Atheists are more interested in Religion than most Religious People - General

[QUOTE=Ladowerf;32532951]i love how every atheist thinks every christian ever is a stern amish guy from the middle ages.[/QUOTE] No we don't. I love how every christain thinks we simply can't stand christians and burn bibles every day.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32533607]No we don't. I love how every christain thinks we simply can't stand christians and burn bibles every day.[/QUOTE] Do you really want to stereotype people like this.

Fighting stereotypes with stereotypes. A bit nonsensical.

[QUOTE=CatFodder;32527258]Many atheists, including myself, were once religious and so have a good knowledge of how religion works.[/QUOTE] Indeed I go to a Catholic school and (have) to do RE classes, R.E interests me despite the fact I am an Atheist (wasn't ever religious although did believe in a God briefly for a month or so then kind of grew out of it if that makes sense)

[QUOTE=Ladowerf;32532951]i love how [B]every[/B] atheist thinks [B]every[/B] christian [B]ever[/B] is a stern amish guy from the middle ages. religion is not that bad. I think atheists have a problem with christianity, as they fucking rush to it, but leave judaism alone. why is that? atheists also seem to forget the fact that religion is based on hope. THERE IS NO PROOF. that is the fucking point. you have to be willing to believe in a religion that makes sense to you spiritually. personally, im christian because I think there has to be a god and that the bible sets good guidelines for living your life. some is a little iffy but nevertheless, I am a god-fearing christian.[/QUOTE] I'm an atheist, and your post is just... dumb. I'm pretty much the exact opposite of that and [I]so are most atheists I've met.[/I] Great job man, you did good at being a completely ignorant dick about atheists. I accept ALL real religions by the way, but despise all extremists and cast them away as 'sinners' and misguided, hated, inhuman freaks, because thats all an extremist is. It's disgusting at how intolerant and blind they are, and unacceptable. I'm going to not debate with you if thats your atittude. Your being stupid. [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] "EVERYONE THAT IS THIS IS THIS WAY" :downs:

[QUOTE=deaded38;32529111]Said it before, but I will say it again. I believe in history more than I do in science. I also don't see what the point of the quotes were. If you're trying to convert me to your almighty Atheism, it isn't working. I believe in God because it's what I believe. As said before though, if I don't believe everything in the Bible, that doesn't not make me a Christian.[/QUOTE] History is science.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32533229]Why would you believe something with no evidence behind it? Do you believe Lord of the Rings to be a book you can base religion on?[/QUOTE] people don't always make rational decisions, you know coupled with the fact that lord of the rings is a relatively modern work released as fiction whereas other religious texts are thousands of years old with histories of people following them for centuries

[QUOTE=DrBreen;32525156]I love christian mythology, purely on a literary level, not the 'believe' thing, i think we should all be past that.[/QUOTE] Christianity holds firmer than most other religions now because it's one of the only ones that's based on historical events rather than purely just stories. It's just that those events happened so long ago, they could be incredibly deviated from the truth.

[QUOTE=Macktastic;32539020]people don't always make rational decisions, you know coupled with the fact that lord of the rings is a relatively modern work released as fiction whereas other religious texts are thousands of years old with histories of people following them for centuries[/QUOTE] Just because something is old and widely read doesn't mean it's any more credible.

[QUOTE=Chrille;32537845]Said it before, but I will say it again. I believe in history more than I do in science. I also don't see what the point of the quotes were. If you're trying to convert me to your almighty Atheism, it isn't working. I believe in God because it's what I believe. As said before though, if I don't believe everything in the Bible, that doesn't not make me a Christian.[/QUOTE] So if we called little red riding hood "history" instead of "fairy tale" it would be a good idea to believe in that more than science?

[QUOTE=Noble;32539435]So if we called little red riding hood "history" instead of "fairy tale" it would be a good idea to believe in that more than science?[/QUOTE] Well to be history it had to actually happen. There's historical evidence for the events described in the gospels. Not all of them but enough to piece together that it's not complete fiction.

The guy in the video in the OP is probably wrong just because he's arguing over semantics of an English version of a book that was written in Hebrew. I don't think you can actually make arguments about Christianity if you're clinging to one word that was probably mistranslated from the original version. [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] Don't get me wrong, I'm an atheist too, but what the Bible says doesn't even matter. If people want to hate homosexuals, then arguing about semantics in the Bible is going to change anyone's mind.

I'm posting this directly to answer the OP: You need to choose your words more carefully. Atheists are not "interested" so much as "concerned". Let me explain. Say that for some wild reason, you believe Crest toothpaste is made from donkey dicks so you buy the Colgate toothpaste instead. Your belief has just affected your actions. Now let's blow this up a bit. You believe that homosexuality will bring about the end of the world, so in order to "serve God" and delay how you believe the world is going to end, you vote for politicians who seek to ban the practice. Is this sinking in yet? I hope so. What you, even as an individual, believe about humans, the universe, and everything, [B]CAN[/B] actually affect other people and the world around you. When you take these beliefs and multiply them by millions of people, the effects can be powerful (and often, catastrophic). As an atheist philosopher, I am going to tell you this: you, along with every single other human being on this planet, have a duty to yourself, your friends and family, all mankind and even the entire universe, to make sure that what you believe in is as accurate as possible; even one wrong belief held by one man can seriously fuck up a lot of shit. I don't even want to think about what 150 million ignorant sheep can do.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32539360]Just because something is old and widely read doesn't mean it's any more credible.[/QUOTE] no, but there is clearly a difference between the two; that's my point. I'm not debating credibility at all

[QUOTE=Noble;32529735]Well religion isn't just a personal thing because as you can see it's affecting our governments, our kids schools, and causing division and hate between people and therefore is something that needs to be discussed and debated. God either exists or he doesn't, there's no third option to that question- there is no grey area. To know the answer to that we have to look at the evidence and use logic and reason to make a conclusion. [/QUOTE] In America maybe... but not here. Let's please take it out of the equation because I know there are hard times being that apparently "You can't be a member of the White House, if you aren't a Christian" apparently. (although there are ethnic minorities in the cabinet, so you're wrong) [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32533607]No we don't. I love how every christain thinks we simply can't stand christians and burn bibles every day.[/QUOTE] If you aren't going to contribute something useful, post somewhere else. In my opinion, all that you have to say is typical amongst "Raged Atheists" (not that all atheists are raged)

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;32539770]I'm posting this directly to answer the OP: You need to choose your words more carefully. Atheists are not "interested" so much as "concerned". Let me explain. Say that for some wild reason, you believe Crest toothpaste is made from donkey dicks so you buy the Colgate toothpaste instead. Your belief has just affected your actions. Now let's blow this up a bit. You believe that homosexuality will bring about the end of the world, so in order to "serve God" and delay how you believe the world is going to end, you vote for politicians who seek to ban the practice. Is this sinking in yet? I hope so. What you, even as an individual, believe about humans, the universe, and everything, [B]CAN[/B] actually affect other people and the world around you. When you take these beliefs and multiply them by millions of people, the effects can be powerful (and often, catastrophic). As an atheist philosopher, I am going to tell you this: you, along with every single other human being on this planet, have a duty to yourself, your friends and family, all mankind and even the entire universe, to make sure that what you believe in is as accurate as possible; even one wrong belief held by one man can seriously fuck up a lot of shit. I don't even want to think about what 150 million ignorant sheep can do.[/QUOTE] There will always be ignorant sheep around, with or without religion. I've been reading a book by the maker of the Bad Science blog recently. It's goes into how easily people are misled by badly executed, badly interpreted and purposefully misleading "scientific" research (mostly in medical science, which is his field). I agree that people shouldn't put obstacles in the way of progress for no reason, but I can't see why telling religious people that they are mindless idiots helps that in any way. I think people should try to inform themselves as much as possible, but that goes for atheists as well.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;32540699]There will always be ignorant sheep around, with or without religion. I've been reading a book by the maker of the Bad Science blog recently. It's goes into how easily people are misled by badly executed, badly interpreted and purposefully misleading "scientific" research (mostly in medical science, which is his field). I agree that people shouldn't put obstacles in the way of progress for no reason, but I can't see why telling religious people that they are mindless idiots helps that in any way. I think people should try to inform themselves as much as possible, but that goes for atheists as well.[/QUOTE]Of course that goes for atheists. Informing yourself goes for EVERYONE, NO EXCEPTIONS. But fuck we do not need a layer of bullshit filtering our knowledge. Religion is a tool we no longer need, and it won't be missed.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;32541139]Religion is a tool we no longer need, and it won't be missed.[/QUOTE] Dude, what makes you think you are worthy to talk on behalf of the human race?

[QUOTE=AK'z;32541298]Dude, what makes you think you are worthy to talk on behalf of the human race?[/QUOTE]So rather than address the entire issue of ensuring that people's beliefs are accurate so they don't fuck everyone else's lives up, you're going to cherry pick this one line? You tell me how religious people are somehow exempt from validating their beliefs so they don't fuck the world and everyone in it, and maybe I'll answer your question.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;32541395]So rather than address the entire issue of ensuring that people's beliefs are accurate so they don't fuck everyone else's lives up, you're going to cherry pick this one line? You tell me how religious people are somehow exempt from validating their beliefs so they don't fuck the world and everyone it in, and maybe I'll answer your question.[/QUOTE] People are happy = You are unhappy because they are happy about something you don't care for. It's fairly clear about what the REAL issue is here.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32541493]People are happy = You are unhappy because they are happy about something you don't care for. It's fairly clear about what the REAL issue is here.[/QUOTE] You're dodging the question.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32541552]You're dodging the question.[/QUOTE] I see no issue here at all, he seems to have the problem. And only he needs to deal with it.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32541493]People are happy = You are unhappy because they are happy about something you don't care for. It's fairly clear about what the REAL issue is here.[/QUOTE]The real issue here is that I didn't design my post the way people designed the bible: my post isn't some fucking jenga tower that you can pull blocks out of piecemeal and pick and choose what you want to believe out of it, it is a philosophical argument that only works as a cohesive document. Answer my question or get the fuck out.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;32541684] get the fuck out.[/QUOTE] I started this discussion and all I see that you're doing is presenting a collection of overasserting cases that really nobody cares about. I also don't quite get what your point is, or what your question is trying to ask.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32541741]I started this discussion and all I see that you're doing is presenting a collection of overasserting cases that really nobody cares about. I also don't quite get what your point is, or what your question is trying to ask.[/QUOTE]Ok so you asked a question in the OP. I answered it. Instead of address it, ask questions, or even agree with it, you cherry picked one line. ONE SINGLE LINE. I answered your question. I told you what atheists are concerned about when it comes to religion. Now you need to tell us why we shouldn't be afraid of that.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;32539474]Well to be history it had to actually happen. There's historical evidence for the events described in the gospels. Not all of them but enough to piece together that it's not complete fiction.[/QUOTE] Find me one piece of evidence of a Jewish exodus from Egypt.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;32541805]Ok so you asked a question in the OP. I answered it. Instead of address it, ask questions, or even agree with it, you cherry picked one line. ONE SINGLE LINE. I answered your question. I told you what atheists are concerned about when it comes to religion. Now you need to tell us why we shouldn't be afraid of that.[/QUOTE] Ah, right.. see I missed your original post. What I have to say, is I admire your care.. it's nice. In ways, religion hasn't been a "comfort zone" for people and rather a "barracade" for people who want to break through. People might think it's rough in America when it comes to religion, but it's a LOT worse in third world areas where religion has kind of become a dictatorship. Now, I don't want to discuss Sharia laws and what grief is causes by religion, simply because it's an aspect of what people can do with religion that does something pretty poor if you ask me. That being said, my views about spiritual beliefs are mainly about individuality rather than the cults and groups. Now onto your point of view... homosexuality has become a big deal for religious folk because it's only recently that people have started to realise it does no harm to society at all. It is a surprise to the system for hardcore religious folk and personally, I don't care. Because the Abrahamic faiths are the ones to blame for this, and the only thing they can do is solve their issues with homosexuality. Realistically though, it doesn't affect political votes because we know how [I]reliably fair[/I] they are. Finally, philosophy in my eyes, is based mostly on imaginative thought on how people see life. Your words are far too unnecessary and vulgar to be philosophical, it's more as if you focus on the hurt rather than the enjoyment. Philosophically speaking, we're now in an age where more people are [I]coming to[/I] gain an insight into other people's way of thinking more than before. Now I have to proof for this, but it's how I feel because we are communicating about life in more ways than just what a scripture reads. We have come to accept races as equal over the last century, now it's our turn to make this century one to capture people's ways of thinking.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32541741]I started this discussion and all I see that you're doing is presenting a collection of overasserting cases that really nobody cares about. I also don't quite get what your point is, or what your question is trying to ask.[/QUOTE] Flak is right, this whole thread all you have made very few actual points. Why shouldn't atheists be concerned about religion when it directly affects society in so many ways? Bloody point making ninja...

There are ways in which we can deal with the issues we have with religion, that are other than shouting insults because one knows more than the other about a book.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32542358]There are ways in which we can deal with the issues we have with religion, that are other than shouting insults because one knows more than the other about a book.[/QUOTE] "I think your belief is irrational and here's why" is not an insult, especially not in the debate section.