• United Kingdom chat thread V3: We still miss our empire
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people who earn under <40k who vote tory lmao
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;52130075]people who earn under <40k who vote tory lmao[/QUOTE] I reckon it's still a good idea to not vote Tory till you earn 200k. Untill you get the fenced off place in the countryside, you still have to live with the lads. I fucking hate the class system here. [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=metallics;52130013]People saying things like this make me want to vote tory out of spite[/QUOTE] Fuck the poor (and middle class), amright? No. Voting for the objective merits that you subjectively favour. Which means any knowledgable person wouldn't vote tory Because they're pig-fucking elite bastards who want nothing but the supremacy of the elite. Don't fool yourself, the elite probably isn't you.
[QUOTE=The Jack;52130141]I reckon it's still a good idea to not vote Tory till you earn 200k. Untill you get the fenced off place in the countryside, you still have to live with the lads. I fucking hate the class system here. [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] Fuck the poor (and middle class), amright? No. Voting for the objective merits that you subjectively favour. Which means any knowledgable person wouldn't vote tory Because they're pig-fucking elite bastards who want nothing but the supremacy of the elite. Don't fool yourself, the elite probably isn't you.[/QUOTE] Are you saying that you'd prefer Corbyn and socialism? Why don't you ask Venezuela how that's going for them... Everyone has different views and party policies effect everyone differently. I don't think it's particularly fair to call people "pig-fucking elite bastards" just because Tory policies work better for them than Labour policies.
[QUOTE=The Jack;52130141]-waffle-[/QUOTE] Oh hey aren't you the guy who tried to justify stealing a 50p brownie at a charity bake sale because the guy looked/sounded rich or something? Yeah I'll form my opinions from sane people thanks. On another note this election is total bullshit. It's another free 2 years for the Tories in the bag tbh. Stick with the only party that has some sort of form who's also scum or vote another dazed and confused party into power. Grim times.
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130216]Are you saying that you'd prefer Corbyn and socialism? Why don't you ask Venezuela how that's going for them... Everyone has different views and party policies effect everyone differently. I don't think it's particularly fair to call people "pig-fucking elite bastards" just because Tory policies work better for them than Labour policies.[/QUOTE] Why don't I ask the scandinavians or Vietnam or any of the other myriad of countries where it fucking works. Also, you don't seem to be aware of our previous Prime Minister's past exhibits. Despite them, I favor him more than the current lizard.
i'm voting leave (to leave the UK) [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] oh gosh that was quick [QUOTE=The Jack;52130271]Why don't I ask the scandinavians or Vietnam or any of the other myriad of countries where it fucking works.[/QUOTE] both countries have their economies overwhelmingly dominated by private-sector commerce
[QUOTE=El_Jameo;52130257]Oh hey aren't you the guy who tried to justify stealing a 50p brownie at a charity bake sale because the guy looked/sounded rich or something? Yeah I'll form my opinions from sane people thanks. On another note this election is total bullshit. It's another free 2 years for the Tories in the bag tbh. Stick with the only party that has some sort of form who's also scum or vote another dazed and confused party into power. Grim times.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=The Jack;51906064]I hate how class devided this country is Anyone seemingly bellow you is a moron who can't multiply numbers and probably voted brexit. Anyone seemingly above is a twat. [editline]3rd March 2017[/editline] I stole a brownie recently because some rich sounding dickhead left them out, with a jar nearby, asking for 50p. Was a real posh wanker. put in 2p which is far more fitting to the brownie's worth. My only regret is that I didn't inform him of my grievances as I stuffed my mouth with his stolen goods. /class struggle.[/QUOTE] (it is)
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130216]Are you saying that you'd prefer Corbyn and socialism? Why don't you ask Venezuela how that's going for them... Everyone has different views and party policies effect everyone differently. I don't think it's particularly fair to call people "pig-fucking elite bastards" just because Tory policies work better for them than Labour policies.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Labour]Corbyn’s 10 pledges Full employment and an economy that works for all: based around a £500bn public investment via the planned national investment bank. A secure homes guarantee: building 1m new homes in five years, at least half of them council homes. Also rent controls and secure tenancies. Security at work: includes stronger employment rights, an end to zero hours contracts and mandatory collective bargaining for companies with 250 or more employees. Secure our NHS and social care: end health service privatisation and bring services into a “secure, publicly-provided NHS”. A national education service: includes universal public childcare, the “progressive restoration” of free education, and quality apprenticeships. Action to secure our environment: includes keeping to Paris climate agreement, and moving to a “low-carbon economy” and green industries, in part via national investment bank. Put the public back into our economy and services: includes renationalising railways and bringing private bus, leisure and sports facilities back into local government control. Cut income and wealth inequality: make a progressive tax system so highest earners are “fairly taxed”, shrink the gap between the highest and lowest paid. Action to secure an equal society: includes action to combat violence against women, as well as discrimination based on race, sexuality or disability, and defend the Human Rights Act. Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy: aims to put conflict resolution and human rights “at the heart of foreign policy”. [/QUOTE] Sounds awful...
[QUOTE=The Jack;52130271]Why don't I ask the scandinavians or Vietnam or any of the other myriad of countries where it fucking works. Also, you don't seem to be aware of our previous Prime Minister's past exhibits. Despite them, I favor him more than the current lizard.[/QUOTE] Because swathes of people are just lining up to immigrate to Vietnam.../s I'm perfectly aware of Cameron fucking a pig...so what? Not like he made a habit out of it and not to mention it was quite a significant while ago
[QUOTE=The Jack;52130141] [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] Fuck the poor (and middle class), amright? No. Voting for the objective merits that you subjectively favour. Which means any knowledgable person wouldn't vote tory Because they're pig-fucking elite bastards who want nothing but the supremacy of the elite. Don't fool yourself, the elite probably isn't you.[/QUOTE] What on earth are you raving about
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130297]Because swathes of people are just lining up to immigrate to Vietnam.../so[/QUOTE] Yes, Vietnam isn't a powerful country (I mean it's great for south east asia, but I can understand a westerner seeing better places) but Denmark, Norway, Sweden; Tell me how they're bad places. Make smart comments. Go. Discuss. Please?
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;52130288]Sounds awful...[/QUOTE] [QUOTE][U]Corbyn’s 10 pledges[/U] Full employment and an economy that works for all: based around a £500bn public investment via the planned national investment bank. [B]Does the current economy not work for all, what am I missing with this bit?[/B] A secure homes guarantee: building 1m new homes in five years, at least half of them council homes. [B]Okay, are these really needed though? Where are they going to get the land, the funds?[/B] Also rent controls and secure tenancies. [B]If a landlord owns a property, it should be 100% up to them to decide the rent, nobody is forcing them to pay it.[/B] Security at work: includes stronger employment rights, an end to zero hours contracts and mandatory collective bargaining for companies with 250 or more employees. [B]Some people actually like zero hour contracts?[/B] Secure our NHS and social care: end health service privatisation and bring services into a “secure, publicly-provided NHS”.[B]Okay, I can agree that's a good point[/B] A national education service: includes universal public childcare, the “progressive restoration” of free education, and quality apprenticeships.[B]Not everyone wants/needs childcare, don't see the point in providing provisions for it tbh. Free education? Okay so where are Universities going to get their funding from? What's the difference between "quality apprenticeships" and the current ones?[/B] Action to secure our environment: includes keeping to Paris climate agreement, and moving to a “low-carbon economy” and green industries, in part via national investment bank.[B]Great, can't wait to get taxed more for not being low-carbon[/B] Put the public back into our economy and services: includes renationalising railways and bringing private bus, leisure and sports facilities back into local government control.[B]I'd prefer to have several different train operators rather than just one, as this seems to suggest[/B] Cut income and wealth inequality: make a progressive tax system so highest earners are “fairly taxed”, shrink the gap between the highest and lowest paid.[B]This is what I don't understand, if you get paid a lot for a job you do because it is a complicated or difficult job, why should you have more of that money taken away from you?[/B] Action to secure an equal society: includes action to combat violence against women, as well as discrimination based on race, sexuality or disability, and defend the Human Rights Act.[B]Pretty sure most discrimination has been stomped out to be honest[/B] Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy: aims to put conflict resolution and human rights “at the heart of foreign policy”.[B]G r e a t[/B][/QUOTE]
Who do you vote for if you don't trust anyone?
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130339]Pledges[/QUOTE] I don't agree with all the pledges, some of them are pretty weak, but you trying to break them down like that has just shown a near total ignorance of economics and sociology.
economics is mostly astrologers anyways (except more dangerous because people listen to them)
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130339][/QUOTE] wew those are some [I]hot takes[/I] 1. i dunno man, child poverty is pretty fucking bad 2. are you denying we have a housing shortage? 3. rent controls are absolutely necessary as excessive and whimsical rent increasing [I]are and do make people homeless.[/I] 4. the zero hour contracts will be banned where a worker is given regular hours so the ones who like them so much can keep them 5. good 6. nobody is forcing them to take the childcare but it will allow single mothers, hard pressed families to become workers and contribute, universities get their funding from international fees and tuition fees paid for by the government. apprenticeships are currently used to exploit young people desperate to get into work though things like [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/subway-apprentice-sandwich-artists-pay-350-hour-minimum-wage-gateshead-branch-a7640066.html"]this[/URL] 7. didn't see that part of the policy, if you can point it out i'd be grateful 8. yes competition really has helped the rail network - even [I]the spec[/I] disagrees - [URL="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CUtkR1kY9DAJ:https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/rail-fares-train-expensive/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk"]here[/URL]. east coast was nationalised briefly and was a net contributor to the treasury. 9. that's not strictly true - you cannot equate high income with hard working i'm afraid. most of my friends graft a lot fucking harder than i do and make a lot less than i do. i'm pretty sure it says "fairly taxed" there as well. 10. quite a lot of my friends who aren't white able males might disagree with you on that i'm afraid 11. heaven forbid we try work with the international community to foster positive relations [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] i get that you are deeply ideologically opposed to the labour party but twisting things and relying on false rhetoric and tired lines isn't going to help your case
[QUOTE=The Jack;52130316]Yes, Vietnam isn't a powerful country (I mean it's great for south east asia, but I can understand a westerner seeing better places) but Denmark, Norway, Sweden; Tell me how they're bad places. Make smart comments. Go. Discuss. Please?[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-scandinavia-not-socialist-utopia/lUk9N7dZotJRbvn8PosoIN/story.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130414][url]https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-scandinavia-not-socialist-utopia/lUk9N7dZotJRbvn8PosoIN/story.html[/url][/QUOTE] Behind a paywall, alternative source that isn't a little opinion fluff piece on a conservative paper pls xx
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130414][url]https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-scandinavia-not-socialist-utopia/lUk9N7dZotJRbvn8PosoIN/story.html[/url][/QUOTE] Firstly, they're still [B]vastly[/B] more left wing than the UK or US currently. Secondly, fucking Marx himself suggested that socialism comes after capitalism, and of course most growth is going to fucking happen when the government industrializes. And yeah, your source is well written, but there's little hiding that the writer literally started the article with the unchangeable goal to debunk something, to justify it's argument, and wouldn't report anything that conflicted with the agenda, even going as far as to say 'a more right leaning government' [B][I]which is still a fucking leftist government in comparison to the norms of the author[/I] [/B] Can you give me a source that [del]isn't fucking stupid?[/del] actually has a degree of objective or indeed scientific outlook?
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;52130402]wew those are some [I]hot takes[/I] 1. i dunno man, child poverty is pretty fucking bad 2. are you denying we have a housing shortage? 3. rent controls are absolutely necessary as excessive and whimsical rent increasing [I]are and do make people homeless.[/I] 4. the zero hour contracts will be banned where a worker is given regular hours so the ones who like them so much can keep them 5. good 6. nobody is forcing them to take the childcare but it will allow single mothers, hard pressed families to become workers and contribute, universities get their funding from international fees and tuition fees paid for by the government. apprenticeships are currently used to exploit young people desperate to get into work though things like [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/subway-apprentice-sandwich-artists-pay-350-hour-minimum-wage-gateshead-branch-a7640066.html"]this[/URL] 7. didn't see that part of the policy, if you can point it out i'd be grateful 8. yes competition really has helped the rail network - even [I]the spec[/I] disagrees - [URL="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CUtkR1kY9DAJ:https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/rail-fares-train-expensive/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk"]here[/URL]. east coast was nationalised briefly and was a net contributor to the treasury. 9. that's not strictly true - you cannot equate high income with hard working i'm afraid. most of my friends graft a lot fucking harder than i do and make a lot less than i do. i'm pretty sure it says "fairly taxed" there as well. 10. quite a lot of my friends who aren't white able males might disagree with you on that i'm afraid 11. heaven forbid we try work with the international community to foster positive relations [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] i get that you are deeply ideologically opposed to the labour party but twisting things and relying on false rhetoric and tired lines isn't going to help your case[/QUOTE] 1. Assuming you mean parents who don't earn a lot and have to support kids? I'm going to be honest, if you can't afford to have a kid - you shouldn't have one. 2. We've certainly never had any issues finding a house. 3. Okay, but that's up to a landlord? If they own the property and you want to live in it, it's not your job to tell them how much they should be charging for it. 4. I'll admit, if a zero hour contract is your primary source of income and it's the main thing you do day to day, I can understand why you might not like it. On the other hand, if you're a student and you need a varying amount of hours (according to Uni workload for example), a zero hour contract can actually be very beneficial. 5. - 6a. Childcare - things like Childcare vouchers help in this exact situation. I'll admit, there are some circumstances where free childcare is appropriate because of someones financial situation, but I don't think this should apply to everyone. 6b. "Free Education" - are we thinking of literal free education in terms of cost, or free schools? International fees contribute a tiny amount to a Universities income, trust me. So what's the difference between the current loan system for tuition fees and having the government pay? The government foots the bill initially and you don't pay it back until you're financially able to. 6c. Apprenticeships, sure some are really shit and take the piss - but there's others that aren't. You can't really be expected to be paid as a regular worker would since you're not going to be doing the same quality of work, you're there to work while you learn. 7. So if the government wants to move to a low-carbon economy, they'll either have to incentivise the move by offering benefits (pulling more money out of this magical never ending pot) or putting/raising taxes on high emitters. 8. This might just be our difference in opinion, but I certainly prefer having the option to decide who I travel with. For example, GWR offer a Sleeper service and some other providers don't. If you're having one provider then it's not going to meet the needs of everyone. 9. Hard-working isn't just physical though, if you've plunged 27k+ into a degree you sure as hell expect to be paid a lot more just for having that degree. If you earn more because of qualifications (that you've paid for) then why should you be punished for that? 10. Quite a lot of my friends who aren't white males might disagree with you too. I can promise you, i've never really witnessed any sort of discrimination - whether that's in a workplace or otherwise. 11. I can just see this being an excuse for open immigration, if i'm honest. [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=codenamecueball;52130418]Behind a paywall, alternative source that isn't a little opinion fluff piece on a conservative paper pls xx[/QUOTE] [url]https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/[/url]
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130537]1. Assuming you mean parents who don't earn a lot and have to support kids? I'm going to be honest, if you can't afford to have a kid - you shouldn't have one. [/QUOTE] Child poverty can happen years after birth too. Just because you have a stable job when you have a child, doesn't mean that in 3 years time you'll be able to afford to put food on the table.
Happy 4/20 everyone, though we all know it's really 20/4. Today my posh grandma showed me this picture in her Facebook feed, because she'll believe anything she reads. I couldn't bring myself to explain. [img]http://i.imgur.com/YAXElAY.png[/img]
[QUOTE=The Jack;52130141]I reckon it's still a good idea to not vote Tory till you earn 200k. Untill you get the fenced off place in the countryside, you still have to live with the lads. I fucking hate the class system here. [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] Fuck the poor (and middle class), amright? No. Voting for the objective merits that you subjectively favour. Which means any knowledgable person wouldn't vote tory Because they're pig-fucking elite bastards who want nothing but the supremacy of the elite. Don't fool yourself, the elite probably isn't you.[/QUOTE] This is why there are so many 'Shy Tories'
The only good Tory is a dead Tory. I think we should fix our voting booths so that they reach up and stab da fucker when they detect a Tory vote.
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130537]1. Assuming you mean parents who don't earn a lot and have to support kids? I'm going to be honest, if you can't afford to have a kid - you shouldn't have one. 2. We've certainly never had any issues finding a house. 3. Okay, but that's up to a landlord? If they own the property and you want to live in it, it's not your job to tell them how much they should be charging for it. 4. I'll admit, if a zero hour contract is your primary source of income and it's the main thing you do day to day, I can understand why you might not like it. On the other hand, if you're a student and you need a varying amount of hours (according to Uni workload for example), a zero hour contract can actually be very beneficial. 5. - 6a. Childcare - things like Childcare vouchers help in this exact situation. I'll admit, there are some circumstances where free childcare is appropriate because of someones financial situation, but I don't think this should apply to everyone. 6b. "Free Education" - are we thinking of literal free education in terms of cost, or free schools? International fees contribute a tiny amount to a Universities income, trust me. So what's the difference between the current loan system for tuition fees and having the government pay? The government foots the bill initially and you don't pay it back until you're financially able to. 6c. Apprenticeships, sure some are really shit and take the piss - but there's others that aren't. You can't really be expected to be paid as a regular worker would since you're not going to be doing the same quality of work, you're there to work while you learn. 7. So if the government wants to move to a low-carbon economy, they'll either have to incentivise the move by offering benefits (pulling more money out of this magical never ending pot) or putting/raising taxes on high emitters. 8. This might just be our difference in opinion, but I certainly prefer having the option to decide who I travel with. For example, GWR offer a Sleeper service and some other providers don't. If you're having one provider then it's not going to meet the needs of everyone. 9. Hard-working isn't just physical though, if you've plunged 27k+ into a degree you sure as hell expect to be paid a lot more just for having that degree. If you earn more because of qualifications (that you've paid for) then why should you be punished for that? 10. Quite a lot of my friends who aren't white males might disagree with you too. I can promise you, i've never really witnessed any sort of discrimination - whether that's in a workplace or otherwise. 11. I can just see this being an excuse for open immigration, if i'm honest. [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] [url]https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/[/url][/QUOTE] got mine, screw everyone else lol
[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52130537]1. Assuming you mean parents who don't earn a lot and have to support kids? I'm going to be honest, if you can't afford to have a kid - you shouldn't have one. 2. We've certainly never had any issues finding a house. 3. Okay, but that's up to a landlord? If they own the property and you want to live in it, it's not your job to tell them how much they should be charging for it. 4. I'll admit, if a zero hour contract is your primary source of income and it's the main thing you do day to day, I can understand why you might not like it. On the other hand, if you're a student and you need a varying amount of hours (according to Uni workload for example), a zero hour contract can actually be very beneficial. 5. - 6a. Childcare - things like Childcare vouchers help in this exact situation. I'll admit, there are some circumstances where free childcare is appropriate because of someones financial situation, but I don't think this should apply to everyone. 6b. "Free Education" - are we thinking of literal free education in terms of cost, or free schools? International fees contribute a tiny amount to a Universities income, trust me. So what's the difference between the current loan system for tuition fees and having the government pay? The government foots the bill initially and you don't pay it back until you're financially able to. 6c. Apprenticeships, sure some are really shit and take the piss - but there's others that aren't. You can't really be expected to be paid as a regular worker would since you're not going to be doing the same quality of work, you're there to work while you learn. 7. So if the government wants to move to a low-carbon economy, they'll either have to incentivise the move by offering benefits (pulling more money out of this magical never ending pot) or putting/raising taxes on high emitters. Etc [editline]20th April 2017[/editline] [URL]https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/[/URL][/QUOTE] Fuck yours got mine right haha. When the NHS comes crashing down you'll only be able to blame yourself, oh and mummy May. The fact that so many low earners vote blue is astounding and it's exactly what happened with Trump. What do you think they're offering you? and your article only provides the classic 'but Scandinavia is SOCIAL DEMOCRACY not SOCIALISM', right, what point are you making beyond semantics?
How I imagine working class Conservatives discuss politics. "Fuck the poor" "Dave, We're poor" "Oh, right, should we vote labour then?" "I'd like to think we're not that poor, dave, we shop at sainsburys" "but we only get the basics line." "That's because you eat a lot of Kebabs, and the cheapest newspaper says fuck the poor, and we're the target demographic, what the goddamn shit do you expect us to do, dave? I'll have you know we're only poor due to the rise and insidious influence of muslamic civilization, and I'll have you know that Corbyn supports ISIS" "Are the muslims poorer than us?" "yes dave, they should be" "Right, Fuck the poorer!" "Fuck the poorer!"
[QUOTE=The Jack;52131408]How I imagine working class Conservatives discuss politics. "Fuck the poor" "Dave, We're poor" "Oh, right, should we vote labour then?" "I'd like to think we're not that poor, dave, we shop at sainsburys" "but we only get the basics line." "That's because you eat a lot of Kebabs, and the cheapest newspaper says fuck the poor, and we're the target demographic, what the goddamn shit do you expect us to do, dave? I'll have you know we're only poor due to the rise and insidious influence of muslamic civilization, and I'll have you know that Corbyn supports ISIS" "Are the muslims poorer than us?" "yes dave, they should be" "Right, Fuck the poorer!" "Fuck the poorer!"[/QUOTE] Do you ever read your own posts?
[QUOTE=The Jack;52131276]The only good Tory is a dead Tory. I think we should fix our voting booths so that they reach up and stab da fucker when they detect a Tory vote.[/QUOTE] If you seriously think that people who have a different political perspective to you should literally die, you need to seek serious help - it's not normal.
I think it would be silly for me to vote for Tories given how much currently trying to live isn't really going to change much under them, not that I think any other political party can change that by much but I still feel it's worth voting for an alternative to them - say Lib Dem, Green or anything else. I don't really trust Labour given their 2010 failings and see this 2017 snap election a factor showing that the Tories are failing now too in the current situation.
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