Topless FEMEN activist ruins Christmas Mass in Cologne Cathedral
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[QUOTE=avincent;43309357]This is why people don't take feminists seriously. It's like that retarded classmate that's always like "DURR GUYS LOOK AT ME xDDD".
Oh wait I forgot they can't even debate without getting emotionally enraged and yell like fucking idiots.
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this is how that image shows up in a 1366x768 browser window. Gave me quite a jump as you might expect
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[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;43309746]this is how that image shows up in a 1366x768 browser window. Gave me quite a jump as you might expect
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/f0KIUOkl.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That might just be your problem.
This is 1280x800
[t]http://i.imgur.com/2l6vQrW.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=avincent;43309357]This is why people don't take feminists seriously. It's like that retarded classmate that's always like "DURR GUYS LOOK AT ME xDDD".
Oh wait I forgot they can't even debate without getting emotionally enraged and yell like fucking idiots.
[IMG]http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nvYyGTmcP80/maxresdefault.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
ya i mean we're totally emotionally charged every time someone generalizes us and compares us to the lcd of the movement, how dare we ever get upset that someone should start strawmanning us and shitting on the movement with the same bullshit again and again before there's even a discussion.
Most of the discussions are not emotionally charged on our part. Most of them start with you guys getting your rectums tangled over the feminists which aren't even in the thread yet.
[QUOTE=avincent;43309357]This is why people don't take feminists seriously. It's like that retarded classmate that's always like "DURR GUYS LOOK AT ME xDDD".
Oh wait I forgot they can't even debate without getting emotionally enraged and yell like fucking idiots.[/QUOTE]
How does one certain niche of people represent an entire movement?
[QUOTE=avincent;43309357]This is why people don't take feminists seriously. It's like that retarded classmate that's always like "DURR GUYS LOOK AT ME xDDD".
Oh wait I forgot they can't even debate without getting emotionally enraged and yell like fucking idiots.
[IMG]http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nvYyGTmcP80/maxresdefault.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I don't know what you're trying to prove using that image because throughout that whole video she's trying to debate with a bunch of MRA's who are doing nothing but talking over her every time she opens her mouth.
Hell I'm contradicting what I said when we had a thread on it but she had all the right to get pissed and yell.
femen is run by a guy who selects pretty white women to run around topless aggravating religious people. try to imagine why many feminists condemn their actions
One time a subleader of the FEMEN was asked why their slogans are always short 3 word sentences, to which she replied: "Not enough space to write more words on the bodies"
Well, you wouldn´t have the problem if you included women of all sizes.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43308890]You shouldn't take those seriously. All men should pay financial compensation for thousands of years of oppression, sex quota's, etc. They can't be serious themselves.[/QUOTE]
They say that a woman's work is never done.
Maybe that's why they get paid less.
[QUOTE=Covalency;43309658]Yeah, I don't think they're going to really get the point across to others that they're sane in the head.
Although, I have to say, I'm reminded of Charles Manson where he said, I cannot quote word for word, but it's relatively on par; "There is a god in all of us" with this girl and what she has on her. I cannot disagree, but neither can I agree.
She's doing this type of stunt, for publicity. Of course it'll gain attention because well, tits, but will it gain the power behind their message to flow through to other people? Most probable, not.[/QUOTE]
Should have been something more like "YOU ARE GOD", since probably not everyone would get that from her "I AM GOD" message. And even then, like you said, is that an effective way of communicating? Maybe not the best.
But if I was at that church and I did not believe in myself, but later on I learned about myself, I could look back on that day and think "Hey, that crazy topless chick was right!".
[QUOTE=avincent;43309357]This is why people don't take feminists seriously. It's like that retarded classmate that's always like "DURR GUYS LOOK AT ME xDDD".
Oh wait I forgot they can't even debate without getting emotionally enraged and yell like fucking idiots.
[IMG]http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/nvYyGTmcP80/maxresdefault.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
It's such a fucking cheap shot to use a photo of someone in mid-conversation to make them look stupider because everyone looks stupid paused in mid-conversation.
At this point I'm starting to wonder if FEMEN was designed to discredit feminism in the public eye by misrepresenting the ideology and doing stupid, aggressive, ineffectual shit for publicity.
The worst part is we used to have members who would defend FEMEN's stupid shit because they'd defend anything that had the word 'feminism' attached to it regardless of the intent or actions.
what if she actually was god though?
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43312505]At this point I'm starting to wonder if FEMEN was designed to discredit feminism in the public eye by misrepresenting the ideology and doing stupid, aggressive, ineffectual shit for publicity.
The worst part is we used to have members who would defend FEMEN's stupid shit because they'd defend anything that had the word 'feminism' attached to it regardless of the intent or actions.[/QUOTE]
I'd defend what FEMEN does because it's nonviolent civil disobedience aimed at institutions they believe are oppressive. Don't need to be a feminist to see it that way.
What do they mean: "ruined"?
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43312505]At this point I'm starting to wonder if FEMEN was designed to discredit feminism in the public eye by misrepresenting the ideology and doing stupid, aggressive, ineffectual shit for publicity.
The worst part is we used to have members who would defend FEMEN's stupid shit because they'd defend anything that had the word 'feminism' attached to it regardless of the intent or actions.[/QUOTE]
I've been wondering that myself. I've heard rumors that it's owned by a Saudi man who is more interested in the boobies than he is in the message scrawled onto said boobies. Unfortunately I can't seem to find a way to verify it, but if he was trying to sink feminism's image this would be one way to do it.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43312542]I'd defend what FEMEN does because it's nonviolent civil disobedience aimed at institutions they believe are oppressive. Don't need to be a feminist to see it that way.[/QUOTE]
Yes and no. They aren't "violent" per say because they try not to hurt people physically, and that's great, but they do like to piss in other people's cheerios and absolutely ruin anything they attend and therefore fuck with people who don't deserve it. A little while back they took over the runway of a fashion show and started harassing the models. It's not a good way to get attention and just serves to piss people off at the organization instead of what they're protesting against.
[QUOTE=PredGD;43312532]what if she actually was god though?[/QUOTE]
shes the new incarnation of god, jesus' younger sister - she's just misunderstood
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;43313183]
Yes and no. They aren't "violent" per say because they try not to hurt people physically, and that's great, but they do like to piss in other people's cheerios and absolutely ruin anything they attend and therefore fuck with people who don't deserve it. A little while back they took over the runway of a fashion show and started harassing the models. It's not a good way to get attention and just serves to piss people off at the organization instead of what they're protesting against.[/QUOTE]
Inconveniencing people is a cornerstone of protest and civil disobedience though. They "ruined" Christmas Mass at a cathedral because they find the Catholic church to be a symbol of institutional oppression. And it's obviously a great way to get attention; even FP, a place that seems decidedly against FEMEN generally, can't get enough of their group and they are covered by major news media around the world. They garner enough attention that their protest targets have expanded merely from elements of the patriarchy in Ukraine to several European countries.
Occasionally they go the extra mile (grabbing that model, cutting down a cross in Kiev) which I don't think is okay. In fact here was [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1311059&p=42332618&viewfull=1#post42332618"]my reply[/URL] to that model one in SH a couple months ago
[QUOTE=Raidyr;42332618]Normally I find Femen's antics fun and harmless ways to get attention to a serious issue, but grabbing a model and lifting up her skirt is just over the top.[/QUOTE]
But in general I have no real problem with the groups means regardless of what I think of their cause.
The problem, Raidyr, is that their protests are often done in a completely moronic fashion. Sure they get publicity, but it is almost universally "Look at these fucking morons ruining everyone's day. Their points don't even make sense". Needlessly antagonising people who are minding their own business is not a way to garner support, it's a fantastic way to utterly discredit yourself though.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't do stuff to inconvenience people, but there's a couple things wrong with the way they're doing it:
1. Their targets are hit or miss at best.
They choose targets that will get the most media attention and do the same damn stunt over and over. Sometimes their model of nude protesting works, usually it doesn't.
2. They always ALWAYS come out looking like the assholes.
Pretty much everyone thinks this, right down to fucking tumblr. Their stunts make everyone hate them, their assaulting of runway models to destroying of flags make you a douchebag in the eyes of the media, not something people want to follow.
It's an important fight, I'm a feminist, but at this point it's about changing the public's views on the issue not revolting (usually, the protesting of jailing of certain activists is completely justified). Making people hate your cause just sets the cause back.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;43313321]Needlessly antagonising people who are minding their own business is not a way to garner support, it's a fantastic way to utterly discredit yourself though.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;43313380] Making people hate your cause just sets the cause back.[/QUOTE]
I can't answer to how effective FEMEN is towards furthering their cause, I was just saying that I would defend FEMEN's methods as typically harmless.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43313621]I can't answer to how effective FEMEN is towards furthering their cause, I was just saying that I would defend FEMEN's methods as typically harmless.[/QUOTE]
They are a joke.
[video=youtube;msFMbsw3v6U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msFMbsw3v6U+[/video]
[video=youtube;0h2K439Udis]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h2K439Udis[/video]
And you want them to take over the face of feminism? Because that is what they will do if you just sit around passively.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43313621]I can't answer to how effective FEMEN is towards furthering their cause, I was just saying that I would defend FEMEN's methods as typically harmless.[/QUOTE]
But they're not harmless, they're counterproductive. That's my point. And because they undermine feminism by being idiots they set feminism backwards and cause people to suffer.
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;43313737]But they're not harmless, they're counterproductive. That's my point. And because they undermine feminism by being idiots they set feminism backwards and cause people to suffer.[/QUOTE]
yeah look at all this discourse we're having without them!
p.s. FEMEN are tame compared to historical feminists.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43313755]yeah look at all this discourse we're having without them!
p.s. FEMEN are tame compared to historical feminists.[/QUOTE]
If feminism wants to reach its goals, it has to be able to convince people, and not alienate people like these idiots do.
FEMEN is more damaging to feminism than any patriarchy or mra could ever be.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;43313621]I can't answer to how effective FEMEN is towards furthering their cause, I was just saying that I would defend FEMEN's methods as typically harmless.[/QUOTE]
It's not a matter of the way you're doing it, whether it's physically hurting people, inconveniencing other people or offending them. It's a matter of getting your point across. While their intent might be good, the only thing they manage to do is to make themselves look like assholes. And by extension, to a certain point, they give bad rep to feminism.
[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;43313799]If feminism wants to reach its goals, it has to be able to convince people, and not alienate people like these idiots do.
FEMEN is more damaging to feminism than any patriarchy or mra could ever be.[/QUOTE]
"We are not destroying Orchid Houses, breaking windows, cutting telegraph wires, injuring golf greens, in order to win the approval of the people who were attacked. If the general public were pleased with what we are doing, that would be a proof that our warfare is ineffective. We don't intend that you should be pleased."
- Suffragettes
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43313755]yeah look at all this discourse we're having without them!
p.s. FEMEN are tame compared to historical feminists.[/QUOTE]
"all attention is good attention" is one of the dumbest things ever. So if they'd set up a bomb in church and it would be in every newspaper, that would still be good for the movement?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43313849]"all attention is good attention" is one of the dumbest things ever. So if they'd set up a bomb in church and it would be in every newspaper, that would still be good for the movement?[/QUOTE]
bombs also worked for the suffragettes
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43313861]bombs also worked for the suffragettes[/QUOTE]
Either you are spewing nonsense just to disagree or you are actually advocating bombing as means to further feminism.
I don't know which is dumber, but I'd lean to the latter.
I'm not advocating anything
you're the one coming up with these wild hypothesis
but yes the suffragettes did use bombs to get into news papers.
feel free to strawman more though
its cute
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