• USA Correctional officer visits a luxurious norwegian prison
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is it just me or is the video quality quite dark
[QUOTE=Foogooman;50378552]The dark filter they put on this makes it hard to watch[/QUOTE] The original full length video doesn't have that dumb filter
I watched the whole video a while ago, and there's a few times when the US Warden says that he likes a few of the ideas. Pretty interesting show. One where they visit a farm where inmates are able to work with the animals and etc. is among the ones he had praise for due to teaching responsibility, discipline, hard work, etc. And most of the ones he reacts with skepticism to aren't even him saying they're 100% bad idea to use as in prison in Norway, but that they wouldn't work here, which is reasonable, in my opinion. This guy knows what happens in prisoners in the US get their hands on a metal fork or something similar. The types of criminal in the US and the type in Norway are two very different beasts, on average. There's another really neat one on Law Enforcement out there as well. It's a shame the OP video is a cut up version to present it as "NEANDERTHAL American reacts in horror to SUPERIOR Scandinavian system!" While showing someone who's used to a maximum security environment reacting to a minimum security one. And not the full clip with the interesting context and dialogue.
[QUOTE=Jodern;50377082]I know someone who went to prison once. He told me they had disco nights on Fridays. [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] Another form of punishment I suppose[/QUOTE] Every night is Karaoke night for those serving life sentence.
[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;50375858]When the guy says, "I think the crime victims would be opposed to this kind of living arrangement for the criminal." It highlights the difference between US and Nordic correctional systems. Prisoners in the US are sent to prison as a form of vengeance for the crime they have committed rather than to be truly rehabilitated back into society. However, I can't see a prison system like this working in the US. The US is not a welfare society and thus you'd probably end up with people purposefully committing crimes to get put into prison.[/QUOTE] It goes deeper than that, really. I think it reflects a fundamental difference between the two societies.
I think there would definitely be an outcry over a prison like this in the US, because as has been said before, it feels as though its rewarding criminals. I think for me at least, it would be like criminals are considered a higher priority than helping legal citizens that aren't as well off and would never be able to afford even these basic things. That isn't to say that I think that criminals deserve to live in the shitholes that we call prisons now, but that if there were to be reformations of the prison system actually taking effect like this, there should be even more of a focus on improving living conditions for poor people as well.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;50377611]That still doesn't mean Halden's standards in particular are responsible for the entire country's low return-to-crime rate.[/QUOTE] Maybe not. But the treatment of convicts is absolutely the biggest factor when it comes to reoffending. If we take criminals and separate them from society, dehumanise them, remove their rights, and keep them locked up for decades to brew, I can nearly guarantee that while they might not reoffend, they will be fucking impossible to reintegrate to society. In addition, we don't have a set offenders registry, and defendants are protected by law from the media, so they have a chance of living a normal life after their punishment. Out if the last ten people put in preventive detention, the toughest punishment there is, only three are known by name in the media.
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;50377200]Gentle reminder that halden is a model for Norwegian prisons that other prisons are taking important lessons from. Here's a "shittier" prison cell in Ila. It doesn't have the high standard as Halden, but it sure beats a lot of prisons in the rest of the world. [IMG]http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/54/541/541708/fengsel_960_1216958063.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] Man put a PS2 or a PS3 in that room and it's :ok:
[QUOTE=Fox Powers;50380250]Man put a PS2 or a PS3 in that room and it's :ok:[/QUOTE] If there was, prison would be the only place ever where Europeans are fatter than Americans :v:
[QUOTE=Treznor;50377819]I love how he fucking hates everything he looks at. I love my country.[/QUOTE] Yo can you buy me a one way ticket there?
[QUOTE=Tudd;50378355]Literally better then my Student "dorm" in Berlin.[/QUOTE] Around here I'd say that's about average for some of the dorms I've seen. Not as nice as some but a lot better than a few.
[QUOTE=Tudd;50378355]Literally better then my Student "dorm" in Berlin.[/QUOTE] It's not better because you can leave your dorm whenever you want
[QUOTE=Fox Powers;50380250]Man put a PS2 or a PS3 in that room and it's :ok:[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that Brevik wa given a PS2 at some point which he really bitched about and called a human right violation since he wanted GTA V
[QUOTE=WhyNott;50381352]I'm pretty sure that Brevik wa given a PS2 at some point which he really bitched about and called a human right violation since he wanted GTA V[/QUOTE] A PS2 and a computer actually.
To be honest there are a subset of American's that don't really want to rehabilitate criminals, or at least the more "hardcore" criminals. They're seen as monsters or just human garbage that they feel have nothing to offer to society.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;50376292]In the US, criminals have a very high rate of returning to crime. Norway has the single lowest return-to-crime rate after going to prison in the world. It works.[/QUOTE] I really, really, don't think that violent US offenders could ever go to a prison like this and not murder each other or escape. No way. White collar crime they could probably do and it would likely work very well. But I doubt if you put a bunch of hard gang bangers in a prison like this that they wouldn't get into fights and murder or maul each other or guards with all the means available to them or just escape.
I really think the whole "victims might feel that they are treated too well" thing is an issue with the people thinking it rather than the prison itself. In a society where public stoning, execution, chopping off hands for minor theft is common, anything less will be seen as "too light a punishment". It really isn't relevant to any discussions about some sort of better solution to prisons.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;50381899]I really, really, don't think that violent US offenders could ever go to a prison like this and not murder each other or escape. No way. White collar crime they could probably do and it would likely work very well. But I doubt if you put a bunch of hard gang bangers in a prison like this that they wouldn't get into fights and murder or maul each other or guards with all the means available to them or just escape.[/QUOTE] I am a CO. If we better addressed our drug problem through new legislation and a change in how we handle treatment for users, then this would work just fine in the US. Untreated addiction issues are the vast majority of my serious problems. Contrary to what you might imagine, Sex offenders and murderers are generally some of the easiest guys to work with. Granted they cover both ends of the spectrum, they can be the true monsters, but mostly they work like any other human being. Show them respect and it is returned in kind.
[QUOTE=GunFox;50382593]I am a CO. If we better addressed our drug problem through new legislation and a change in how we handle treatment for users, then this would work just fine in the US. Untreated addiction issues are the vast majority of my serious problems. Contrary to what you might imagine, Sex offenders and murderers are generally some of the easiest guys to work with. Granted they cover both ends of the spectrum, they can be the true monsters, but mostly they work like any other human being. Show them respect and it is returned in kind.[/QUOTE] All of my shoplifters are herion addicts without exception so I definitely agree with the drugs being the driving issue behind almost all of our criminal and corrections issues. And I mean, like, if we legalized pot that would probably do a lot for the over-population issue but tackling hard drugs is way harder. But when I say violent offenders I don't specifically mean murderers, though naturally some of them like Charles Manson or Ted Bundy should probably not be allowed to have this degree of freedom. But when you get drug addicts and gang bangers together specifically that's where my concern is from. Gang culture in prisons gets pretty intense and god forbid you put a bunch of rival gangs like Crips and Bloods together in a place like this, they'd go completely Lord of The Flies.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;50382725] But when you get drug addicts and gang bangers together specifically that's where my concern is from. Gang culture in prisons gets pretty intense and god forbid you put a bunch of rival gangs like Crips and Bloods together in a place like this, they'd go completely Lord of The Flies.[/QUOTE] We should have a prisoner exchange program and see what happens.
Taxing the shit out of working people to pay for cozy accommodation for criminals, a liberal dream
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;50402771]Taxing the shit out of working people to pay for cozy accommodation for criminals, a liberal dream[/QUOTE] I don't think you know what "liberal" means
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;50402771]Taxing the shit out of working people to pay for cozy accommodation for criminals[/QUOTE] Most people in Norway are fine with this.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50375751]I can see a prison like this working only for non-violent offenders in the United States. Also I'm annoyed at the accent of the guard. I can understand 90% of the words he is speaking because my ear is not trained for that accents. What's the search term that prisoners search at 4:40?[/QUOTE] It shouldn't only be for non-violent offenders. It should be for all offenders.
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