• United Kingdom chat thread V3: We still miss our empire
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[QUOTE=Dorkslayz;52131667]If you seriously think that people who have a different political perspective to you should literally die, you need to seek serious help - it's not normal.[/QUOTE] What, it's perfectly normal, y'know outside o democracy most 'different political perspectives' have caused wars, yeah? I don't think they should literally die, I mean, I don't mind if people die, cause they do that all the time. I do think Tory voters need to be sent to camps. [sp]educational camps[/sp] [editline]21st April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=UzumakaiPatch;52131652]Do you ever read your own posts?[/QUOTE] Only when they're in quotations.
[QUOTE=Chopstick;52131713]I think it would be silly for me to vote for Tories given how much currently trying to live isn't really going to change much under them, not that I think any other political party can change that by much but I still feel it's worth voting for an alternative to them - say Lib Dem, Green or anything else. I don't really trust Labour given their 2010 failings and see this 2017 snap election a factor showing that the Tories are failing now too in the current situation.[/QUOTE] I don't buy that the Tories are okay because it's what we've got (and had for a while) and it's not so bad. Social security is fucked, the NHS is fucked, housing is fucked, wages are lower, poverty is up (remember when the Tories changed the definition of child poverty to lower numbers instead of doing anything about it?) and the deficit is more fucked than ever. How many of their serious promises have they fulfilled? Austerity isn't working and people are poorer than they were ten years ago. So how about those cuts then? Please all of you do some serious reading about the choices you're gonna make and don't vote on a whim.
This is getting heavy. Imma just vote labour like I always have done. Theresa May is a turd, a typical hateful puritan, little England wet dreamer. She makes David Cameron seem normal. And I don't fancy a PM who thinks she's doing the right cos her invisible friend in the sky told her so
plus she's not a mother
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52131984]plus she's not a mother[/QUOTE] I wouldn't hold that against her
Why would you condemn something to be that thing's child? Jesus, you'd get a better kid out of a bohemian nationalist.
Some hopeful opponant of the Tory party said she was a better candidate because she was a mother while May wasn't. Just a dumb thing they said to remind people what numpties the party has in its ranks.
It was Andrea Leadson, some utter nobody who thought she'd have a chance of being leader. She was Energy Minister and on her first day asked if climate change was real. She also claimed that women are less keen on fracking than men because they "don't understand" it. Under May her role became secretary of State for Environment, food and rural affairs despite her support for fox hunting, selling forests and her opposition to climate change measures She's another one of the god fearing conservatives
Still a numpty.
Oh yeah she's an utter fruit cake. [editline]21st April 2017[/editline] Has anyone read the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists. It was written 100 years ago and poses the same question about working classes voting conservative
Time to crank out the Cassetteboy, genuinely the funniest videos I've seen to do with politics: [video=youtube;D2fSXp6N-vs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fSXp6N-vs[/video] [video=youtube;vbLGG5UGEKw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLGG5UGEKw[/video] [video=youtube;uK7DRJx9nbU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK7DRJx9nbU[/video]
it's ridiculous how many people think that it's just blue team vs red team. you're voting for an MP, not a prime minister and not a party[I] (techinically)[/I]. it baffles me how many times i've seen people on facebook, people here and people on reddit slagging off X party for doing something and not fully understanding how the house of commons works. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34987921[/URL] remember this? parliament had a vote on whether or not to allow bombing of IS targets in syria. news outlets spun the story against the conservatives, calling david cameron a murderer etc. my facebook feed was in outrage, all of my friends/acquaintances that voted for the red team read these stories and were disgusted. take a look at the link and scroll down a wee bit. see how many labour MPs voted in favour of this? how many conservative MPs voted against it? it's almost like each MP is a person that makes their own decisions! fucking shocking
[QUOTE=zerosix;52132284]it's ridiculous how many people think that it's just blue team vs red team. you're voting for an MP, not a prime minister and not a party[I] (techinically)[/I]. it baffles me how many times i've seen people on facebook, people here and people on reddit slagging off X party for doing something and not fully understanding how the house of commons works. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34987921[/URL] remember this? parliament had a vote on whether or not to allow bombing of IS targets in syria. news outlets spun the story against the conservatives, calling david cameron a murderer etc. my facebook feed was in outrage, all of my friends/acquaintances that voted for the red team read these stories and were disgusted. take a look at the link and scroll down a wee bit. see how many labour MPs voted in favour of this? how many conservative MPs voted against it? [B]it's almost like each MP is a person that makes their own decisions! fucking shocking[/B][/QUOTE] i see you have never heard of party lines, or whips!
[QUOTE=MissZoey;52132219]Cassetteboy[/QUOTE] I want to live in the music universe. This one sucks, it's cruel and perverse.
i fully understand that the "whip" is a thing, but i literally just linked proof that people (a considerable amount) do go against it. all i'm trying to say is that there's a lot more to UK politics than party 1 vs party 2. there are individuals that represent each party that have their own ideals and opinions and that should be a huge factor in who you're voting for going back to my facebook anecdote - the people that were so disgusted by this ruling actually voted for an MP that voted in favor of it. they're so closed minded and worn down to the idea of our party vs theirs that they'll probably never know or understand that they elected someone that voted against "their" parties' ideals.
people spouting 'murderers' on facebook at our decision to intervene seem to conveniently forget, or are just plain ignorant of assad's and putin's actions in the region
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;52133284]people spouting 'murderers' on facebook at our decision to intervene seem to conveniently forget, or are just plain ignorant of assad's and putin's actions in the region[/QUOTE] I really don't pay attention to the crap people post on facebook and I only use it to keep in touch with folk. Some guy was saying that anyone who didn't vote SNP should be shot and another was saying that UK soldiers are currently hunting down and killing Syrian children. Both of them are completely delusional, obviously.
Going to Amsterdam in a month, it's so cheap boys.
[QUOTE=Jame's;52135736]Going to Amsterdam in a month, it's so cheap boys.[/QUOTE] Going next week (Tuesday!) and also Finland/Helsinki- Can't wait :D
[QUOTE=benbb;52135750]Going next week (Tuesday!) and also Finland/Helsinki- Can't wait :D[/QUOTE] Yeah buddy : D You going for the weed or the sights?
[QUOTE=Jame's;52135752]Yeah buddy : D You going for the weed or the sights?[/QUOTE] Both! Never been to either place before.
[QUOTE=Jame's;52135736]Going to Amsterdam in a month, it's so cheap boys.[/QUOTE] it's not tho, not if you do museums and stuff. the food is quite expensive too. weed is weed price. people harp on about it being cheap but it's really not, i spent all of my spending money really quickly
Damn, I didn't know this thread existed. I feel like I've been needing a place to think out loud for a while, so here it goes. I apologise in advance for this. I find the direction that the UK is going at the moment desperate and tragic. I'm not a red-hugger or a blue-hugger and I tend to change which party I favour rather often. I don't believe in total capitalism or total socialism. But right now I find myself hating everything Conservative with a sort of patriotic passion, like this is not what Britain is, this is not what we stood for even under the previous Prime Minister. Not for a second did I believe my country - and especially my home in Wales - would vote so callously to leave the EU and for such evil reasons (arguable, but at least a portion of Leave voters did and still do want to see foreigners and immigrants herded to the ports, I've heard it with my ears and read it in several papers). I'm not going to rant about the whole of the Brexit debacle but for me the most painful, evil part of this whole thing is the Cabinet's flat out refusal to support or encourage EU nationals living in the UK, leading me to believe we're currently being governed by a bunch of 'that type' of Leave voter as I mentioned before. The very thought of three-million-plus vibrant, living, loving and for the most part good people being threatened and hated by our government and huge swathes of our population every day is enough to make me physically sick. But it's not just Brexit that bothers me. Only yesterday I read about Conservative MPs rejecting an amendment that would give landlords a duty to maintain a [i]basic standard of maintenance[/i] to keep the increasing number of renters safe and healthy in their homes. I mean, for fuck's sake, this shit is bordering on UDHR violation, but do you think the Tories give a fuck? Their justification was 'Increasing rent as a result of this bill would make it harder for renters to get a home in the first place' which is probably a little bit true but, in my town alone, people have been crying to the media as nobody else will listen, because their children are slowly dying as a result of terrible housing conditions which are willingly imposed by landlords. They call themselves the party of business, the party of success, but we are crashing down, racing to the bottom so incredibly fast. Similar policy-making can be seen all over the Government. Our weapons industry is the most willing and eager partner of murderous states like Saudi Arabia. I've been involved with the RAF for some years and seeing Typhoons flying strikes against civilian targets in the Yemen is, to me, absolutely abhorrent. Theresa May has touted similar alliances with despots such as Recep Erdogan. It just beggars belief. Now you might say, this is all just a party's doing. Why would it cause you to lose faith in your entire nation? Well, although polls and media can sometimes be a bit skewed and inaccurate, it's clear that there is still a huge support base for [i]everything[/i] these absolute thundercunts are doing in our name. This isn't just our government being a loose cannon anymore, this is the people saying "actually, we like this. let's be more like this." And it doesn't represent my views to even the smallest extent. I am actively on the way to becoming an Airman but I have begun to question whether I can, in good conscience, follow the orders and do the bidding of a country which seems to be sliding into pure - if rather ignorant - evil. I often see the 'are we the bad guys' meme being toted in SH and ask myself that very question more and more. Am I signing up to become an Imperial Stormtrooper? Perhaps I'm being pathetic. Maybe this isn't the first time in recent history people have felt this way, I'm not sure because I've only been politically aware for a few years. But right now a rapid escape with what skills I have into liberal Europe is becoming a real idea in my head. Will this dark time pass? Because if not, I want out of this nuthouse.
I'm waiting for the revolution when all this tension between races, classes, cultures, and political idealogies just snaps. Hopefully I'm far enough away from the racial violence capital that is Luton to not have to worry about molotovs and stormtroopers and the local shops will still be open. Or maybe China will just take over everything and I'll have to rely on my experience playing Dynasty Warriors to integrate. I don't believe in any positive stereotype about the British population, not even a love of tea. But two things I do believe we do well is binge drink and riot. [editline]22nd April 2017[/editline] And I don't care if May is watching everything I do online, I'll keep watching porn and being crass about political figures.
I'm going Dam in July for a stag do, not looking forward to it that much. I think we're going to have to do stag do stuff. I just wanna have a nice time
Remember you as an individual can still make peoples lives better. If the thought of 3 million foreigners being shat on by your government makes you sick, then do something about it. Be nice, and sincerely genuine to the people that live in your area, and if you can get involved politically. Even if its just local council meetings, you do have an impact on your area if you put yourself out there. You can easily lose faith in your government, but you are surrounded by people just like you, so put your faith in them instead. I think Britain and the people living here are pretty incredible on the local levels.
[QUOTE=icemaz;52136655]Remember you as an individual can still make peoples lives better. If the thought of 3 million foreigners being shat on by your government makes you sick, then do something about it. Be nice, and sincerely genuine to the people that live in your area, and if you can get involved politically. Even if its just local council meetings, you do have an impact on your area if you put yourself out there. You can easily lose faith in your government, but you are surrounded by people just like you, so put your faith in them instead. I think Britain and the people living here are pretty incredible on the local levels.[/QUOTE] That's what I've been wondering lately - how, as a young and not very imposing or popular person, can I get involved and make a difference? I think now it really is about mobilisation if we're going to have any hope of recovering this situation. That said, I've literally just seen perhaps the most blasted awful Tory supporter I ever met disown his party because the schools in his constituency just went deeply into the red because of another cut to education. Perhaps they're finally destroying themselves.
I don't think all hope is lost yet. Even the dullest, shilliest Tory voters i've met so far have been upset at T-Mizzle's call for a snap election, because even an actual brick could see that she's doing this purely for political gain, and not for any altruistic reasons. This isn't "for the people" or "for unity", it's because she's sick and tired of hearing dissenting voices in the Commons and hopes to (legally) get rid of them, and a lot of people are getting wise to this. If Ms. May was any good of a politician, she would be able to sway over her opponents through charisma, but unfortunately she has the charisma of a mouldy kebab.
Not that it's any defense, but you could count the number of charismatic British politicians on one hand with fingers to spare.
I'm a fan of Mhairi Black and Dennis Skinner tbh [img]https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/indy100/xyvV8th3lb/1798-23jwv5.PNG[/img] she says what we're all thinking
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