Trump Supporter helps to put out fires during riots, gets assaulted. - General

[QUOTE=Toothpick;51704823]I'm positive you understand, I just wanted to clarify because this guy just looked at my post from a blanketed and disjointed view and saw "blood on the ground" and instantly went "Holy shit dude!!! what he wants death??"[/QUOTE] I also disagree with your statement that violence is inevitable or necessary for change. I think the tolerance for this sort of violence is what draws it closer to being an inevitability. I frankly cannot see any way that attacking someone that just extinguished a fire could be reasonable, save for if they were then trying to attack you. That's what the tirade is about, we understand why they did it but there is no proper reason behind their action or we abhor their reasoning.

[QUOTE=Thlis;51704840]I also disagree with your statement that violence is inevitable or necessary for change.[/QUOTE] Well okay. Maybe I worded it terribly but I also believe peaceful protest can lead to change, but [i]extremely[/i] rarely; usually only for a few weeks then things go back to normal.

The fact that people are even bothering to make excuses for assaulting somebody that is walking around putting out fucking fires started by rioters just goes to show how mindless some anti-Trump people are. You can be anti-Trump without being a complete fucking idiot, try it sometime guys.

[QUOTE=Toothpick;51704842]Well okay. Maybe I worded it terribly but I also believe peaceful protest can lead to change, but [i]extremely[/i] rarely; usually only for a few weeks then things go back to normal.[/QUOTE] Kind of strange wording if you think that. "Peaceful protests do not work" Also, peaceful protests have, can, and do work, and for longer than just a few weeks, its situational, just like most things. Putting a blanket statement over something that broad is shortsighted.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;51704247]Where were they when Obama won? I mean you can't call someone delusional about something that has had no chance to happen[/QUOTE] Where were the guys rioting and attacking people when George W. Bush got elected twice? The US was not this ridiculously polarized back then

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51704871]Kind of strange wording if you think that. "Peaceful protests do not work" Also, peaceful protests have, can, and do work, and for longer than just a few weeks, its situational, just like most things. Putting a blanket statement over something that broad is shortsighted.[/QUOTE] Yes AaronM202, when I said "Peaceful protests do not work" I [b]literally[/b] meant that in all of human history, 100% of the time peaceful protests have not worked. Yes AaronM202, that must be exactly what I meant. That must be it!

[QUOTE=Toothpick;51704887]Yes AaronM202, when I said "Peaceful protests do not work" I [b]literally[/b] meant that in all of human history, 100% of the time peaceful protests have not worked. Yes AaronM202, that must be exactly what I meant. That must be it![/QUOTE] Uh. Well, yeah, thats how language works. You made a statement about a subject with words with clear and defined meanings. Not my fault you dont understand that if you say something, people might read what you say. [editline]21st January 2017[/editline] Also why are you saying my username like that.

Why do these "anarchist" protesters who cause trouble always dress like the guy who attacked him in the video with the hood and backpack? Is it a uniform or something?

[QUOTE=matt000024;51705539]Why do these "anarchist" protesters who cause trouble always dress like the guy who attacked him in the video with the hood and backpack? Is it a uniform or something?[/QUOTE]Hood to hide identity, backpack to carry spray cans to spray the A symbol

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51704015]If anyone thinks Trump supporters would be any better if Hillary won, they are delusional[/QUOTE] OK. Lets assume, just for the sake of argument that this assertion is factually accurate. Explain how that justifies the behavior in any way shape or form.

[QUOTE=dai;51702923]man these responses are [i]loaded[/i] it was a shitty way to approach and word it, I'll totally accept that but lemme try and lay out what I'm saying: He was being peaceful and doing the right thing, and wanted to be the bigger man and lead by example. His words and action was with good reason, asking for peaceful protest amid all the destruction, but walked very knowingly into a sea of riotous protesters- that takes balls of steel and in the end he's 100% the victim. [i]however[/i], if you walk into a riot and draw attention to yourself as part of the thing they're rioting about and [i]don't[/i] factor in the fact they could react anywhere from "mild booing" to "suckerpunch", you're foolhardy by the end this was his body language while talking to the crowd- [t]http://i.imgur.com/EKVigkg.png[/t] he welcomed the jeering and the trash throwing, because it proved his point while everybody took their cameras out. After finishing the fire off all he had left was talking at the crowd like this and it snowballed bad. The dude trying to snatch the hat was probably annoyed the anti-protestor was saying the same thing again and again, and felt enabled/justified by the mob mentality being 'this guy sucks' and wanted to make it known he's not welcome. After that, the bigger fuckwit felt more empowered because someone else had already physically attacked the dude and took the opportunity when the hat snatcher dove out again. It sucks the crowd went after the hat guy instead of the dude who decked him but the confusion and anonymity of crowds like this is what makes assholes feel like they can get away with shit [editline]e[/editline] like I'm not trying to justify the violent actions of anybody here but the tl;dr boils down to that saying about not playing with fire unless you know you could get burnt, even if the figurative (and literal) point he was making was the fire shouldn't be happening in the first place[/QUOTE] Why are people rating this dumb? Nothing Dai said was untrue. There's no way that guy didn't see this coming, if I was an american I'd stay the fuck away from these protests and I'd NOT walk in there wearing ads for the opposition. [editline]o[/editline] And maybe i should explain, because some people here seem to not understand this bit, this doesn't mean it's okay for people to hurt the guy. But god dammit, this was very preventable with some basic risk assessment - unless he actually wanted this result (like mild anecdotal "martyrdom" to prove the violence of the opposition)

[QUOTE=paul simon;51705606]Why are people rating this dumb? Nothing Dai said was untrue. There's no way that guy didn't see this coming, if I was an american I'd stay the fuck away from these protests and I'd NOT walk in there wearing ads for the opposition. [editline]o[/editline] And maybe i should explain, because some people here seem to not understand this bit, this doesn't mean it's okay for people to hurt the guy. But god dammit, this was very preventable with some basic risk assessment - unless he actually wanted this result (like mild anecdotal "martyrdom" to prove the violence of the opposition)[/QUOTE] People really misconstrue "it happened for a reason" with "it should have happened, fuck him!". Unfortunately this is how people act when they are mobbed up and angry. It is entirely unavoidable.

[QUOTE=Thlis;51704657]I am really getting tired of reading this constant apologetic non argument. "Oh no, I'm not condoning it, I just understand why they are doing it" "I'm not condoning punching people in the face, I'm just giving a list of reasons why it would be a good idea to punch people in the face"[/QUOTE] Not everyone is able to keep their cool in the heat of passion. If a guy stripped away your rights, slowed down your internet and raised your cost of living making your life harder, you'd probably feel a surge rage toward anyone who wanted to rub that fact in your face, so that's why it's forgivable. Sometimes it's difficult to be "the better person" when you feel powerless.

I was calling him condesending because I wasn't thinking straight at the time and started posting like a lunatic. Oh christ what have I started?

This thread is full of terrible posts. [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Itsjustguy;51703361]Sometimes i feel Tudd is a Russian troll just stiring shit in this forum because all his posts are attempts to put protesters in a bad light and that only supporters are the good guys. I mean, this video has two sides to it. One is provocation (supporter with a clear supporter hat) and a protestation part (protesters angry with the current situation and seeing blame in people who helped him created an incompetent and nonfunctional government). Seriously Tudd, you're really shining light on yourself.[/QUOTE] God forbid people have a different point of view and post videos that wouldn't be posted otherwise.

I swear he could have been hospitalized and a few posters would still say "but he was condescending". Luckily the other protesters were good enough people that they stepped in.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;51703757]one good trump supporter doesnt make up for the majority of them being scumbags. then again shitty protestors like these make the normal protestors look bad.[/QUOTE] yeah thats cool and stuff except trump supporters are human beings as well and by not respecting that you're only undermining your own political ideals by furthering them away from yourself the more you distance yourself from your political opposite, the less they're able to reason with you, and the easier it is for them to convince others of their ideals, and same goes for the reverse of it. just saying [editline]22nd January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Toothpick;51704772]You know, just because I say something out of whack with your view of the world, doesn't mean I'm shit posting or am a troll. And I would really appreciate it if every time I made a post like that, you didn't try and silence/attempt to get me banned with rhetoric like that.[/QUOTE] Making such broad statements about peaceful protests doesn't really have anything with a view of the world. There are tons of peaceful protests that have worked. Just look at some of the things others have listed, as well as Black-American history in general [QUOTE=Itsjustguy;51703361]Sometimes i feel Tudd is a Russian troll just stiring shit in this forum because all his posts are attempts to put protesters in a bad light and that only supporters are the good guys. I mean, this video has two sides to it. One is provocation (supporter with a clear supporter hat) and a protestation part (protesters angry with the current situation and seeing blame in people who helped him created an incompetent and nonfunctional government). Seriously Tudd, you're really shining light on yourself.[/QUOTE] As much as I am a democrat I'm more and more disappointed by people's ability to shit on others for a disagreement