Atheists are more interested in Religion than most Religious People - General

Why have some sort of trust in science? The fact that scientists are okay with flat out saying that they don't know is pretty good to me. No one is omnipotent in knowledge, and I notice that religious people claim to know far more than scientists do.

[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32545952]Why have some sort of trust in science? The fact that scientists are okay with flat out saying that they don't know is pretty good to me. No one is omnipotent in knowledge, and I notice that religious people claim to know far more than scientists do.[/QUOTE] Because when scientists claim to know something, they back it up with evidence, and admit that they were wrong. The Bible has gone through so many edits, yet has always claimed to be correct and know the answers to how our world was created.

Science is more of a "happening" rather than a topic with a basis. The only basis science has is the method, but I can't really more than that because there's far too much going on in science to comprehend.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;32545791]the strangest was (to cut a long story short) a friend at church offering to lend me money, completely out of the blue when I really needed it.[/QUOTE] Do you not consider it a little ungrateful to credit a concerned friends charity to an act of the almighty?

[QUOTE=AK'z;32545917]When I was listening to Pink Floyd's Echoes with big headphones while on a journey, while the weather here was "blizzard-like" and snow everywhere, I felt an "out of body experience" there that can't be compared to much I've experienced in music before. But then again, I've had a lot of them over the last 3 or so years.[/QUOTE] I actually had a really William Blake-style vision due to music and a binaural beats track. I was listening to this weird "fake drugs music" which is supposed to replicate drugs, although it didn't to my experience it was still very esoteric the feeling I got. I was on my way through the lake district in autumn and it was raining quite heavily outside our car. Suddenly the track on my Ipod switched from this quiet ambientish track to Radio nowhere by Bruce Springsteen. I opened my eyes in shock and even though I was only on a road surrounded by grey rainy trees, I had this very definite feeling in the deepest part of me that I was in 'hell', or that the world had ended and life had left. It's an indescribably beautiful and horrific moment. I guess that's the closest I've ever been to a 'religious experience' really

[QUOTE=AK'z;32545094]Some are a bit more stubborn bro. Let things die down in the middle east and we'll get back to the peace road pretty soon. Well not that soon...[/QUOTE] Die down in the Middle East? How, when and why? I don't foresee the hyper-religious mideast doing anything less than becoming more and more aggressive and proactive as long as the civilized world leans towards secular humanism, which it inevitably is, regardless of whether the United States EVER recovers from the downward spiral of the similarly advancing religious right or not. The best thing we can do is keep pushing education and not react to their threats whenever we breach taboos of THEIR religious culture. They won't "die down", they're behavior will escalate as their status quo is threatened by a changing world, but only by remaining firm will our ideals ever infiltrate their culture and at LEAST soften them, kicking and screaming, to the relatively "docile" standard of modern-day Christianity.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;32546040]I actually had a really William Blake-style vision due to music and a binaural beats track. I was listening to this weird "fake drugs music" which is supposed to replicate drugs, although it didn't to my experience it was still very esoteric the feeling I got. I was on my way through the lake district in autumn and it was raining quite heavily outside our car. Suddenly the track on my Ipod switched from this quiet ambientish track to Radio nowhere by Bruce Springsteen. I opened my eyes in shock and even though I was only on a road surrounded by grey rainy trees, I had this very definite feeling in the deepest part of me that I was in 'hell', or that the world had ended and life had left. It's an indescribably beautiful and horrific moment. I guess that's the closest I've ever been to a 'religious experience' really[/QUOTE] Trust Bruce Springsteen to ruin a deep moment in someone's life. :]

[QUOTE=AK'z;32546009]Science is more of a "happening" rather than a topic with a basis. The only basis science has is the method, but I can't really more than that because there's far too much going on in science to comprehend.[/QUOTE] I can't really more than that either AK'z. I don't know who can really more than that.

[QUOTE=J!NX;32536012]I'm going to not debate with you if thats your atittude. Your being stupid[/QUOTE]Fighting generalization with generalization. I was explaining how dumb generalizing is.

[QUOTE=J-Dude;32546059]How, when and why? [/QUOTE] Dude I'm not some kind of Superman, we'll have to wait and see. [editline]30th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;32546140]I can't really more than that either AK'z. I don't know who can really more than that.[/QUOTE] Nobody can really more than that no more, any more.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32546139]Trust Bruce Springsteen to ruin a deep moment in someone's life. :][/QUOTE] I think he actually made it in a way, that traumatic musical experience actually drove me to some of my best writing while I was at the lake district. I keep getting the feeling I should go back there and try to rekindle that moment, though I may actually require genuine psychadelics this time

[QUOTE=AK'z;32546153]Dude I'm not some kind of Superman, we'll have to wait and see.[/QUOTE] It must be really hard to predict the future when you live in a drug afflicted crazy world that looks like a cross between Life Force and Yellow Submarine, huh.

[QUOTE=Noble;32545553]So basically your thought process is: "Science doesn't know what happened before the big bang yet.. therefore god_reigns."[/QUOTE] Yes, I don't see how that's a problem. You people think that science is the answer to anything and everything. Well, I don't. Deal with it.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;32546187]It must be really hard to predict the future when you live in a drug afflicted crazy world that looks like a cross between Life Force and Yellow Submarine, huh.[/QUOTE] in religion threads, do you seriously try and prove that you are the rational one by being a snippy twat to everyone who disagrees with you in the slightest? Because that's all I've really seen you do so far. You attack people and use sarcasm like that makes you smarter. You are literally the atheist giving other atheists a bad name at this point

[QUOTE=AK'z;32540175]In my opinion, all that you have to say is typical amongst "Raged Atheists" (not that all atheists are raged)[/QUOTE] Double standard much? Someone said all atheists are x and I'm explaining why generalizing is wrong. But apparently thats bad and makes me an angsty, angry atheist. You always construe everything you here from atheists to be bad. You need to stop that and thats why you think all most atheists do is hate on religion all day.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;32546232]in religion threads, do you seriously try and prove that you are the rational one by being a snippy twat to everyone who disagrees with you in the slightest? Because that's all I've really seen you do so far. You attack people and use sarcasm like that makes you smarter. You are literally the atheist giving other atheists a bad name at this point[/QUOTE] Nah, he's a good guy. I just confused the shit out of him in the past with some psychedelic words. ;) [editline]30th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32546269]Double standard much? Someone said all atheists are x and I'm explaining why generalizing is wrong. But apparently thats bad and makes me an angsty, angry atheist. You always construe everything you here from atheists to be bad. You need to stop that and thats why you think all most atheists do is hate on religion all day.[/QUOTE] Nope, just you.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32546274]Nah, he's a good guy. I just confused the shit out of him in the past with some psychedelic words. ;)[/QUOTE] that's aces I guess, I just can't stand the use of Ad hominem in a discussion, especially when the person is trying to appear like the logical one

[QUOTE=AK'z;32541493]People are happy = You are unhappy because they are happy about something you don't care for. [/QUOTE] Yep thats exactly what he said. Its like whenever an atheist says something you read it as if they are saying how badly they hate every christian and wish they would all die or something.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32545664] I get it, you don't know what to believe in, so you choose the almighty Man upstairs. Fair enough, if you like him then good for you.[/QUOTE] No, I believe in God. Maybe not all the principles Christianity follows (gays are bad, everyone goes to hell if they aren't a firm believer, etc). I'm not going to hold is against anybody for believing that science is the answer to everything. If you want to believe in something, go ahead. I don't give a damn if you believe in a fairy tortoise that is a pimp.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32546274]Nope, just you.[/QUOTE] Oh so you create double standards for just me. Thats a lot better. Oh wait no you don't from what I have just seen you do that with other atheists too. You're worse then the rage filled angsty atheists you talk about. Thinking they are concerned with your belief and judging you.

[QUOTE=deaded38;32546308]No, I believe in God. Maybe not all the principles Christianity follows (gays are bad, everyone goes to hell if they aren't a firm believer, etc). I'm not going to hold is against anybody for believing that science is the answer to everything. If you want to believe in something, go ahead. I don't give a damn if you believe in a fairy tortoise that is a pimp.[/QUOTE] Why would you believe in the Bible if you're just going to disregard verses you don't like? [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=deaded38;32546308]No, I believe in God. Maybe not all the principles Christianity follows (gays are bad, everyone goes to hell if they aren't a firm believer, etc). I'm not going to hold is against anybody for believing that science is the answer to everything. If you want to believe in something, go ahead. I don't give a damn if you believe in a fairy tortoise that is a pimp.[/QUOTE] Scientists also don't claim to have the answer to everything, but that we should study and find proof of the things that we can until we are able to get those answers.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32545933]Why do you believe God had anything to do with you thinking about these subjects more, and why would he "make you" think about them even if he did? [/QUOTE] I only mentioned that because it's very recent, the problem is that it's hard to explain. I really don't feel that I would have gotten so much out of the meetings otherwise. It's partly a case of trying to explain the coincidence that 6/7 meetings were on subjects that were bouncing around in my mind in the days leading up to them. I don't know myself. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32545933] Those are not unrealistic occurrences, and frankly I see no point in attributing something like that to God, because like most things of this nature, it's entirely unverifiable. That's less because of God himself, and more because of them attaining a sense of community, which is fine in its own respect. But this is exactly my point. A handful of seemingly meaningful events that in actuality are not that out of the ordinary don't prove anything really. [/QUOTE]I did say that it wouldn't prove anything to you. You were the one who wanted me to tell you. [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32545933] If God had the time and patience to get you a job or heal your foot, why does he not lift people out of poverty, why not help out other people who are getting cholera or polio in poor parts of the world? If he has the time to help a middle class guy in the US, surely he has time for these other, more important things?[/QUOTE]I'm actually in the UK. I can't really explain it. The only answer I can give to this is what I believe: That God has given mankind free will. The situation in third-world countries would not be the way they are if it wasn't for the corruption and greed of their leaders. For god to change the situation in those places he would have to directly interfere with the will of these men. He sent Christ to teach us the way to go and gave us the earth to look after, so now the followers of Christ are God's hands in the world. You aren't me, so you can't appreciate the things I mentioned. I didn't list them to say: "See, this is proof! Bow down heathen scum!" I listed them because you wanted to know what kind of things make me into a Christian.

I could go on all day about parts of the Bible that are absolutely disgusting: [B]"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back."[/B] -Titus 2:9 [B]"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel."[/B] -Peter 2:18 [B]"Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her as a covering."[/B] -1 Corinthians 11:13-15 [B]"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says."[/B] -1 Corinthians 14:34

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32546330]Oh so you create double standards for just me. Thats a lot better. Oh wait no you don't from what I have just seen you do that with other atheists too. You're worse then the rage filled angsty atheists you talk about. Thinking they are concerned with your belief and judging you.[/QUOTE] So what would you say I am?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32546354]Why would you believe in the Bible if you're just going to disregard verses you don't like? [/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstructionism[/url]

[QUOTE=AK'z;32546408]So what would you say I am?[/QUOTE] The sterotypical angsty atheist in theist form.

[QUOTE=st0rmforce;32546399]I can't really explain it. The only answer I can give to this is what I believe: That God has given mankind free will. The situation in third-world countries would not be the way they are if it wasn't for the corruption and greed of their leaders. For god to change the situation in those places he would have to directly interfere with the will of these men. He sent Christ to teach us the way to go and gave us the earth to look after, so now the followers of Christ are God's hands in the world. You aren't me, so you can't appreciate the things I mentioned. I didn't list them to say: "See, this is proof! Bow down heathen scum!" I listed them because you wanted to know what kind of things make me into a Christian.[/QUOTE] However, you just that you believe God made you think certain thoughts: [quote]As a result I usually have questions and thoughts lined up ready to discuss. [B]I feel that god made me think about these subjects[/B] beforehand so that I have time to think.[/quote] Either you believe God gave everyone free will or you don't, but at least be consistent. Additionally, how do you think he made it easier for you to get a job, or for a friend to lend you money without you asking for it if not through manipulation of those people? [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=strayebyrd;32546430][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstructionism[/url][/QUOTE] Kind of defeats the point of a "put your faith in religion and its practices" if you get rid of all the practices.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32546448]The sterotypical angsty atheist in theist form.[/QUOTE] How's that? I have never in the history of the world mentioned the words "I am an atheist".

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32546460]However, you just that you believe God made you think certain thoughts: Either you believe God gave everyone free will or you don't, but at least be consistent. Additionally, how do you think he made it easier for you to get a job, or for a friend to lend you money without you asking for it if not through manipulation of those people? [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] Kind of defeats the point of a "put your faith in religion and its practices" if you get rid of all the practices.[/QUOTE] it's more about respecting the culture and the concept of an esoteric 'god' without clinging to the rigid and clearly outdated moral practises which were designed in a bygone era.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;32546533]it's more about respecting the culture and the concept of an esoteric 'god' without clinging to the rigid and clearly outdated moral practises which were designed in a bygone era.[/QUOTE] He's stated specific reasons as to why he believes in God, and I'm analyzing them. Trying to talk people out of the conversation gets us nowhere.