Trump Supporter helps to put out fires during riots, gets assaulted. - General

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51703282]Many on each side view the other side as demons while they themselves are angels.[/QUOTE] and those of us on neither side get to feel superior to everyone :downs: i think the most important thing to remember about these subjects is that they all have incredible depth and complexity and the conversations on these forums and even most of public discourse never scratch the surface. Consider that the political discourse on facepunch is way ahead of most places online and off and it's still a raging dumpsterfire.

Sometimes i feel Tudd is a Russian troll just stiring shit in this forum because all his posts are attempts to put protesters in a bad light and that only supporters are the good guys. I mean, this video has two sides to it. One is provocation (supporter with a clear supporter hat) and a protestation part (protesters angry with the current situation and seeing blame in people who helped him created an incompetent and nonfunctional government). Seriously Tudd, you're really shining light on yourself.

[QUOTE=Itsjustguy;51703361]Sometimes i feel Tudd is a Russian troll just stiring shit in this forum because all his posts are attempts to put protesters in a bad light and that only supporters are the good guys. I mean, this video has two sides to it. One is provocation (supporter with a clear supporter hat) and a protestation part (protesters angry with the current situation and seeing blame in people who helped him created an incompetent and nonfunctional government). Seriously Tudd, you're really shining light on yourself.[/QUOTE] Tudd has been exposed as a russian troll because you think someone putting out a garbage fire is provoking people to attack him. :incredible:

If you're willing to defend/apologize for arson and assault then chances are you went wrong somewhere and need to reconsider a lot of things in your current mindset. Because quite frankly it's [I]really god damn difficult[/I] to justify those things without sounding like a complete twat.

Idiots always cause problems at protests. We should defend the victims and defend the peaceful protesters, and not try to let the idiots define masses of people on either side. Otherwise we just continue to feed into the partisanship and divide in this country.

People seem to judge others just based off of one detail like "trump supporter" "altright" "liberal" "socialist" etc when you put aside being a normal person for any reason, [I]you[/I] are the problem

if he didn't have that hat on this debate wouldn't exist that's why its stupid as hell

Fucking idiots everywhere, both on here and in the world, this guy puts out a fire, doesn't do it quietly sure but so fucking what, these dick heads then decide to assault him, wow yeah, gg, nob heads.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;51703757]one good trump supporter doesnt make up for the majority of them being scumbags. then again shitty protestors like these make the normal protestors look bad.[/QUOTE] What characterizes a "trump supporter" besides them supporting Trump? Plenty of normal people also support trump. Quite a few of them non-white. If you think a trump supporter is a racist sexist white supremacist, you're wrong. No idea what else you would think a trump supporter might be.

why are peaceful protesters covered up like they're about to go loot a supermarket maybe you shouldn't defend the actions of violent twats just because they mix with people that agree with you

lol we're going to see killing and fighting in the streets within the next 4 years

Victim Blaming 101: Facepunch Edition

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51703837]What characterizes a "trump supporter" besides them supporting Trump? Plenty of normal people also support trump. Quite a few of them non-white. If you think a trump supporter is a racist sexist white supremacist, you're wrong. No idea what else you would think a trump supporter might be.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38682568[/url] Well according to this they're some of the shallowest people on the planet. Most Trump supporters I've seen personally seem to think they're fighting the establishment, fighting for freedom and empowering the American people. (Protip: They're not)

If anyone thinks Trump supporters would be any better if Hillary won, they are delusional

What fucking idiots

[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;51704011][URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38682568[/URL] Well according to this they're some of the shallowest people on the planet. Most Trump supporters I've seen personally seem to think they're fighting the establishment and empowering the American people. (Protip: They're not)[/QUOTE] It could just be your personal experiences with supporters of Trump coloring your viewpoint though. Last I heard most of the folks supporting Trump supported him either because some of the things he said resonated with them and they agreed with it, because for all that he's a snake oil salesman, his bombast and the way he resonates with the people when he speaks was more approachable than Clinton's half-baked campaign where she thought attacking Trump would be enough for her to win (a mistake they don't seem to have learned anything from yet, at all!) and those who felt the system pushed them to the wayside (and believe me, there are a lot of folks who fell by the wayside when automation cost more and more jobs, and that recent depression didn't work wonders either) also pledged him their support because he at least made promises to do something, leave aside for now that most of those promises won't really materialize. Most supporters of Trump really are just ordinary folks like you and me dude, they just have a different viewpoint than we do. The issue here was that both candidates were shit, even though one was objectively more shitty (Trump) and only seemed preferable because he was a wild card, and not an establishment politician. The e-mail saga didnt help matters either, even though it annoys me when people use that as the sole reason they didn't want to vote for Clinton. As for being shallow, it's an unfortunate product of the times. Far more people are objectively shallow than possess depth of character to them, it's just that Trump attracted these people more because he managed to resonate with their identities. Hell, I could name many democrat supporters who were equally shallow. I spoke to a supporter of Trump yesterday about how I felt concerning the support he enjoys from his voter base. What he told me was fairly enlightening; he reiterated that most of em are just normal dudes, they just found something to bring them together and so they got pretty enthusiastic about supporting the guy since they became part of his movement. There's crazies on both sides of the coin. I'm not saying that I don't disagree with a large part of Trump's policies and propositions, but there's really no point in lumping em all in the same category. I don't care for identity politics or post truth, but all we can do at this point is hope that the country doesn't suffer too much.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51703853]lol we're going to see killing and fighting in the streets within the next 4 years[/QUOTE] pretty sure that already happens

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51702349]No, for being condescending about it.[/QUOTE] oh excuse my vulgarity but setting shit on fire isn't exactly okay

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51704039]It could just be your personal experiences with supporters of Trump coloring your viewpoint though. Last I heard most of the folks supporting Trump supported him either because some of the things he said resonated with them and they agreed with it, because for all that he's a snake oil salesman, his bombast and the way he resonates with the people when he speaks was more approachable than Clinton's half-baked campaign where she thought attacking Trump would be enough for her to win (a mistake they don't seem to have learned anything from yet, at all!) and those who felt the system pushed them to the wayside (and believe me, there are a lot of folks who fell by the wayside when automation cost more and more jobs, and that recent depression didn't work wonders either) also pledged him their support because he at least made promises to do something, leave aside for now that most of those promises won't really materialize. Most supporters of Trump really are just ordinary folks like you and me dude, they just have a different viewpoint than we do. The issue here was that both candidates were shit, even though one was objectively more shitty (Trump) and only seemed preferable because he was a wild card, and not an establishment politician. The e-mail saga didnt help matters either, even though it annoys me when people use that as the sole reason they didn't want to vote for Clinton. As for being shallow, it's an unfortunate product of the times. Far more people are objectively shallow than possess depth of character to them, it's just that Trump attracted these people more because he managed to resonate with their identities. Hell, I could name many democrat supporters who were equally shallow. I spoke to a supporter of Trump yesterday about how I felt concerning the support he enjoys from his voter base. What he told me was fairly enlightening; he reiterated that most of em are just normal dudes, they just found something to bring them together and so they got pretty enthusiastic about supporting the guy since they became part of his movement. There's crazies on both sides of the coin. I'm not saying that I don't disagree with a large part of Trump's policies and propositions, but there's really no point in lumping em all in the same category. I don't care for identity politics or post truth, but all we can do at this point is hope that the country doesn't suffer too much.[/QUOTE] Yeah nah alot of them are ok people, I've just had some particularly terrible encounters (Especially within the history community). It's just concerning that they're so willing to toss away progress and reason in favour of uniting behind an idiot.

[QUOTE=dai;51702923]man these responses are [i]loaded[/i] it was a shitty way to approach and word it, I'll totally accept that but lemme try and lay out what I'm saying: He was being peaceful and doing the right thing, and wanted to be the bigger man and lead by example. His words and action was with good reason, asking for peaceful protest amid all the destruction, but walked very knowingly into a sea of riotous protesters- that takes balls of steel and in the end he's 100% the victim. [i]however[/i], if you walk into a riot and draw attention to yourself as part of the thing they're rioting about and [i]don't[/i] factor in the fact they could react anywhere from "mild booing" to "suckerpunch", you're foolhardy by the end this was his body language while talking to the crowd- [t]http://i.imgur.com/EKVigkg.png[/t] he welcomed the jeering and the trash throwing, because it proved his point while everybody took their cameras out. After finishing the fire off all he had left was talking at the crowd like this and it snowballed bad. The dude trying to snatch the hat was probably annoyed the anti-protestor was saying the same thing again and again, and felt enabled/justified by the mob mentality being 'this guy sucks' and wanted to make it known he's not welcome. After that, the bigger fuckwit felt more empowered because someone else had already physically attacked the dude and took the opportunity when the hat snatcher dove out again. It sucks the crowd went after the hat guy instead of the dude who decked him but the confusion and anonymity of crowds like this is what makes assholes feel like they can get away with shit [editline]e[/editline] like I'm not trying to justify the violent actions of anybody here but the tl;dr boils down to that saying about not playing with fire unless you know you could get burnt, even if the figurative (and literal) point he was making was the fire shouldn't be happening in the first place[/QUOTE] imagine if this were anyone else. imagine if this was a woman. "just look at her body language though" ahahaha christ. "she should've known how to get burnt before playing with fire" you'd be fucking DESTROYED by the wave of "victim blaming" cries on the internet.

[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;51704060]Yeah nah alot of them are ok people, I've just had some particularly terrible encounters (Especially within the history community). It's just concerning that they're so willing to toss away progress and reason in favour of uniting behind an idiot.[/QUOTE] Let me put it this way - a lot of the folks who support Trump now (including some who regret supporting him) say that they would have voted without a thought for Bernie, never mind he was a Democrat, because he actually said things that he was going to do that would help people. If anybody have to be blamed, it's the DNC top brass for picking the establishment politician over an honest man who genuinely wanted to help Americans as a whole, not democrats or republicans.

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51702596][IMG]http://positivelyconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/love-trumps-hate-protest.jpg[/IMG] What happened to this?[/QUOTE] it didnt work

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51704067]Let me put it this way - a lot of the folks who support Trump now (including some who regret supporting him) say that they would have voted without a thought for Bernie, never mind he was a Democrat, because he actually said things that he was going to do that would help people. If anybody have to be blamed, it's the DNC top brass for picking the establishment politician over an honest man who genuinely wanted to help Americans as a whole, not democrats or republicans.[/QUOTE] The thing I never understood about that is since they couldn't vote for the most progressive candidate, they vote for the most regressive one?

like for real, my dad who has voted republican in every presidential election as far as I'm aware (fan of regan, didn't like clinton, voted against obama, etc...) said he would have voted for Bernie had he been the candidate because he's doing actual work for the people. for the middle class, for those that are struggling. Trump just latched onto those ideals and used them for his own benefit.

[QUOTE=Rika-chan;51704078]The thing I never understood about that is since they couldn't vote for the most progressive candidate, they vote for the most regressive one?[/QUOTE] People who supported Bernie purely because he was against the establishment and not because of other reasons didn't actually support what he stood for as a politician. These bright bulbs shifted support to Trump when they saw Bernie was out of the running purely to have a chance at burning down a system they hated and/or feel that it failed them. Don't underestimate how stupid people can be either, some voters genuinely believe that they can support a candidate based off of bits and pieces of his manifesto that agree with them, failing to realize in the end they have to settle for the whole as a package deal. There are also those who do realize this, but support them anyway because they feel nobody else respects their views.

this thread is a shining example of the demographic on this site what a fucking mess

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51704015]If anyone thinks Trump supporters would be any better if Hillary won, they are delusional[/QUOTE] Where were they when Obama won? I mean you can't call someone delusional about something that has had no chance to happen

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;51702596][IMG]http://positivelyconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/love-trumps-hate-protest.jpg[/IMG] What happened to this?[/QUOTE] America decided it likes to hate more than it likes to love

Why couldn't he put out the fire without being condescending? You don't knowingly walk into a group of people who support the opposite view to you and insult them. He was asking for trouble and he got it. It's all very well to say they should have the moral high ground, but not everyone can handle negativity like that. No they shouldn't have attacked him, but in the end all that happened was him getting knocked about a bit and losing his hat. I'm not going to persecute them for being passionate. If no one was killed or seriously injured, I wouldn't worry.

[QUOTE=New Cidem;51704259]America decided it likes to hate more than it likes to love[/QUOTE] "Love trump's hate" was BS virtue signaling from the beginning. It never actually meant anything real.