Atheists are more interested in Religion than most Religious People - General

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;32546561]Oh yeah, I'm so sorry. Let me give an honest consise and polite response to something that AK'z posts again. And then he can continue to ramble like a crazy person. Sometimes there isn't a fucking point in trying to actually converse with someone. For example. How the hell am I supposed to respond to this? How is [I]anyone[/I] supposed to respond to this? The man is so thick he thinks you need to know the precise origin of something in order to know anything about it. And of course his standards for being able to "know" what the origins of something is are so stratospherically high they're physically impossible to fulfill, bar creating a time machine and rubbing his face in the fucking singularity itself. Not to mention the great fucking flaw of the premise of that statement, that you have to know how something was made in order to know anything about it. General Relativity? Do you know how the fabric of space came into existence? Throw it out. Biology? I don't think so, abiogenisists/darwinists! Get rid of those vaccines this instant. Electronics? Do you know how the Electromagnetic force was [B][I]CREATED(PS GOD DID IT!!!)[/I][/B]? Didn't think so. I already threw out my computer and am sending this post through telepathy. And you know what? Even if he did see the problem in that, it wouldn't fucking matter. Because he doesn't even know what the hell Big Bang Theory actually is outside of a mediocre sitcom. You want something constructive? Here, I'll fucking explain it for you. Around fourteen billion years ago, all matter and space was condensed into an infinitesimally small area. I'm sure you know what matter and spacetime are, right? Good. Anyway, from what we can tell at a certain point that fantastically dense and miniscule dot of matter began to expand at a terrific rate. Meaning that spacetime as well as matter were drawn apart. Imagine a rubber band with paper clips attached to it, with Space being the rubber band and matter being the paper clips. Anyway, at this point, matter is nothing more than a seething froth of radiation and energy, but with time it begins to cool into physical material; the base elements that we know of today. And from there it's just time and astrophysics. So there. I was informative. If I get a half decent reply back I won't ever be a condescending prick ever again. Maybe. [editline]29th September 2011[/editline] If by psychedelic you mean grammatically incorrect and unparsable, then yes.[/QUOTE] Science is helping with the psychedelia. If you watch one of those space programs which talk about the nature of the universe and matter alike.. it's pretty much an out of body experience.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32556979]Science is helping with the psychedelia. If you watch one of those space programs which talk about the nature of the universe and matter alike.. it's pretty much an out of body experience.[/QUOTE] This is what I'm talking about. An [I]external, informal, and television based program[/I] can not be a [I]personal sensation of being out of one's body.[/I] They are completely different fucking things. I mean, what the fuck am I supposed to say? [editline]30th September 2011[/editline] You are putting words and phrases together which [I]make no sense.[/I]

[QUOTE=AK'z;32556878]That being said, it clearly seems that you are jumping the gun with the one-liners you find in a book that obviously requires some thinking through. Agree?[/QUOTE]Haha, we're playing that game are we? Alright, let me rephrase: the entire book is considered god's will, but it is not being followed in its entirety (or even anywhere close to that). What gives anyone the right to interpret the book anyway but which it was written (or can be logically and realistically inferred)? The modern interpretation is quite loose considering the original context. I'd like to know how the bible can even be considered a holy text at this point, damn near the whole thing is ignored by the very people who use it as proof of their religion.

Because deep down people know it's not moral enough for society.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;32557302]This is what I'm talking about. An [I]external, informal, and television based program[/I] can not be a [I]personal sensation of being out of one's body.[/I] [/QUOTE] Incorrect, it's very achievable with simple means. I could say the obvious 2001:Space Odyssey but that's very obviously psychedelic. Watching these programs make you feel thrilled that science exists, hence the sensation. Makes perfect sense. [editline]30th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=FlakAttack;32557477]Haha, we're playing that game are we? Alright, let me rephrase: the entire book is considered god's will, but it is not being followed in its entirety (or even anywhere close to that). What gives anyone the right to interpret the book anyway but which it was written (or can be logically and realistically inferred)? The modern interpretation is quite loose considering the original context. I'd like to know how the bible can even be considered a holy text at this point, damn near the whole thing is ignored by the very people who use it as proof of their religion.[/QUOTE] Well the ones who are simple-minded and have no interesting point to bring to the table aren't the ones to speak to. They clearly aren't interested in thinking for themselves and have their own life issues. I don't think there's a law to how Christians should interpret the bible, but this "God's Will" thing doesn't make sense to me. It's a holy book, that is there for the basis of the religion. It is there merely to create images in your mind. And interpreting stories is NOT a scientific logical subject, English language is not a science, it's a mode of expression. Expression itself isn't 100% logical, so there has to be different viewpoints in order to get a bigger picture.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32556878]Again... why are people assuming I'm atheist or religious without me saying "I'm religious" or "I'm an Atheist".[/QUOTE] Because you have said more then once in other threads that you aren't atheist and you always talk bad about atheists. Its like assuming some racist saying bad things about black people isn't black.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32560282]Because you have said more then once in other threads that you aren't atheist and you always talk bad about atheists. Its like assuming some racist saying bad things about black people isn't black.[/QUOTE] I didn't say anything bad about atheists. Just about you. No need to bring racism to this discussion either.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32560620]I didn't say anything bad about atheists.[/QUOTE] *looks at thread title* Really from other posts I have seen from you and your anti atheist generalizations you obviously aren't/dont know enough about atheists. But even if it was just me that wouldn't make your assuming any better.

I love reading about religion, the only classes in school that didn't bore me to death were the ones where we learned about the different religions of the world. It's kinda fun to see how differently people thought the world worked back before we had any form of proof. Norse belief suggested that earth was formed by the remains of a slain giant and in china people thought earth and heaven were seperated by a huge hairy guy that was born from a cosmic egg. Who wouldn't read about a hairy dude born from an egg in the chaos of cosmos?!

There are many books on the different religions through history and my favorites to read about are old ones from the east. They are so much different then ares but at the same time all have the same themes like good and evil and how man is usually gods best creation.

[QUOTE=Garrus.;32525868]I haven't seen a religious debate where the religious person hasn't resorted to shouting over the other person.[/QUOTE] you haven't looked very hard then

[QUOTE=AK'z;32557858]I don't think there's a law to how Christians should interpret the bible, but this "God's Will" thing doesn't make sense to me. It's a holy book, that is there for the basis of the religion. It is there merely to create images in your mind. And interpreting stories is NOT a scientific logical subject, English language is not a science, it's a mode of expression. Expression itself isn't 100% logical, so there has to be different viewpoints in order to get a bigger picture.[/QUOTE]If the book is nothing but stories, what makes it any better than Aesop's Fables? What I'm getting at is, why even call it a holy text at all if you're going to pick and choose out of it? But then once you get rid of the book, what basis does anyone have for a belief in God? The story of a man from 2000 years ago transmitted through a multi-century game of telephone in several different languages? Years of psychological research have proven how easy it is to make people believe and do anything. Years of anthropological research have shown that religions across the planet are wildly different while often retaining similar morals, indicating an instinctive moral structure in human beings. Years of scientific challenges, critical analysis, and free thinking have broken through the swath of willful ignorance generated by religion, and revealed to us more and more of the secrets behind the universe and even our own selves. Religion does not magically deserve respect. Respect is earned, and if the beliefs the religious have are based on blatantly wrong information, well... their beliefs can suck a cheetah's dick.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;32563873] But then once you get rid of the book, what basis does anyone have for a belief in God? The story of a man from 2000 years ago transmitted through a multi-century game of telephone in several different languages? [/QUOTE] Yeah, that and the fact that historical and archeological evidence proves that the Abrahamic god/old testament is nothing more than evolved Babylonian mythology, the authors basically took the old Babylonian creation story and adapted it into a monotheistic version with some strict rules to control society with. [url]https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Panbabylonism[/url]

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;32563873] Religion does not magically deserve respect. Respect is earned, and if the beliefs the religious have are based on blatantly wrong information, well... their beliefs can suck a cheetah's dick.[/QUOTE] Well that's not nice. Religious folk do things to help the poor. As in meaningful things.

Always be prepared to shame the other side

[QUOTE=AK'z;32569101]Well that's not nice. Religious folk do things to help the poor. As in meaningful things.[/QUOTE] Religious folk also oppress women and discriminate against gays, that doesn't sound very respectable.

[QUOTE=Goodthief;32569186]Religious folk also oppress women and discriminate against gays, that doesn't sound very respectable.[/QUOTE] No, only a certain type of Christian does those I think. You have missed the big picture that is the world. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] also a certain type of Muslim.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32569289]No, only a certain type of Christian does those I think. You have missed the big picture that is the world. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] also a certain type of Muslim.[/QUOTE] No true scotsman fallacy, yay. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;32569101]Religious folk do things to help the poor. As in meaningful things.[/QUOTE] Helping people because you're scared of invisible things doesn't mean the belief in invisible things deserve respect.

[QUOTE=Jookia;32569319] Helping people because you're scared of invisible things doesn't mean the belief in invisible things deserve respect.[/QUOTE] Why would they be afraid? Feelings are invisible, so you're just being an imbecile. Helping people shouldn't cause any controversy at all.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32569289]No, only a certain type of Christian does those I think. You have missed the big picture that is the world. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] also a certain type of Muslim.[/QUOTE] well if you say religious people do good things because of their religion (which I think is what you were getting at) you must be prepared to hear the bad things that they've done for their religion. As my dad says Religion is a set of laws telling people how to live therefore, when someone does something good or bad religion is the reason not them. However, if an Atheist does something good or bad it would only be because they are genuinely good / evil. This makes more sense to me since you can classify people easier, since you're taking brainwashing out of account. I understand that you're not like this but [I]plenty[/I] of people are so before you congratulate them on their good deeds shed light on the bad.

[QUOTE=Goodthief;32569702]you're taking brainwashing out of account. [/QUOTE] To an extent, but you are jumping the gun with that conclusion. I don't think people are dim-witted enough to be "brainwashed". Unless you mean that the whole concept of Religion is to brainwash people, which is illegal. Someone chooses to walk into a church or ask around for advice. The only aspect of "Brainwashing/Indoctrination" is from childhood. Now the only way to solve that, is for the person to think and make their own choices once they have matured.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32569649]Why would they be afraid? Feelings are invisible, so you're just being an imbecile. Helping people shouldn't cause any controversy at all.[/QUOTE] I'm saying that beliefs not based on evidence don't deserve respect, and that religious people helping others doesn't mean that the beliefs deserve respect.

[QUOTE=Jookia;32569819]I'm saying that beliefs not based on evidence don't deserve respect, and that religious people helping others doesn't mean that the beliefs deserve respect.[/QUOTE] Name one belief that is based on physical evidence. I'll give you one example to start you off, The Sun is God.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32569896]Name one belief that is based on physical evidence.[/QUOTE] I believe that I can't walk through solid objects.

[QUOTE=Jookia;32569924]I believe that I can't walk through solid objects.[/QUOTE] How does this belief make you inspired about living a fulfilled life and expanding your imaginative thinking? (I am not endorsing religion or being sarcastic here)

[QUOTE=Kopimi;32524084]It [b]does[/b] concern them. Religion concerns everyone. It is a source of prestigious and ill informed political decisions. Gays can't get married because the bible says it's wrong. Abortion is an evil evil sin, so you better ruin your life and raise the child miserably in a single mother's underfunded home on welfare or else you go to hell you darn sinner. [/QUOTE] All of these weren't in the bible. It's the US religious community and the Popes that have twisted the words.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32569951]How does this belief make you inspired about living a fulfilled life and expanding your imaginative thinking?[/QUOTE] It doesn't? It's a belief. We have thousands of them, and those not built on evidence are worthless. Religious beliefs generally lack evidence, thus are worthless. [editline]1st October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Maximo13;32569988]All of these weren't in the bible. It's the US religious community and the Popes that have twisted the words.[/QUOTE] You're right, gays should be killed.

[QUOTE=Jookia;32569995]It doesn't? It's a belief. We have thousands of them, and those not built on evidence are worthless. Religious beliefs generally lack evidence, thus are worthless. [/QUOTE] But you missed the point of my question. Look carefully at how I worded it. I gave you an example of a "Realistic belief" that the "Sun is God". I could talk about how life is worth living based on this belief. Now, there is no evidence that the Sun is actually a "God", because I could have talked in a metaphorical sense.

[QUOTE=AK'z;32570170]But you missed the point of my question. Look carefully at how I worded it. I gave you an example of a "Realistic belief" that the "Sun is God". I could talk about how life is worth living based on this belief. Now, there is no evidence that the Sun is actually a "God", because I could have talked in a metaphorical sense.[/QUOTE] You didn't define what 'God' was, so I didn't reply to it simply because of what you just said. If enough information is given, a belief can be proven and have evidence backing it, or even disproven. I'm not talking about religious beliefs specifically, I'm talking about all beliefs. Lizard people controlling the US banks, aliens being us from the future, etc. For example, you can disprove the Abrahamic god as it's apparently omnipotent, which is impossible.

[QUOTE=Jookia;32570281] For example, you can disprove the Abrahamic god as it's apparently omnipotent, which is impossible.[/QUOTE] Yes, now you are talking about things that are beyond my knowledge. I'll stand by for more down to earth topics.