Atheists are more interested in Religion than most Religious People - General

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32542466]"I think your belief is irrational and here's why" is not an insult, especially not in the debate section.[/QUOTE] The mind works in ways that you could say is irrational too.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32542358]There are ways in which we can deal with the issues we have with religion, that are other than shouting insults because one knows more than the other about a book.[/QUOTE] You are avoiding the question again. I don't call people idiots or shout because someone believes something different. I'm not a very good example as I haven't taken the time to learn about the intricacies of christianity but I also don't argue about it a whole lot. You are right that a lot of people act irrationally about dispelling other people beliefs but that doesn't mean that no one should try to debate the existance of a god.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;32542637]that doesn't mean that no one should try to debate the existance of a god.[/QUOTE] Not really, see I have respect for certain people who have lived. These people showed an affection for God, and I relate to their happiness. (I'm simply talking about soul music here if it seems confusing. :>) Debating is pointless, due to one side having only the evidence of a "mindset" and nothing else. It's bound to always have atheists as the winners because it is very easy to argue about it. If it's so incredibly easy, why bother? How about do something a little more interesting, such as relate to people's joy when they are given this image of "God" by their loved ones. Seems tacky, but some have the heart to just celebrate their imagination.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32542526]The mind works in ways that you could say is irrational too.[/QUOTE] And the whole point of a debate is to use logic and reason to substantiate your arguments, which you have not done.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32542767]Not really, see I have respect for certain people who have lived. These people showed an affection for God, and I relate to their happiness. (I'm simply talking about soul music here if it seems confusing. :>) Debating is pointless, due to one side having only the evidence of a "mindset" and nothing else. It's bound to always have atheists as the winners because it is very easy to argue about it. If it's so incredibly easy, why bother? How about do something a little more interesting, such as relate to people's joy when they are given this image of "God" by their loved ones. Seems tacky, but some have the heart to just celebrate their imagination.[/QUOTE] People shouldn't need a god to be happy, but that is beside the point. We shouldn't have to ignore something which so obviously does cause problems all around the world. You are right that debating with strangers on the internet is pointless and won't change anything but just ignoring the issue completely and being happy that they are happy won't solve anything.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32542767]Debating is pointless, due to one side having only the evidence of a "mindset" and nothing else. It's bound to always have atheists as the winners because it is very easy to argue about it.[/QUOTE] You're a fool if you ignore well-founded arguments in a debate, no one should be so entrenched in their position that they ignore empirical, unbiased (to a reasonable extent) evidence.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32542963]And the whole point of a debate is to use logic and reason to substantiate your arguments, which you have not done.[/QUOTE] Why are you targeting me? I have made the points I've needed to make whether it answers your questions or not, you are the ones to interpret them however you like. I'm not here to win the arguement, I'm simply trying to get people to talk some sense about the topic.

It's true that Atheists are way more interested in Religions than most people that believe in the various Gods around the world. I have to say, religion keeps us one step behind from being smarter. Also we'd loose a war reason. There's only 3 reasons to war: petrol, religion, and politics.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32526703]It's interesting how Hinduism and Buddhism have next to no arguements. That's because most of the things they have to say apply to modern science (the world being uncreated) as well as society. There ethics are more in terms of [I]how[/I] you live your life and how you think.[/QUOTE] buddism has no god/s in it hinduism has plenty of arguments with the muslims

[QUOTE=AK'z;32543000]Why are you targeting me? I have made the points I've needed to make whether it answers your questions or not, you are the ones to interpret them however you like. I'm not here to win the arguement, I'm simply trying to get people to talk some sense about the topic.[/QUOTE] You're the OP, what do you mean "targeting you"? When you or anyone else says something I disagree with, I generally respond to it.

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;32543299] hinduism has plenty of arguments with the muslims[/QUOTE] Who doesn't? [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32543353]You're the OP, what do you mean "targeting you"? When you or anyone else says something I disagree with, I generally respond to it.[/QUOTE] Your response has been "you haven't answered the question".

[QUOTE=AK'z;32543461] Your response has been "you haven't answered the question".[/QUOTE] That's probably because you avoid half the questions directed at you.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;32543583]That's probably because you avoid half the questions directed at you.[/QUOTE] Ask away.

Why shouldn't atheists be concerned about religion when it directly affects society in so many ways?

[QUOTE=squids_eye;32543641]Why shouldn't atheists be concerned about religion when it directly affects society in so many ways?[/QUOTE] What I meant in the OP when I said "Doesn't really concern them" is slightly a miswording on my part. But it kind of applies in a way, because I personally think the kind of person wanting to read all these scriptures for the sake of studying alone rather than "gaining spirituality", are merely [I]curious[/I]. Religion affects society, only due to the fact that there are so many people in society who are religious. Other than that, you have no issue. Fair enough, some aspects of politics may be influenced in a certain way to make religious people happy, but it is in the end, better to keep the whole country happy than have a group of realists happy and other half feeling casted aside. I want your view of how it affects society for the worse.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32543783]What I meant in the OP when I said "Doesn't really concern them" is slightly a miswording on my part. But it kind of applies in a way, because I personally think the kind of person wanting to read all these scriptures for the sake of studying alone rather than "gaining spirituality", are merely [I]curious[/I]. Religion affects society, only due to the fact that there are so many people in society who are religious. Other than that, you have no issue. Fair enough, some aspects of politics may be influenced in a certain way to make religious people happy, but it is in the end, better to keep the whole country happy than have a group of realists happy and other half feeling casted aside. I want your view of how it affects society for the worse.[/QUOTE] I'm not just talking about christianity. I'm talking about religious war, people like the westboro baptists who picket peoples funerals, people who are surpressed because of sexuality or background. Religion creates differences and differences create hate. By no means do I mean everyone should be the same but people shouldn't harbour hate for each other because of stories their parents told them as kids. I have no problem with people who honour religious values aslong as they don't persecute other people because their god told them they were sinners.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;32543862]I'm not just talking about christianity. I'm talking about religious war, people like the westboro baptists who picket peoples funerals, people who are surpressed because of sexuality or background. Religion creates differences and differences create hate. By no means do I mean everyone should be the same but people shouldn't harbour hate for each other because of stories their parents told them as kids. I have no problem with people who honour religious values aslong as they don't persecute other people because their god told them they were sinners.[/QUOTE] Westboro Baptist Group affects 0% of the population.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32544140]Westboro Baptist Group affects 0% of the population.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure that's false.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32544140]Westboro Baptist Group affects 0% of the population.[/QUOTE] Apart from the families of the dead soldiers who's funerals they picket. Good job ignoring the rest of the post though.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;32543641]Why shouldn't atheists be concerned about religion when it directly affects society in so many ways?[/QUOTE] I see no reason why you shouldn't be. If you were to ignore it completely, then you'd be ignoring a major part of society. I think that generally more understanding is needed and burying you head in the sand isn't going to help anybody. I'm with AK'z on a lot of things, like this: [QUOTE=AK'z;32542767]Not really, see I have respect for certain people who have lived. These people showed an affection for God, and I relate to their happiness. (I'm simply talking about soul music here if it seems confusing. :>) Debating is pointless, due to one side having only the evidence of a "mindset" and nothing else. It's bound to always have atheists as the winners because it is very easy to argue about it. If it's so incredibly easy, why bother? How about do something a little more interesting, such as relate to people's joy when they are given this image of "God" by their loved ones. Seems tacky, but some have the heart to just celebrate their imagination.[/QUOTE] Anecdotal evidence doesn't belong in a debate like this, but really that's all religious people have. Of course we don't have any evidence, you know it, we know it. Challenging a Christian to a logical debate is like challenging a man with no legs to a race, but saying he isn't allowed to use his wheelchair. oh and one other thing: [QUOTE=squids_eye;32542979]People shouldn't need a god to be happy,...[/QUOTE] why not?[QUOTE=squids_eye;32542979]... but that is beside the point. We shouldn't have to ignore something which so obviously does cause problems all around the world. You are right that debating with strangers on the internet is pointless and won't change anything but just ignoring the issue completely and being happy that they are happy won't solve anything.[/QUOTE] kind of see what you're getting at with the rest. People need to be more understanding and I do agree that some people need to be more rational and empathetic.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;32544188]Apart from the families of the dead soldiers who's funerals they picket. Good job ignoring the rest of the post though.[/QUOTE] "Religion creates differences and differences create hate" Give me a break, you sound like an imbecilic version of Yoda.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32544140]Westboro Baptist Group affects 0% of the population.[/QUOTE] Don't get me started on those fuckheads. The only time I've ever felt ashamed to be a Christian is when I heard about them. There is something seriously wrong with a country that allows them to carry on.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;32544245]Anecdotal evidence doesn't belong in a debate like this, but really that's all religious people have. Of course we don't have any evidence, you know it, we know it. Challenging a Christian to a logical debate is like challenging a man with no legs to a race, but saying he isn't allowed to use his wheelchair.[/QUOTE] Shouldn't the fact that you can't defend it with anything outside of unverifiable anecdotes tell you something about how credible it is?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32544300]Shouldn't the fact that you can't defend it with anything outside of unverifiable anecdotes tell you something about how credible it is?[/QUOTE] I can verify them with my own experiences. Why does everybody think we just believe what we're told like good little sheep? I'm not talking about things I've heard about, I mean that all the christians I know (including myself) have experienced things that they would consider reasons to believe. But if I were to make out a list: a) you'd have to take my word for it and b) you probably wouldn't be very impressed anyway.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32544256]"Religion creates differences and differences create hate" Give me a break, you sound like an imbecilic version of Yoda.[/QUOTE] And you sound like a smug asshole but I don't point that out to avoid the rest of what you have said. You can't deny that religion negatively affects the world.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;32544409]And you sound like a [B]smug asshole[/B] but I don't point that out to avoid the rest of what you have said. You can't deny that religion negatively affects the world.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k135/siege223/random/smug.png[/IMG] But in all seriousness, you are merely generalising that "imaginative thinking is bad, we should all be realists". Also, if you really said "You don't need God to be happy", then you are really patronizing. It's like a teacher telling a student "You don't need alcohol to have a good time".

[QUOTE=Kopimi;32529903]You are literally one of the most nonsensical and dodgy debaters I've seen on the topic of religion. You've yet to address any of anyone's concerns, you just keep saying that you believe in history over religion, which would be reasonable except that your understanding of history is based on an ancient, unreliable book translated through dead languages and modified by monarchs throughout history, yet you use it as if its an absolute factual account of history. The understanding of history by parties that were not directly involved in the events in question all comes down to word of mouth. You only know history based on the accounts of other people, and if the Bible is your best example of these people's testimonies then you're more than misinformed. Science, however, provides a solid set of laws that can be used to test the truth of claims, especially historical ones.[/QUOTE] I haven't dodged anybody, for one. For two, I've clearly stated that I do not believe everything in the Bible. If it can solidly (not just, "ohai teh univerce waz big bangd") be proved with science, then I tend to believe it.

[QUOTE=deaded38;32544544](not just, "ohai teh univerce waz big bangd")[/QUOTE] Scientists aren't chavs.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;32544409]And you sound like a smug asshole but I don't point that out to avoid the rest of what you have said. You can't deny that religion negatively affects the world.[/QUOTE] I'd say that people being unempathetic assholes negatively affects the world. [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;32544719]Scientists aren't chavs.[/QUOTE] You just gave me a terrible metal picture

[QUOTE=AK'z;32544510][IMG]http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k135/siege223/random/smug.png[/IMG] But in all seriousness, you are merely generalising that "imaginative thinking is bad, we should all be realists". Also, if you really said "You don't need God to be happy", then you are really patronizing. It's like a teacher telling a student "You don't need alcohol to have a good time".[/QUOTE] How am I saying that imaginative thinking is bad? You are probably right about the not needing god to be happy comment, it is a little patronising but I still think it is true. I don't have a problem with people believing in a god. I just don't like how religion affects people who want nothing to do with it.