We Must Stop All Research Into Extending Human Lifespans - General

[QUOTE=dgg;24446681] 1. No, they can't. What sets us apart from animals is our thumb and having a sense of humor. Or thumb has allowed us to grasp things and use them as tools, from there we have just learned and learned and learned thanks to the thumb and at some point learned our selves way to communicate and at some other point got ourselves so much safety from hunger and animals that we got free time, time we could spend thinking on things that weren't gathering food and taking care of the family. Philosophy and science basically. 2. Positivity and negativity is also just a human product, positivity and negativity comes from morales. What one person finds terrifying and wrong another person finds delightful and right. Yes and no, that's all I have to say that really. There is system and there is complete chaos. The main problem is that few of us aren't politically active and actually try to change anything, we just talk about it and leave it at that. I am one of those like a billion others. Yes, I already explained a positive side to being selfish. Greed is that, and it is knowing exactly what you want and caring about only that and not caring about others. "I WANT MORE FOOD" *Takes more food and eats it* *Person #2 is left with no food and starves*. People can't be free and pursue their dreams and not end up with greed and horror. Because some people will find their dreams to be to hurt other people or animals for no reason. Other peoples dream will be something along the lines of Hitlers dreams. Without restriction comes the real chaos, freedom causes more pain than total control, that's why we need something in the middle that doesn't allow people to just exactly what the fuck they want, but without telling them exactly what the fuck to do. Basically something close to the system we already have some places, democracy, and no capitalism. And no, our fates are 100% certain, they are just impossible to figure out. All my choices are already set, I just need to take them first. I take them myself and take the responsibility for them, but the choices were still set up and decided since the existence of existence.[/QUOTE] 1. I agree with you, but i just mentioned one of the aspects. Nowhere did i say that what i mentioned was the only thing that sets us apart from animals. Nice of you to go into detail, very much appreciated. May lead to spreading of greater understanding. 2. By positivity and negativity i mean stuff that affects people in either a good way or a bad way. You can't really say a disease is positive in what it does, and neither can you say that charity is negative, because it helps people. Yes, at the moment many people have absolutely sick dreams and such. They want to do horrible things. But that is because of the way the world is. In a saner world, this would not be a problem. They would know what they want and they would do the right thing. Although sometimes, faced with all these odds in my still quite short life, i do truly want to self-terminate. There are times when i feel i'm to weak to deal with everything. For example, causing others harm, being a negative action, would be totally abhorrent to a person's way of life in that kind of society. There would be the mandatory need for education, of course, and it will be much easier with the application of technology in this field. And about fate. Yes, i agree with you. You must have misunderstood me. I am a determinist myself. The future may yield surprises but also horrible things. This is one of the reasons we need to have control over our lives. And the kind of society i am advocating personally would be managed by an artificial intelligence. It would certainly be freer, saner, and safer than today's society, in the positive aspect of the term. [QUOTE=Heroms;24446778]Reborn9, maybe you should stop bitching about how unfair everything is, get up from that chair of yours, plant your two feet on the ground and actually get up to the top instead of expecting it to be handed to you. Make it to the top, be one of the billionaires, it's not as hard as you think it is. Right now things work. When we start spreading wealth and allowing people to live for the sake of living, shit will hit the fan and it will generally turn the wrong way, not the way you expect it to as described in your posts.[/QUOTE] I'm too tired bro. I can't just go out and do it right now, lol. And i would also feel horrible being a very rich man, having to carry the burden of the fact that i'd probably hurt many people on the way to ''the top'' and the fact that there are so many people under me living out horrible lives, and i can do nothing about it. This is why the system is shit. [QUOTE=dgg;24446879] Hell yeah. Nothing worse than people who do think we can reach a perfect pristine clear condition, or those who think there is no hope for humanity and the best solution is that we should kill our selves. It can always be better, isn't that just a good thing? I sure as hell wouldn't like to reach the top peak of something, when there is nothing to improve, that would be horrible. "Oh, so this is as good as it gets? Fuck."[/QUOTE] Yeah man, personally I've pretty much reasoned that so long as our species keeps on advancing and transcending we can't really reach a peak of development. If you read about the many worlds theory and other advanced concepts regarding reality, you often come to a conclusion that there is no real outcome.

[QUOTE=dgg;24446918]Statues fingered by Glee Monkono and painted by Gula Marfas?[/QUOTE] Fingered, you mean crafted?

[QUOTE=dgg;24446918]Then we have enough apples. But what about pears? Cars? Gameboys? Scarfs? Jackets made by Bonnie MacClyde? Statues fingered by Glee Monkono and painted by Gula Marfas?[/QUOTE] science was made to solve those problems so we can make enough for everyone

If people lived for 200 years, they wouldn't be able to rationalize irresponsible use of resources by simply assuming "Who cares, I'll be dead before it's a problem." Therefore, we'd be forced to actually solve our long-term problems.

Well, more people = More criminals. More criminals = More murderers. More murderers = Less people.

[QUOTE=nath2009uk;24447015]Well, more people = More criminals. More criminals = More murderers. More murderers = Less people.[/QUOTE] i dont think thats how it works

[QUOTE=Novistador;24445237]I have a brilliant idea that will remove our choice, and make everyone guiltily aware of our shameful biological flaws, Catholic Monarchy, It's the only form of government that forces individuals to cast away petty selfishness in favor of benifiting the whole society, while making us aware of our shameful physical bodies. This man says it best [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St9kZqWxNfU[/media][/QUOTE] You need to be sterilized and not be allowed to raise children because you are not well.

Executing all conservatives would help fighting overpopulation and make the mankind advance faster.

[QUOTE=Extroll;24447063]You need to be sterilized and not be allowed to raise children because you are not well.[/QUOTE] Because that totally doesn't break any human rights.

[QUOTE=Extroll;24447063]You need to be sterilized and not be allowed to raise children because you are not well.[/QUOTE] Don't feed the trolls. Holy fuck page king for the 3rd time. I'm off to sleep. Strike out, good night Facepunch :) thanks for all the fun and interesting stuff. Nice talking with everyone.

[QUOTE=Novistador;24446143]Actually Catholics can't persecute Jews because they actually are the Jews. Catholics are the real Jews, the current Jews are heretics that created a man made false religion. Take it away Michael Vorris [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY1GG0dyU9Y[/media][/QUOTE] All religions are false. They have no proof other than books, letters and oral tradition. And no, I don't think you are a troll. You are seriously fucked in the head.

[QUOTE=woodlander;24441227]I don't like the idea of scientists conducting research into how to extend the human lifespan with molecular nanotechnology and crap. There's a biological cap on human years for a reason.There's just no way the planet could cope with people living to 200 years of age or more. Food, water and oil are already precious resources, I wouldn't want to imagine how expensive they'd be in an inevitable population explosion. Unless we start colonizing space, which doesn't seem like it will be happening any time soon, where the hell would you put all these people?[/QUOTE] wrong

[QUOTE=Extroll;24447213]All religions are false. They have no proof other than books, letters and oral tradition. And no, I don't think you are a troll. You are seriously fucked in the head.[/QUOTE] I think the fact that my satire goes totally over your head means that it is you who should be sterilized.

Meh. Population will begin to fall when all the earth is out of poverty.

[QUOTE=Novistador;24447275]I think the fact that my satire goes totally over your head means that it is you who should be sterilized.[/QUOTE] Stop posting

[QUOTE=Reborn9;24446956]1. I agree with you, but i just mentioned one of the aspects. Nowhere did i say that what i mentioned was the only thing that sets us apart from animals. Nice of you to go into detail, very much appreciated. May lead to spreading of greater understanding. 2. By positivity and negativity i mean stuff that affects people in either a good way or a bad way. You can't really say a disease is positive in what it does, and neither can you say that charity is negative, because it helps people. Yes, at the moment many people have absolutely sick dreams and such. They want to do horrible things. But that is because of the way the world is. In a saner world, this would not be a problem. They would know what they want and they would do the right thing. For example, causing others harm, being a negative action, would be totally abhorrent to a person's way of life in that kind of society. There would be the mandatory need for education, of course, and it will be much easier with the application of technology in this field. And about fate. Yes, i agree with you. You must have misunderstood me. I am a determinist myself. The future may yield surprises but also horrible things. This is one of the reasons we need to have control over our lives. And the kind of society i am advocating personally would be managed by an artificial intelligence. It would certainly be freer, saner, and safer than today's society, in the positive aspect of the term.[/QUOTE] 1. What I said was that it wasn't even an aspect of us that existed. We have instincts just like every other animal have and we can't get rid of it. But thanks to our free time to think we have understood that we can suppress them. 2. A disease can be very positive. The Black Death got rid of a lot of high standing people in Norway and allowed all the lower standing people to live more freely and better without having any higher ups restricting them. It sure as hell weakened the churchs power too. Charity can be negative, some of them take the money for themselves and spend them on something completely different, other times the charity goes to corrupt governments and are spent wrongly. There is also the point I mentioned earlier that charity is also keeping progression in many third world countries DOWN because they are used to getting money aid from first world countries. My sister has experienced this firsthand, she was so excited to go down and help some African country only to experience that they weren't even willing to try and improve their living, they had everything they needed to live and got the necessary money from charity so they didn't need to care about jobs either. Their houses fell apart but they didn't bother fixing them. Instead of digging a hole to take a dump they just did it wherever they wanted. Basically charity can stop evolution just as much as it can help it. Charities that goes directly to funding schools and such is the way to go. The thing is that many people are sick because they are sick, they want to murder and slaughter people, but they suppress the feelings and urges and end up even more raving mad. In this free beautiful world of yours what they would do was not suppress it and go straight ahead and murder people, basically no improvement. Paedophiles would rape children openly and what not. If causing harm to another person is trained up as being something bad then there will be those who want to cause harm to another being but suppressing that feeling and end up raving mad. It's a psychological thing and it will happen. I don't know of anyone in a first world country that doesn't have control over their lives. There are however many that fuck up and screw up or doesn't understand that everything can't go your way, because one persons victory is another persons downfall. Sometimes one person has to get fucked over in order to avoid 50 000 others being fucked over. Artificial Intelligence looking over free human un-programmed (Logical reactions instead of programmed behaviors) beings? Are we talking year 5643838?

[QUOTE=Novistador;24447275]I think the fact that my satire goes totally over your head means that it is you who should be sterilized.[/QUOTE] :frog:

[QUOTE=dgg;24447307]1. What I said was that it wasn't even an aspect of us that existed. We have instincts just like every other animal have and we can't get rid of it. But thanks to our free time to think we have understood that we can suppress them. 2. A disease can be very positive. The Black Death got rid of a lot of high standing people in Norway and allowed all the lower standing people to live more freely and better without having any higher ups restricting them. It sure as hell weakened the churchs power too. Charity can be negative, some of them take the money for themselves and spend them on something completely different, other times the charity goes to corrupt governments and are spent wrongly. There is also the point I mentioned earlier that charity is also keeping progression in many third world countries DOWN because they are used to getting money aid from first world countries. My sister has experienced this firsthand, she was so excited to go down and help some African country only to experience that they weren't even willing to try and improve their living, they had everything they needed to live and got the necessary money from charity so they didn't need to care about jobs either. Their houses fell apart but they didn't bother fixing them. Instead of digging a hole to take a dump they just did it wherever they wanted. Basically charity can stop evolution just as much as it can help it. Charities that goes directly to funding schools and such is the way to go. The thing is that many people are sick because they are sick, they want to murder and slaughter people, but they suppress the feelings and urges and end up even more raving mad. In this free beautiful world of yours what they would do was not suppress it and go straight ahead and murder people, basically no improvement. Paedophiles would rape children openly and what not. If causing harm to another person is trained up as being something bad then there will be those who want to cause harm to another being but suppressing that feeling and end up raving mad. It's a psychological thing and it will happen. I don't know of anyone in a first world country that doesn't have control over their lives. There are however many that fuck up and screw up or doesn't understand that everything can't go your way, because one persons victory is another persons downfall. Sometimes one person has to get fucked over in order to avoid 50 000 others being fucked over. Artificial Intelligence looking over free human un-programmed beings? Are we talking year 5643838?[/QUOTE] we already have good ai and it doubles every 7 years. also the human nature things humans will not do something like steal if there was no use for it. people dont murder because its instint or anything like thta

[QUOTE=Coffee;24446962]Fingered, you mean crafted?[/QUOTE] No, fingered. Sexually fingered. [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24446967]science was made to solve those problems so we can make enough for everyone[/QUOTE] Sorry bro, but science can't make more materials than there is. You can't make more metal than the resource make for. Science isn't magic that will fix up every little wrong thing in this world. [editline]01:05AM[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24447387]we already have good ai and it doubles every 7 years. also the human nature things humans will not do something like steal if there was no use for it. people dont murder because its instint or anything like thta[/QUOTE] No. We have completely horrible AI. Detecting things and being able to move around is not good AI. You can never make an AI that is anywhere close to the complexity of a human. No, they steal because there is a limit to how much a person can and will produce something that they want. With freedom to create comes creations, but there are just oh so many creations that can be created by that individual, and some people will only accept the creation if it is created by that specific individual. Some people find joy in murder, it can sexually arouse them. It's called a fetish, look it up. necrophilia, pedofilia, bondage, sadism, masochism, etc etc

[QUOTE=dgg;24447393]No, fingered. Sexually fingered. Sorry bro, but science can't make more materials than there is. You can't make more metal than the resource make for. Science isn't magic that will fix up every little wrong thing in this world.[/QUOTE] use metal better make things out of better things ect also nano bots could just make metal out of thin air. science can and is the only thing that pushes humans forward. we can make enough food for everyone example hidroponic farms and other stuff. so saying science cant solve a problem is a false

Once people find a definite way to siginifcatly enhance lifespans, I feel like it would spark a big religious conflict. I don't know, though.

[QUOTE=dgg;24447393]No, fingered. Sexually fingered. Sorry bro, but science can't make more materials than there is. You can't make more metal than the resource make for. Science isn't magic that will fix up every little wrong thing in this world. [editline]01:05AM[/editline] No. We have completely horrible AI. Detecting things and being able to move around is not good AI. You can never make an AI that is anywhere close to the complexity of a human. No, they steal because there is a limit to how much a person can and will produce something that they want. With freedom to create comes creations, but there are just oh so many creations that can be created by that individual, and some people will only accept the creation if it is created by that specific individual. Some people find joy in murder, it can sexually arouse them. It's called a fetish, look it up. necrophilia, pedofilia, bondage, sadism, masochism, etc etc[/QUOTE] thats why we make alot of stuff and also people are not born murders. [editline]04:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24447552]thats why we make alot of stuff and also people are not born murders.[/QUOTE] also AI can do many jobs better then people can. thats why most of them today are done by them

There is enough food for everyone, the only reason people are not getting these is because people are taking away the resources and shit for their own greed. Don't [b]ever[/b] say we have not got enough food for everyone. :v: If you turned the whole of Africa into a farm you could feed the entire world for years :v:

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24447509]use metal better make things out of better things ect also nano bots could just make metal out of thin air. science can and is the only thing that pushes humans forward. we can make enough food for everyone example hidroponic farms and other stuff. so saying science cant solve a problem is a false[/QUOTE] Yeah, because metal has an endless supply. :downs: and who said it had to be metal? There is a limit to how many nano bots you can make, thus there is also a limit to how much metal you can produce with nano bots. Think about what you are saying for a bit please. Yes, we can make enough food if you just want them as they are and not mixed in to some insane products, something that could require a million tomatos, 500,000 bananas and 5 houses worth of milk. Because some people have wild ideas like that. No, science can't solve any problem because science like anything else is limited to natural resources, you can't do more than the resources allow you to. It's not magic that will fix anything.

[QUOTE=Black-Ice;24447588]There is enough food for everyone, the only reason people are not getting these is because people are taking away the resources and shit for their own greed. Don't [b]ever[/b] say we have not got enough food for everyone. :v: If you turned the whole of Africa into a farm you could feed the entire world for years :v:[/QUOTE] look up hydroponic farms one building of it can supply a hole big city

[QUOTE=woodlander;24441227]I don't like the idea of scientists conducting research into how to extend the human lifespan with molecular nanotechnology and crap. There's a biological cap on human years for a reason.There's just no way the planet could cope with people living to 200 years of age or more. Food, water and oil are already precious resources, I wouldn't want to imagine how expensive they'd be in an inevitable population explosion. Unless we start colonizing space, which doesn't seem like it will be happening any time soon, where the hell would you put all these people?[/QUOTE] well sry but this will happen and it will become 200 years + and it will get very over crowded forcing future governments to start space colonies and etc.

[QUOTE=dgg;24447610]Yeah, because metal has an endless supply. :downs: and who said it had to be metal? There is a limit to how many nano bots you can make, thus there is also a limit to how much metal you can produce with nano bots. Think about what you are saying for a bit please. Yes, we can make enough food if you just want them as they are and not mixed in to some insane products, something that could require a million tomatos, 500,000 bananas and 5 houses worth of milk. Because some people have wild ideas like that. No, science can't solve any problem because science like anything else is limited to natural resources, you can't do more than the resources allow you to. It's not magic that will fix anything.[/QUOTE] nano bots first dont have to be made out of metal 2nd if they were they would made getting metal alot easier so we could get more then we have now and that would solve the resource problem

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24447552]That's why we make alot of stuff and also people are not born murders. also AI can do many jobs better then people can. thats why most of them today are done by them[/QUOTE] That makes no fucking sense. "Our resources are limited, but to fix that we make a lot of stuff using those resources". People are not born murderers, but people are born with the possibility to murder people if they need to. They can also develop an interest in killing people or causing harm to them which is fully possible in a society where you can live freely and do what you desire. Yes, but did you know that those AI's are programmed to only move? Push metal block 1 5 meters forward then push metal block 1 5 meters back. They are terrible at anything but making simple movements. They do simple commands that are made up of two actions. Then they make a huge ass machine that has a lot of different functioning parts that all just do simple actions like spinning, going back and forth or going from one side to another and ends up making bubble gum. But the AI isn't advanced at all and can't think at all.

[QUOTE=dgg;24447751]That makes no fucking sense. "Our resources are limited, but to fix that we make a lot of stuff using those resources". People are not born murderers, but people are born with the possibility to murder people if they need to. They can also develop an interest in killing people or causing harm to them which is fully possible in a society where you can live freely and do what you desire. Yes, but did you know that those AI's are programmed to only move? Push metal block 1 5 meters forward then push metal block 1 5 meters back. They are terrible at anything but making simple movements. They do simple commands that are made up of two actions. Then they make a huge ass machine that has a lot of different functioning parts that all just do simple actions like spinning, going back and forth or going from one side to another and ends up making bubble gum. But the AI isn't advanced at all and can't think at all.[/QUOTE] today we dont harness all the resources we can but with better technology we can do you see what im saying and also if we dont have a sick world we will not have sick people so no more murder

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;24442276]No. It's because past leaders of China wanted there to be as many soldiers available to them as possoble, so people were urged to have many children. This ended up working a bit [I]too[/I] well.[/QUOTE] That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day. I suppose the same thing applies to india? Birthing is just part of the Chinese culture, it used to be a largely working class and agrarian society, parents would have children so they could help around the farms or go to work. That still applies to today. In North America, not [U]everybody[/U] has an urge to have children, in China it's just something you have to do, get a wife and have kids.