Noel assaulted both officers, and after being told to stop by one, was shot once. Neither officer had been trained to handle such a case 48) Kevin Matthews - Police were attempting to arrest him after a probation violation, Matthews was shot after struggling with the officer 49) Bettie Jones - Police were responding to a domestic violence call, Jones was reportedly shot on accident after answering the shared front door 50) Keith Childress - Was being served a warrant, was shot after officers mistook his cellphone for a weapon After looking through the cases, watching videos, and reading the reports, I personally concluded that in 13 of these cases, police were in the wrong. That totals to ~1.3% of all police killings in 2015 (Keep in mind, research was only done on shootings that were fatal, the suspect was unarmed, and the officer was not called in for an attack already in progress). Feel free to dispute my opinion on any of these cases (I originally posted this elsewhere, and the ones I had determined that the police were in the wrong were labeled somehow, but I don't have the time to go back and do so another time). People need to be educated, above all else, to not flee, threaten, assault, or blatantly ignore simple orders from a cop. Police, no matter how well trained, are still humans. They can only take so much, even under the best possible training, few people would still be able to think perfectly rationally while they believe their life is in danger. It would be ideal for cops to do so, but that simply isn't possible.
[video=youtube;M42EoG1QPnU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M42EoG1QPnU[/video] I just want to mention very quickly that the song is Stephen - Crossfire. He's a great and genuine producer, and the song's lyrics try to reflect recent controversial events.
[QUOTE=dimitrik129;51104952]Thinking a culture needs to be worked on is certainly not racist. The black community has cultivated a culture that has maintained a lack of values. Saying that all disparities in the black community is at the hands of "white folk" is certainly biggoted and an easy excuse for actually trying to solve issues at hand, which is exactly what Clinton is doing.[/QUOTE] [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1535642&p=51107209&viewfull=1#post51107209]spoke too soon, was retarded[/url]
[QUOTE=Firecat;51104117]The thing I don't think a lot of people really think about is that black on black crime is basically just crime w/o a care of what race it is. I'm sure you can easily find people that don't give a shit about their community overall enough to stop what they are doing just because it's one of their own race, much like how a lot of white persons wouldn't go to commit a crime and be like, "oh shit he's white, i need to find some other race, white power buddy". I can assure you that if you find some some black person in a poverty stricken area with a predominately black community, he's more than likely not going to give a shit about what race becomes the victim when in his mind he's trying to feed his daughter. And when it comes to gangs- as long as ghettos are in a system where gangs thrive, people are born into them, need protection, a community to fall back on because they lack it at home, or are simply affiliated into them because of what block they live on, they will always exist, there's not much you can do about it without risking your well being even more. When your in a gang and while you may be cool with some people, when in your mind you have a shit ton of people that could be out to get you, your going to become a part of the thinking process too because your not just gonna let yourself become a victim because the other person is the same race as you and you think your on good terms because of it. Not to mention how in some of these areas like 80% of the people could be black like you.[/QUOTE] Yeah I agree with this. I think that trying to associate "black on black crime" with the issues of BLM is apples to oranges. People who bring it up and say stuff like "All Lives Matter" definitely have their heart in the right place but I feel like its a misguided sentiment that comes from taking the name of the movement at face value and a little bit too literally. The implicit word in Black Lives Matter is that "Black Lives ALSO Matter" as opposed to "Black Lives ONLY Matter" and thats where I feel where people go wrong in criticizing its name. Regardless of all of that, I hope that more peaceful protests occur and issues are solved with the cooperation of everyone involved. Ive seen so much good being done thats associated with these movements and I hope that there arent any more violent outbursts that spoil it all for everyone. It does seem really tough to keep things that are as high tension as they are out of unruly territory though. Its easy to understand how protests can get to be that way when stuff like the Vancouver Riots happened over a hockey game. What we need is more people that stand up and lead imo, and I think thinks are definitely moving in the positive direction on that
[QUOTE=Mobon1;51105488]So black people should be "worked on" because you think your non-black "culture" (stereotype) is superior.[/QUOTE] Point out where he said anything about superior culture. It's instigating assholes like you that are the reason we're so backwards right now, taking everything at face value.
[QUOTE=Mobon1;51105488]So black people should be "worked on" because you think your non-black "culture" (stereotype) is superior.[/QUOTE] My mistake for thinking that black on black crime taking up 93% of all crime in the community is something that shouldn't be happening. Wanting to lower that statistic is a racist thing, right?
[QUOTE=Mobon1;51105488]So black people should be "worked on" because you think your non-black "culture" (stereotype) is superior.[/QUOTE] If you think that "black community needs to change"="I'm a racist" you are racist yourself and consider "black culture" to be superior. Just because you are being oppressed (which, before you say something, I consider to be a bad thing) doesn't mean you are a saint yourself nor does it stop you from being an oppressor as well.
[QUOTE=Mobon1;51105488]So black people should be "worked on" because you think your non-black "culture" (stereotype) is superior.[/QUOTE] You're correct, evidently the culture in which it's more popular for fathers to abandon their children (72% of all black families), it's more popular to commit crimes (Between roughly 52% and 67% of all violent crimes are committed by blacks), to not get a high school education (73% graduate high school , comparatively 87% of whites, 89% of Asians, and 76% of Hispanics do) meaning 10,510,916 African Americans didn't, or won't, graduate high school, of the 38,929,319, and to not graduate college (between 34% males and 46% females do), is very clearly a "superior culture".
[QUOTE=PyroWolfBlade;51105672]You're correct, evidently the culture in which it's more popular for fathers to abandon their children (72% of all black families), it's more popular to commit crimes (Between roughly 52% and 67% of all violent crimes are committed by blacks), to not get a high school education (73% graduate high school , comparatively 87% of whites, 89% of Asians, and 76% of Hispanics do) meaning 10,510,916 African Americans didn't, or won't, graduate high school, of the 38,929,319, and to not graduate college (between 34% males and 46% females), is very clearly a "superior culture".[/QUOTE] Do you think that this might be because of some other more complex underlying socioeconomic issues rather than a monolithic "black culture"? [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=dimitrik129;51105623]My mistake for thinking that 93 percent of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks is something that shouldn't be happening. Wanting to lower that statistic is a racist thing, right?[/QUOTE] Thats most certainly not a racist thing to desire, but the way you worded your original posts insinuates that you think that all of the "black communities" problems are their own fault. See: "The black community has cultivated a culture that has maintained a lack of values." That's a pretty ignorant way of thinking and is turning a blind eye to the larger history that has contributed to these statistics.
[QUOTE=Mobon1;51105488]So black people should be "worked on" because you think your non-black "culture" (stereotype) is superior.[/QUOTE] People like you who deny the issues in black American culture are the worst. You pretend to be righteous while condoning the self destructive attitudes that pervade poor black communities. It's the same as morons who excuse child brides in the Middle East because "It's their culture, you can't claim your culture is better than theirs." When black communities feel the police are out to get them, when it is the police themselves who are at a larger risk, you have a problem. When successful black people are insulted for 'trying to be white' you have a problem. When the government spends millions on programs to promote upward mobility and community support, but people feel like they're being abandoned you have a problem. Those are the things which need to be worked on, on both sides. You don't fix problems by saying "Well that's just how they are. It'd be racist to try to help them improve themselves." You don't fix problems by going out in the street and chanting that you want "dead cops". You fix these problems by making sure the communities trust the police, that people aren't ashamed of success, and that people feel like they have opportunities to learn and grow.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51105875]Do you think that this might be because of some other more complex underlying socioeconomic issues rather than a monolithic "black culture"?[/QUOTE] The problem i think is from what i understand, that the culture as a result doesnt really help in combating that, so it causes the situation to at least plateau and at most worsen.
I think that the issues that pervade black communities come more from poverty, a lack of opportunity and social mobility, poor education, etc. It's a cycle (see Firecats posts on the topic). There isn't anything inherently wrong with any kind of "black culture" (whatever that means). The issues that lie in their "culture" are symptoms of larger issues that have come from a very long and complex history of discrimination and disenfranchisement.
I would love to see the statistics for black people, or even all people, who 1) never did drugs, 2) didn't have a baby before getting married, and 3) graduated high school (even if the school was crap). I would be very surprised to find that the average person, no matter what color, who did those three things wasn't able to eventually rise out of poverty during their own lifetime. I mean, just the fatherless household issue is enough to damn mass numbers of children to an extremely difficult life. It's hard enough for a wealthy single parent to raise a child. I can't even imagine trying to raise a kid as a single parent while also living in poverty. It would be soul crushing. [editline]25th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Duck M.;51105972]I think that the issues that pervade black communities come more from poverty, a lack of opportunity and social mobility, poor education, etc. It's a cycle (see Firecats posts on the topic). There isn't anything inherently wrong with any kind of "black culture" (whatever that means). The issues that lie in their "culture" are symptoms of larger issues that have come from a very long and complex history of discrimination and disenfranchisement.[/QUOTE] I don't know if I buy that. The black family was extremely strong after the abolition of slavery. It didn't really start to fall apart until much later (the big shifts were after the 1960s). Is the oppression today really greater than it was under Jim Crow laws?
I think the reason some people give BLM the benefit of the doubt still is because their only exposure has been mostly peaceful, like where I live, where there hasn't really been any big racial tensions or violent protests are dead cop chanting like you see in some other cities.
[QUOTE=Flameon;51104763]We are seeing the same cases, we disagree on if a.) they are threats to people as opposed to probable threats[/QUOTE] It's pretty easy to posit that a potential threat wasn't actually one after it was neutralized. Of course there's no way of being sure it was indeed a threat if any harm it could have caused has been prevented. The only way to ensure someone is a threat is to let him kill someone. In the field, police officers aren't omniscient and when they identify a probable threat, they have to make a choice. What matters is that their choice is one that minimises the likelihood of harm or death of innocents. [QUOTE]b.) if lethal force is justified.[/QUOTE] Lethal force is justified against someone who is an immediate lethal threat to others. [QUOTE]Seems to me you don't support a great deal of their policy prescriptions.[/QUOTE] Unless those prescriptions are to make police officers into bullet sponges, I fail to see what you mean by that.
BLM is such a gagglefuck. It's pretty pathetic how pissed they get if you say 'all lives matter'. THIS is what we need more of even if it seems corny: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59kJXOLbKg[/media] I mean look at the hate that guy gets...for fucking hugging people. The mentality of these "protesters" is just beyond belief. Something so small and genuine can cause so much triggering. I mean good grief, some people don't want peace. They really really don't. Because if there's peace, well then what excuse do they have, what excuse can they make?? What's next for them? They don't want to move on. They are so hell bent on staying where they're at, being mad and wanting attention. Does that mean you should just pretend like an accidental murder means nothing? No. But protests (if you can call them that, more like riots) like this, is not how you change things. All it does is further the divide. Honestly, if you take a deep breath and step back, race isn't a big issue at all in my opinion. People calling for a total law enforcement makeover...it's fucking stupid. If you look at how many law enforcement officers there are compared to incidents like this happening, it's a small percentage. But these incidents get inflated to the maximum degree to make it seem like there's some massive racial problem epidemic. There isn't.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51105875]Do you think that this might be because of some other more complex underlying socioeconomic issues rather than a monolithic "black culture"?[/QUOTE] I used the word culture to show the parallelisms in my argument against the original statement. I'm very much so aware that many of these issues stem from concepts far too complex to write off as "It's just their culture", however, I'm also not stating that it isn't because of their culture. A bit of anecdote, I've known many black people throughout my life, at different ages, and I personally noticed that at a young age, they were virtually indistinguishable from myself, at least in thought process. It wasn't until around the time I was going into high school, at which point I was no longer in poverty, and was now living in a middle-class neighborhood, that I noticed the way they thought, and their actions, began to change. One of the most common phrases I know heard from the black people around me was "Is it because I'm black", or things of the sort. What I'm trying to say there, and I know I may not have displayed it in the best way, was that clearly it was down to their culture, to a degree. In their culture, as a father it's popular to abandon your children, regardless of if it's because of economic reasons. It's popular to get pregnant at a young age, due to unsafe sex when they're young. It's popular to be loud, and opinionated. It's popular to believe that all white people look down on you, and I could see it in their eyes as I walked through the halls that they did, ignorant to the fact that I'd grown up in similar or worse situations than they had. It was also, however, unpopular to engage in academics. In school, I always went into higher classes, because I knew that it would have the best turnout for me. I'd grown up poor, I'd lived homeless, and I didn't want my kids to one day have to experience that, so I made it my goal to make sure they didn't. I joined many after school programs that I knew would get colleges to notice me, I played football, even when I knew it was dangerous, because I knew it would make my chances of getting into college better, and I worked my ass off. I knew that my situation growing up was entirely the fault of my parents, and they knew that too. These sentiments, and these actions, I noticed, were never followed by the black kids at my school, even when it was presented to them, even if they knew it was well within their capabilities. I never saw any black kids around me after school, or in programs that would promise them even somewhat of a college scholarship. They were well within their ability to take action for themselves, and pull themselves out of the situations that they always complained about, and yet I never noticed them doing so, even in a school that was roughly 1/4 black. Instead, I always heard about how they were getting suspended for having sex under the staircase, or getting into fights every other day. These were products of the way that they were raised, and the people that they chose to be around. It only takes one person to take actions into their own hands, and change their position in life. They made the decision not to, because their culture didn't commonly accept it.
Well that made me sick. This shit need's to get sorted.
[QUOTE=USAFMike;51106154]BLM is such a gagglefuck. It's pretty pathetic how pissed they get if you say 'all lives matter'. THIS is what we need more of even if it seems corny: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59kJXOLbKg[/media] I mean look at the hate that guy gets...for fucking hugging people. The mentality of these "protesters" is just beyond belief. Something so small and genuine can cause so much triggering. I mean good grief, some people don't want peace. They really really don't. Because if there's peace, well then what excuse do they have, what excuse can they make?? What's next for them? They don't want to move on. They are so hell bent on staying where they're at, being mad and wanting attention. Does that mean you should just pretend like an accidental murder means nothing? No. But protests (if you can call them that, more like riots) like this, is not how you change things. All it does is further the divide. Honestly, if you take a deep breath and step back, race isn't a big issue at all in my opinion. People calling for a total law enforcement makeover...it's fucking stupid. If you look at how many law enforcement officers there are compared to incidents like this happening, it's a small percentage. But these incidents get inflated to the maximum degree to make it seem like there's some massive racial problem epidemic. There isn't.[/QUOTE] My biggest issue with any kind of "racially" influenced event is there's always the outcry afterwards. I'm not saying that a cop shooting an unarmed black kid is good, but there's a reason for shit like that to happen. It's horrible when it does happen and IMO nobody is at fault in that kind of situation except for ones where there was clearly no reason for the cop to use lethal force. Probably gonna get boxed to hell for this but it's important to think about why cops act the way they do around black people. If a cop sees an escalade with tinted windows and smoke rolling out the passenger side, he's gonna pull your ass over because you might have drugs. You might have guns. You might possess something of illegal nature. That is not "racial profiling", it's probable cause. To a black community it might be racial profiling, and I guess technically, it is. But it's a form of profiling caused by black communities themselves. That's the image they have painted for themselves over 3 or 4 generations. So what is a cop supposed to think when he pulls that car over and sees a dude reach into his jacket? What's he supposed to think when the driver or passenger get out and start walking towards him? The first thought is "my life might be in danger." Why? Because that's the image they've gotten by acting the way they do. I'm not saying that white people can't be profiled like this, because they are. I always thought it was common knowledge to keep your hands where an officer can see them and follow every order they tell you. I remember reading an article awhile back about a black guy that got pulled over. He took his hands off the wheel, kept them held up, and said "Officer, I would like to let you know that my ID and registration are in my middle console. I have a conceal carry license and my firearm is also located in there as well. I am going to slowly open it so you can look inside and take the firearm from the console." The cop was chill, the black guy was chill, nobody got shot, and everything was fine. But you don't hear about these types of stories on the global news. You don't hear about the good ones. I remember reading a story a couple years ago about a black kid who saw a white teenage girl get kidnapped. He chased the car on his bike and followed it for miles while talking to the police on his phone. Because of him that girl's life was saved. No 24/7 news outlet even mentioned that. What the fuck is that all about? I believe there is a race problem, but it's not an "epidemic" as the media portrays it. The real epidemic is the media, and it always has been. It's a system built on ratings, and reporting on hundreds of violent crimes gets more viewers and ratings than talking about how there's a nice peaceful protest and nobody is getting shot.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;51106311]-snip-[/QUOTE] I couldn't agree with you more about the media being the real racist here. Having a racist narrative is what sells to the public and gets people rallied up about. People immediately believe almost all the new stories spread. There is a good book called Damned Lies and Statistics and it is all about how the media skews statistics and news stories to sell towards the public, because all they really care about is the output of money they get from the news stories sold.
this video is really heavy man, the editing and the choice of song make it more hard hitting
The media shit on everyone and generally are cancer in most countries. It's easy to forget both sides are mostly made up of decent human beings, who have more in common than not when the only thing you see in the papers or tv is cops gunning innocent people or BLM chanting that they want dead cops.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;51105917]People like you who deny the issues in black American culture are the worst. You pretend to be righteous while condoning the self destructive attitudes that pervade poor black communities. It's the same as morons who excuse child brides in the Middle East because "It's their culture, you can't claim your culture is better than theirs." When black communities feel the police are out to get them, when it is the police themselves who are at a larger risk, you have a problem. When successful black people are insulted for 'trying to be white' you have a problem. When the government spends millions on programs to promote upward mobility and community support, but people feel like they're being abandoned you have a problem. Those are the things which need to be worked on, on both sides. You don't fix problems by saying "Well that's just how they are. It'd be racist to try to help them improve themselves." You don't fix problems by going out in the street and chanting that you want "dead cops". You fix these problems by making sure the communities trust the police, that people aren't ashamed of success, and that people feel like they have opportunities to learn and grow.[/QUOTE] When did I ever say any of that? I'm not righteous by any stretch, and I'm not condoning any attitude. My thinking was that people of the same skin color don't all share a lack of values, or even a single overriding culture, which is what his post seemed to imply. Yes, there are a lot of horrible black people with horrible mindsets, just like every other race. Regardless, like you said, everyone needs to work together. Clearly, I should have read more into it before I posted, so I apologize for pushing anyone's buttons. Just try to understand that being with people on a daily basis who are genuinely progressive and operate outside of the quoted regressive mentalities makes you want to speak up.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51107313]Watched the video, only made me think of my favorite quote. “You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.”[/QUOTE] what about a oil spill (im talkin more bout the quote, not really about BLM/etc.)
God damn, videos like this are fucking powerful. Don't think i've ever felt so moved by a subject.
[QUOTE=shadow_oap;51104515]This video tries to manipulate you to think every time a cop is shot and killed by a black guy it's inspired by BLM. With that said, it's still very sad and I wish the message of peace was found in all protests. We need criminal justice reform.[/QUOTE] I'll admit that propaganda works both ways, but this video makes stronger points than just [I]"manipulating"[/I] Law enforcing officers are easily forgotten as human beings, that's why accidents happen on duty - but it's no accident for an individual to shout that they want dead cops, or to go as far as to shoot after them.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;51107313]Watched the video, only made me think of my favorite quote. “You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.”[/QUOTE] I prefer the reverse of "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." 'Never attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained by malice''. But then again, I've become fairly cynical over the last couple years.
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