[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;40341350]Our minds have a massive reservoir of untapped electromagnetic/bioelectric/bioelectromagnetic energies that essentially amount to ESP. Everyone has it. [/QUOTE]
So, wanna have a meet up to use some of this ESP?
However, you have to agree to a double-blind experiment.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40341482]So, wanna have a meet up to use some of this ESP?
However, you have to agree to a double-blind experiment.[/QUOTE]
Believing is seeing, not the other way around. Skepticism is only an inhibitor.
[QUOTE=No_0ne;40327793]We're on a ball of dirt and we're all going to die.[/QUOTE]
Well aren't you nihilistic.
[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;40341548]Believing is seeing, not the other way around. Skepticism is only an inhibitor.[/QUOTE]
Is there a way to actually verify this though?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40339896]fuck you i'm living forever
[editline]19th April 2013[/editline]
I'm not going to passively accept the lifespan and physical constraints that evolution gave me. Evolution is an idiot god, a dumb hill-climber, creating hack-job engineering solutions. The amazing thing about the human brain is not how it works, but that it works at all. We can do better.
It may be fashionable to deny, but (male) human brains have the cognitive structures in place that adapted to facilitate rape. Certain insects have specialized penises specifically for stabbing the female through the torso and impregnating her. The fact that the world is this way says nothing about the morality of it; indeed it means we must be very careful not to overlook the terrifying injustices that evolution has coded us to rationalize and overlook, such as death.
There is no law written into the fabric of the Universe that human life ought to last only 90 years or only 90,000 years. The only limit is the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and there's a couple of billion years to go before that becomes a problem. I reject the OP's defeatism.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately you're going to die eventually, likely within 60 to 90 years.
Even if you become 'immortal', that's only as long as humanity lasts, which means you could die within a couple of hundred, or thousand.
Even then you can only live while there's still things left in the universe to keep you alive, if you survive that, so millions and billions of years, but you'll still die.
You're 99.99% going to die within 500 years I'd say.
If you honestly think you're going to live forever, you're delusional and stupid. What exactly are you going to do while you live forever, and everyone else does. Birth control measures would have to be put in if immortality was introduced in your lifetime, for example, otherwise enjoy your overcrowded population. You'd also get bored, you'd be like Marvin from Hitchiker's after they left him for billions of years. Fear of death is pretty animalistic itself, it's silly really.
[QUOTE=eurocracy;40343564]What exactly are you going to do while you live forever, and everyone else does. Birth control measures would have to be put in if immortality was introduced in your lifetime, for example, otherwise enjoy your overcrowded population.[/quote]
I'm imagining two mayflies talking to each other, the one complaining about only living 24 hours and the other saying "dude what would you [I]do[/I] living for a [I]whole year[/I]?"
We can expand out into the rest of the galaxy, I'm not suggesting staying on Earth forever.
[quote]You'd also get bored, you'd be like Marvin from Hitchiker's after they left him for billions of years.[/quote]
No, I'd have fun. You're generalizing from fictional evidence.
[quote]Fear of death is pretty animalistic itself, it's silly really.[/QUOTE]
No it's actually perfectly legitimate. Death is a [I]bad thing[/I]. Why do you want everyone to die?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;40327842]This morning, I noticed that a rogue nipple hair that I have plucked many times before had made a return. Without thinking, I grabbed the tweezers to remove the offender, but then thought, [I]"This nipple hair has struggled to breach the surface of my areola. I've plucked it by the root countless times, and yet it still returns. Such majesty, in this simple act of defiance."[/I]
I realized that, in a way, are we not all just rogue nipple hairs? For what is life without conflict? What are nipples without hair?[/QUOTE]This should be the OP, to be honest.
I need to do some drugs too.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40343812]I'm imagining two mayflies talking to each other, the one complaining about only living 24 hours and the other saying "dude what would you [I]do[/I] living for a [I]whole year[/I]?"[/QUOTE]
You ignored the main fact that you'd have overcrowding problems.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40343812]We can expand out into the rest of the galaxy, I'm not suggesting staying on Earth forever.[/QUOTE]
Oh dear god, are you kidding me. We are even unlikely to see real expansion onto [i]Mars[/i] within a couple of hundred years. You'd definitely get overcrowding with immortality, because the growth of population will spiral out of control.
And do you know how much it costs expanding into space, do believe me when I say you're in for about a thousand years of birth control before you stat migrating people to your moon cities.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40343812]No, I'd have fun. You're generalizing from fictional evidence.[/QUOTE]
It was an example, and quite a relevant one, you'd definitely get bored. You've lived less than 20 years, by the time you hit a million you'd definitely start getting tired of it.
You've seen most of everything, learnt most if not all of everything and nothing would be unique at that point.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40343812]No it's actually perfectly legitimate. Death is a [I]bad thing[/I]. Why do you want everyone to die?[/QUOTE]
Nice twisting my words there, saying I want everyone to die. Rather silly considering whether you like it or not you [i]are[/i] going to die, even if it is when the universe ends. You're not likely to make it to that, anyway, assuming diseases, other people or circumstances don't kill you first.
We're talking from car accidents to wars. Even if you avoided [B]EVERYTHING[/B] that would kill you before then, when immortality is semi-perfected, I will assure you it will be [I]astoundingly[/I] expensive at the start, and offered to millionaires, while you're retired. And it will stay expensive for a long while, you could even expect to see people older than the rest, begging on the streets for money to keep treatments going.
If it's not small treatment top-up based, it will be even more expensive, millions of pounds. you'e unlikely to be one of the first that get it in your generation, and you're likely to die way before it becomes mainstream.
Of course, it's also not known if we can overcome mortality in the first place, there's a lot to it.= and a lot that can and will kill you.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40339896]fuck you i'm living forever
[editline]19th April 2013[/editline]
I'm not going to passively accept the lifespan and physical constraints that evolution gave me. Evolution is an idiot god, a dumb hill-climber, creating hack-job engineering solutions. The amazing thing about the human brain is not how it works, but that it works at all. We can do better.
It may be fashionable to deny, but (male) human brains have the cognitive structures in place that adapted to facilitate rape. Certain insects have specialized penises specifically for stabbing the female through the torso and impregnating her. The fact that the world is this way says nothing about the morality of it; indeed it means we must be very careful not to overlook the terrifying injustices that evolution has coded us to rationalize and overlook, such as death.
There is no law written into the fabric of the Universe that human life ought to last only 90 years or only 90,000 years. The only limit is the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and there's a couple of billion years to go before that becomes a problem. I reject the OP's defeatism.[/QUOTE]
You are going to die and your atoms will be spread across the planet before immortality is anything more than science fiction. You can say you're not going to accept the lifespan evolution gave you but it's not your choice to make.
Spend your whole life in denial and you'll just ruin it for yourself
We're all the same age as the universe barring any energy-matter conversions. Impermanence creates new opportunities as it erases what came before. let's try to create positive things that resist it, like architecture or even the continuation of our species.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;40339896]fuck you i'm living forever
[editline]19th April 2013[/editline]
I'm not going to passively accept the lifespan and physical constraints that evolution gave me. Evolution is an idiot god, a dumb hill-climber, creating hack-job engineering solutions. The amazing thing about the human brain is not how it works, but that it works at all. We can do better.
It may be fashionable to deny, but (male) human brains have the cognitive structures in place that adapted to facilitate rape. Certain insects have specialized penises specifically for stabbing the female through the torso and impregnating her. The fact that the world is this way says nothing about the morality of it; indeed it means we must be very careful not to overlook the terrifying injustices that evolution has coded us to rationalize and overlook, such as death.
There is no law written into the fabric of the Universe that human life ought to last only 90 years or only 90,000 years. The only limit is the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and there's a couple of billion years to go before that becomes a problem. I reject the OP's defeatism.[/QUOTE]
I fundamentally disagree, especially with the idea of 'defeatism'. While living indefinitely may one day become an option, it won't in our generation.
Yes, dying might suck, but it's a natural process, and while we may have the power to change that, not everyone would want to. My attitude is this: I do not fear death, and I do not fear pain. I would die in an instant if, in doing so, I could preserve another life but for a little while, because it'd be a worthy end. I don't care whether I die young or old so long as I spend the time I have well according to my ideals. All things end eventually, and clinging to life stubbornly seems foolish to me.
There is, in fact, a poetic beauty in life's fleeting nature. Why should we fear the end, just because we don't know what lies beyond? Should we be reborn, we'll live another full life, and should we simply cease to exist, we'll be none the wiser.
Going to the grave laden with regrets will be painful, which is why I counsel others to not waste the time they have.
Nor to assume they have plenty left.
I think its weird knowing that the first radio broadcasts are echoing throughout space.News of events such as WWII only just reaching parts of the universe.
The OP is a little too optimistic and bright-sided.
To me life is a short, cold, gloomy and cruel experience. I don't like it and most of all didn't ask for it, and if it wasn't for my instincts and the (very few) people around me who care, I'd had already chosen long ago to not endure with this any longer. But since we all die anyway I suppose I'll just wait.
I'm not a nerd by all means, I stopped being a gamer long ago and have an "ordinary" life: I live in the middle of nature, I play music, I love reading, watching movies, meeting people etc. but I still have the same perspective on life, even during happy moments. I don't know why, maybe it's how my brain works or because of certain terrible experiences I've been through that I never manage to put aside. I see life as a curse, not a gift. When I look at the current world, and at history, I see hate, intollerance, confusion, and war between ignorant primates with no purpose. I'm just one of the many who will live, die and be forgotten.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOXMjCnKwb4[/URL]
The OP statement reminds me a bit of Richard Dawkins - We are going to die.
I'm personally going to ensure I reverse the aging process, then I'm going to help eradicate every disease I can starting with the ones I am most likely to develop with my new found longevity. Mark my words, through study of genetics and epigenetics I will persevere.
Accepting death is for quitters.
[QUOTE=archangel125;40347090]Going to the grave laden with regrets will be painful, which is why I counsel others to not waste the time they have.
Nor to assume they have plenty left.[/QUOTE]
wait I'm confused now
are you trying to say that trying to achieve immortality in our lives would end up wasting the very time we're trying to prolong?
[QUOTE=God's Pimp Hand;40357661]wait I'm confused now
are you trying to say that trying to achieve immortality in our lives would end up wasting the very time we're trying to prolong?[/QUOTE]
Yes, in a sense.
[editline]20th April 2013[/editline]
Because while it may one day be attainable, it isn't today, and hoping it will be by the end of your life, or spending too much time and effort chasing it, reduces the amount of time you could spend just enjoying life.
[QUOTE=Cone;40340514]so is everything, to varying degrees[/QUOTE]
It's completely subjective.
[QUOTE=.Isak.;40336141]You are not a cosmic accident. You aren't the end result. You are the big bang happening now. Before you existed, what makes up "you" was forged in the heart of a star, and shot across the universe. You are the universe. Every mere second you exist, you cause millions and millions of irreversible chemical and physical reactions to occur. Every time you take a step, you move thousands and thousands of molecules under your feet. Every breath involves a complicated, beautiful process in which you trade the content of your own body into the air around you. Every piece of dust that flakes off you goes flying off into the wind, the molecules being reincorporated into the very earth you walk upon and the plants that you trod over. Everything you see, everything you hear, and everything you do is a once-in-a-lifetime event that will never, ever be repeated.
You will not be confined into a black box on death. You will not cease to exist. You will not be sent to heaven or hell. Some say that fame is the only true immortality. This is false. When humanity disappears from the universe, when our sun blinks out, and when all of our dreams, aspirations, and efforts grind to a halt, what will fame matter? You are already immortal. Every action you make causes irreversible change to the entire universe. You are the butterfly effect. Every molecule that leaves your breath, every hair that you lose as you age, every lone flake of dust that falls from your skin, and every wave of sound that you ever speak, will move on. You are, and always will be, infinite. You are the universe.
Permanence. [/QUOTE]
That paragraph was possibly the most inspiring thing I've ever read.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;40346622]You are going to die and your atoms will be spread across the planet before immortality is anything more than science fiction. You can say you're not going to accept the lifespan evolution gave you but it's not your choice to make.
Spend your whole life in denial and you'll just ruin it for yourself[/QUOTE]
Some of humanity's greatest innovators and inventors were told "you're not going to do <x> because <y>"
They certainly didn't listen and their ambition, even their [I]arrogance[/I], was the fuel of success and advancement of the species.
Who dares wins, defeatist people suck and live lives of mediocrity. Let him dream, if he doesn't succeed, oh well.
This thread reminds me of a thought-provoking short story by Isaac Asimov, called "The Last Question".
[url]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/672147/TheLastQuestion.html[/url]
It deals with the life of the universe, and it is Asimov's favorite piece that he wrote.
[QUOTE=archangel125;40361869]Yes, in a sense.
[editline]20th April 2013[/editline]
Because while it may one day be attainable, it isn't today, and hoping it will be by the end of your life, or spending too much time and effort chasing it, reduces the amount of time you could spend just enjoying life.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but this presupposes that there will be a collective effort amongst all of mankind to reach immortality.
If we did try to find a way towards immortality then we'd probably just have a small minority of people (scientists, etc.) dedicated to working on it while the rest just continued their daily lives, kinda like how most science is conducted nowadays.
Everyone should watch the Fountain; it's all about death and whether or not its inevitable.
[QUOTE=KlaseR;40349876]The OP is a little too optimistic and bright-sided.
To me life is a short, cold, gloomy and cruel experience. I don't like it and most of all didn't ask for it, and if it wasn't for my instincts and the (very few) people around me who care, I'd had already chosen long ago to not endure with this any longer. But since we all die anyway I suppose I'll just wait.
I'm not a nerd by all means, I stopped being a gamer long ago and have an "ordinary" life: I live in the middle of nature, I play music, I love reading, watching movies, meeting people etc. but I still have the same perspective on life, even during happy moments. I don't know why, maybe it's how my brain works or because of certain terrible experiences I've been through that I never manage to put aside. I see life as a curse, not a gift. When I look at the current world, and at history, I see hate, intollerance, confusion, and war between ignorant primates with no purpose. I'm just one of the many who will live, die and be forgotten.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPj8D5KaPVU"]I find your perspective lacking.[/URL]
-snip, that's what I get for trying to post on my phone-
[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;40377488]As you may know, the world consists of billions of billions of atoms. Now, each and every one of these tiny atoms are vibrating at a frequency that create waves of energy. This unseen energy is known as the aura, and every single thing has this energy, living or inanimate. As human beings, we are all spirits with a human classification.
Inside our head lies the pineal gland... this gland is responsible for being the "psychi c c"[/QUOTE]
Please tell me you're kidding
[editline]22nd April 2013[/editline]
Or trolling, both work.
[editline]22nd April 2013[/editline]
Because the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland"]pineal gland[/URL] does no such thing, atleast not proven, anyway.
Waves are composed of energy, so why say wave of energy? I'm assuming you don't believe it's a mechanical wave, leaving gravitational waves, which have not been detected and electromagnetic waves. So we are left with electromagnetic waves, which ironically are photons covered as being somewhat alike particles and waves at the same time under quantum mechanics.
Anyway, under quantum mechanics, with atoms emitting photons, how they act is ridiculous, they do whatever they like, in effect, just are more probably to do the more obvious thing, but with less of them, you're more prone to errors in the photon alone moving. And then the atoms don't choose what they want to emit and there is no information stored in it. This 'aura' is also just contributing to background EM radiation, most of the background radiation a lot stronger than the amount given off from say, a human. This means that it would be indistinguishable from the rest, and you wouldn't be able to detect it at all.
Also, atoms do not vibrate necessarily to give off photons, they accelerate (or decelerate), so most commonly they jump from a high energy state to a low energy state, the excess energy being removed via the photon.
What you're talking about is [B]PSEUDOSCIENCE[/B] with no evidence.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40342950]Is there a way to actually verify this though?[/QUOTE]
Apologies for the late reply.
Anyways, as you should already know the earth and everything on it is composed of atoms. These atoms are all vibrating at a frequency that we cannot see or feel (at least to the untrained individual). This frequency is known by many names, such as the aura, chi, life force, or spirit. Everything on this earth, living or inanimate, has this aura.
There are many ways to tune yourself into this frequency. But to get a basic understanding of it, what does it look like? That's why there's such a thing as [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography"]Kirlian photography[/URL].
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Kirl66_g.png/220px-Kirl66_g.png[/IMG]
This is a picture of two coins taken using Kirlian photography.
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Kirlian_Photograph_of_a_Coleus_Leaf_1980.jpg[/IMG]
This is a coleus leaf. Notice how a living organism has a much stronger aura than an inanimate one.
Now, about mind over matter.
Inside of our brains consists of a gland known as the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland"]Pineal gland[/URL]. It should be located here:
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Illu_pituitary_pineal_glands.jpg/250px-Illu_pituitary_pineal_glands.jpg[/IMG]
This gland is considered the "physic center" of our brain. It is The receptor of aura and it is how one can see out of their [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parietal_eye"]Third Eye[/URL].
The reason the untrained individual is not aware of the gland or the aura, is because the gland is naturally inactive through a process known as [I]calcification[/I]. The gland has been calcified over thousands of years of unawareness to its existence. It's basically like weightlifting, if you don't use a certain muscle often enough it will weaken and seem almost non-existent.
Now, what does a gland and the aura have to do with mind-over-matter?
The aura is energy. We are all energy trapped inside physical "impermanent" bodies. The abilities to control and manipulate energy through will are what the third eye and pineal gland is capable of. Manipulate energy, manipulate reality.
A short example of how the untrained person can learn to "see" their aura:
First, find a blank piece of photocopy paper and place it in front of you. Get in a comfortable position where you can face the paper, and place your hand (palm down) on the paper (doesn't matter which hand). The lighting should be dim enough where you can see comfortably. Now, clear your mind of any unnecessary internal dialogue and stare at the centre of your hand. You cannot look at the aura directly, but our peripherals luckily have a higher sensitivity to frequencies. So zone out on your hand, and relax your eyes. Eventually, you may see colors starting to form around your hand. Don't look at it directly, keep your eyes on the center of your hand. Once you practice this enough, you can try placing a plant/leaf on the paper and try and view it's aura. Eventually through enough practice you will be able to see auras of yourself and others at will.
Now, feeling aura is just as important as seeing it. Awareness of it is what makes it stronger, so being skeptical just hinders your process.
Focus all of your attention to one part of your body. It may be a hand, your torso, your head, whatever floats your boat. Breathe deeply, and concentrate on it. Everyone feels the aura differently, but I feel it as a slightly warm, tingly sensation. It almost feels like a small blood rush. This is the easiest way to feel it. Once you become accustom to your own aura, you can try feeling the auras of objects, crystals, or other people/animals.
Also, that tingly feeling you get in your back every time someone's standing behind you is an example of feeling one's aura.
I hope this is a good enough demonstration to back up my claims.
[QUOTE=eurocracy;40379022]Please tell me you're kidding
[editline]22nd April 2013[/editline]
Or trolling, both work.
[editline]22nd April 2013[/editline]
Because the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland"]pineal gland[/URL] does no such thing, atleast not proven, anyway.
Waves are composed of energy, so why say wave of energy? I'm assuming you don't believe it's a mechanical wave, leaving gravitational waves, which have not been detected and electromagnetic waves. So we are left with electromagnetic waves, which ironically are photons covered as being somewhat alike particles and waves at the same time under quantum mechanics.
Anyway, under quantum mechanics, with atoms emitting photons, how they act is ridiculous, they do whatever they like, in effect, just are more probably to do the more obvious thing, but with less of them, you're more prone to errors in the photon alone moving. And then the atoms don't choose what they want to emit and there is no information stored in it. This 'aura' is also just contributing to background EM radiation, most of the background radiation a lot stronger than the amount given off from say, a human. This means that it would be indistinguishable from the rest, and you wouldn't be able to detect it at all.
Also, atoms do not vibrate necessarily to give off photons, they accelerate (or decelerate), so most commonly they jump from a high energy state to a low energy state, the excess energy being removed via the photon.
What you're talking about is [B]PSEUDOSCIENCE[/B] with no evidence.[/QUOTE]
Shit, how did I miss that.
First off, I'm not trolling. Or kidding.
Secondly, the aura isn't a "wave of energy" like I described in my failed post. The aura is a spectrum of light, and light is energy. Our bodies emit this aura through a combination of bioelectricity and electromagnetism (essentially bioelectricmagnetism). So if one were to, say, look up full spectrum photography, [URL="http://www.fullspectrum.org.uk/gallery/info_27.html"]you'll have enough photographic evidence that the aura exists[/URL].
I was listening to this while in my head reading in a very philosophical voice. It fit really well.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtA9Js-22ko[/media]
[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;40379563]Now, feeling aura is just as important as seeing it. Awareness of it is what makes it stronger, so being skeptical just hinders your process.[/QUOTE]
This is all I need lol.
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