I feel the same way about Drive. It has everything I've loved in other films, but every time I've tried to watch it I've never been engaged, and came away not liking it for no good reason. I spent way too much time trying to figure out what I didn't like about it :v:. Maybe he's right?
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Same thing The Godfather, I love crime and mafia movies but I couldn't even finish watching it, never understood why.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;50786899]A lot of people are kinda like this with Lord of the Rings.[/QUOTE]
that they're so good, they're bad? maybe rusty, but that's about where it ends.
So many people in the comments completely misunderstood what he meant, and are listing good-by-consensus movies they dislike for very defined reasons. (Yes, I know YT comments are inherently cancer.)
When he got into the part about the flaws of films making the great stuff that much better, it kinda got me thinking about the STALKER games or the older TES games and how much i like them despite all their obvious problems.
[QUOTE=Bloodshot12;50786990]When he got into the part about the flaws of films making the great stuff that much better, it kinda got me thinking about the STALKER games or the older TES games and how much i like them despite all their obvious problems.[/QUOTE]
I dont think thats nostalgia talking, either.
I only got into STALKER this year and i feel it too. They have issues but those issues are part of the whole that make it great.
Its also something i like about Metal Gear. They're great video games, but they take a lot of weird ass directions and have occasional issues and stupid moments but the overall product is so good, that those bizarre ideas, the weird sometimes inane plot twists, the repetitious dialogue at times, and the large amounts of exposition only enhances it. Like, look at Metal Gear Solid, its the basic story of a retired agent who's the best at what he does being called out of retirement to serve his country and stop terrorists, and im sure without all the weird shit it'd still be great, but the giant robots, the weird total misunderstanding of genetics, the over the top physics defying ninja bullshit, "BROTHA!", and the fourth wall breaking make it unique and charming.
Comparable i think is Splinter Cell. Splinter Cell is fantastic, it plays well, the stories are usually pretty good, but they've never been as loved as Metal Gear, and while i have fond memories of them, its not often i really feel the urge to replay them like i do with Metal Gear. Dont get me wrong tho Chaos Theory is my jam but still.
I dont know if anyone else will get what i mean, but i think when something is made with real passion and love for it, not just to get money or praise or awards (think the oscar bait movies), you can just feel it. It has soul.
That is a very important point actually, how in many ways the most important part of a good movie is for it to be infused with plenty of love and humanity, and how even a badly made crappy movie can end up being good as a result.
The point is that when you focus on too much perfection, it can lead to the effect of it being artificial or even uncanny, as a result disengaging the viewer from watching it.
So in a way this sort of proves that it is better to make a cheap crappy movie that you love with all your might than to develop a massive film that is obsessively focused on perfection.
I think this can apply to games too, with long running series just falling to a formula that it set up for itself, making all of the games feel the exact same.
I feel like he's just kind of using some arbitrary definition of "perfect." I don't really relate with this point at all.
Next Tuesday Critic is about to jump into the fire.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50787218]I feel like he's just kind of using some arbitrary definition of "perfect." I don't really relate with this point at all.[/QUOTE]
Is it possible for the definition of perfection to NOT be arbitrary?
[QUOTE=genkaz92;50787350]Is it possible for the definition of perfection to NOT be arbitrary?[/QUOTE]
When it comes to movies? Probably not. That's kind of my point. I don't really get the argument he's making. Clearly none of those movies were "perfect." They all had issues that made people not stick with them.
[QUOTE=sgman91;50787359]When it comes to movies? Probably not. That's kind of my point. I don't really get the argument he's making. Clearly none of those movies were "perfect." They all had issues that made people not stick with them.[/QUOTE]
That is an interesting thing to point out. However it can be assumed that in this case perfection implies a high degree of fidelity and proficiency in the majority of film's elements, which as a result ends up with the human element missing. The writing is good, the cinematography is good, the acting is good, yet something is still not there even though everything is supposedly there.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50787331]Next Tuesday Critic is about to jump into the fire.[/QUOTE]
I get the impression he's going to shill the Ghostbusters reboot super fucking hard.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50787669]I get the impression he's going to shill the Ghostbusters reboot super fucking hard.[/QUOTE]
In retrospect good point. I did catch in on one video saying the word trigger or something to that aspect.
But I dunno maybe he'll surprise us.
[QUOTE=megafat;50787154]I think this can apply to games too, with long running series just falling to a formula that it set up for itself, making all of the games feel the exact same.[/QUOTE]
You tend to feel it very strongly, particularly with AAA games higher up the ladder where you can feel the boxes being ticked in each of the game's features.
I'd say that flaws are just incidental to a film that takes more risks, rather than flaws themselves being what makes it good.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50787669]I get the impression he's going to shill the Ghostbusters reboot super fucking hard.[/QUOTE]
Bear in mind that he's already done a video with his brother on the Ghostbusters reboot. Very middle-of-the-road, very 'eh'.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50787669]I get the impression he's going to shill the Ghostbusters reboot super fucking hard.[/QUOTE]
Spoilers on that upcoming video (thank you vessel sub) [sp]He spends the whole episode hounded on all fronts, from feminists to MRAs to news writers, and ends with him saying it was average. I liked the episode, personally.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Magikoopa24;50788936]Spoilers on that upcoming video (thank you vessel sub) [sp]He spends the whole episode hounded on all fronts, from feminists to MRAs to news writers, and ends with him saying it was average. I liked the episode, personally.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Best way it could have gone. [sp]Ghostbusters wasn't the worst film, but there wasn't anything special about it and would have been forgotten in a week if it wasn't for the controversy.[/sp]
Kinda feel that way about Grand Budapest Hotel. It's so aggressively stylized and perfected to such a degree that it gets exhausting and tired by the end IMO.
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;50789805]Kinda feel that way about The Revenant. It's so aggressively stylized and perfected to such a degree that it gets exhausting and tired by the end IMO.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;50789805]Kinda feel that way about Moonrise Kingom. It's so aggressively stylized and perfected to such a degree that it gets exhausting and tired by the end IMO.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=megafat;50788978]Best way it could have gone. [sp]Ghostbusters wasn't the worst film, but there wasn't anything special about it and would have been forgotten in a week if it wasn't for the controversy.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I hope he does talk about the controversy, because that's the only reason I really hate this movie.
[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;50789805]Kinda feel that way about Grand Budapest Hotel. It's so aggressively stylized and perfected to such a degree that it gets exhausting and tired by the end IMO.[/QUOTE]
I personally found Grand Budapest Hotel to be exceptionally "meh." I didn't find it interesting or engaging at all, and I didn't find anything particularly amazing about the cinematography. All of the things that people praise it on, I didn't see.
All I saw in Grand Budapest Hotel was someone telling a mildly interesting story in a mildly interesting film.
That isn't to say I [B]dis[/B]liked it. Just that I wasn't particularly moved in any way. It was just a film to me.
My question would have to be are there actually movies that are too perfect, or is it just that it's hard to wrap your head around why you don't like something when it's obviously very well made?
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;50786922]I feel the same way about Drive. It has everything I've loved in other films, but every time I've tried to watch it I've never been engaged, and came away not liking it for no good reason. I spent way too much time trying to figure out what I didn't like about it :v:. Maybe he's right?
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Same thing The Godfather, I love crime and mafia movies but I couldn't even finish watching it, never understood why.[/QUOTE]
Drive's good but I never thought of it as being so highly rated that it would have this problem. People usually like it because the pacing is waaaay more deliberate than you'd expect from the plot and because of the subtle 80's aesthetics that are so popular now.
I guess I agree about The Godfather though, I know too many people that have pushed it as a cool gangster movie and don't think about how miserable the subject matter is.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50787824]In retrospect good point. I did catch in on one video saying the word trigger or something to that aspect.
But I dunno maybe he'll surprise us.[/QUOTE]
If you watch his Sibling Rivalry video, he pretty much says that [sp]it's 'meh'. Not amazing, but it had a balance of good and some truly awful moments. He's glad he saw it at least once despite the controversy. Rob didn't like it.[/sp]
He thinks the action is superior in the new film compared to the original.
Opinion [b]fucking[/b] discarded, Doug.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50791844]He thinks the action is superior in the new film compared to the original.
Opinion [b]fucking[/b] discarded, Doug.[/QUOTE]
Well, it IS kinda flashy...Doesn't make it better though...
[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;50792059]Well, it IS kinda flashy...Doesn't make it better though...[/QUOTE]
He completely misses the whole point behind the original Ghostbusters and why they didnt do flashy stupid kick flips and whipped people around like cool dudes.
They were blue collar exterminators who happened to hunt ghosts instead of rats or roaches, they werent action heroes.
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