We Must Stop All Research Into Extending Human Lifespans - General

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24447728]nano bots first dont have to be made out of metal 2nd if they were they would made getting metal alot easier so we could get more then we have now and that would solve the resource problem[/QUOTE] Wow, you are really stupid, really. You live in a very fairy tail like world were everything is pretty and shits rainbows. Resources are resources, it doesn't limit itself to metal, anything is resources and they aren't limited. You can't produce more metal than there are atoms to create metal, and no, you can't create more atoms. You can only transform items from one state to another by take atoms away from it causing it to be something else. The amount of atoms will always remain the same, you can't create more than there exists, this is a very basic rule and knowledge anyone that has gone to school should know if they paid attention in class.

[QUOTE=dgg;24447834]Wow, you are really stupid, really. You live in a very fairy tail like world were everything is pretty and shits rainbows. Resources are resources, it doesn't limit itself to metal, anything is resources and they aren't limited. You can't produce more metal than there are atoms to create metal, and no, you can't create more atoms. You can only transform items from one state to another by take atoms away from it causing it to be something else. The amount of atoms will always remain the same, you can't create more than there exists, this is a very basic rule and knowledge anyone that has gone to school should know if they paid attention in class.[/QUOTE] you think i dont know this? do you get what i am saying im saying that we dont use all the resources we can. if i were you i would not be calling anyone stupid if you are the one that is not getting it so we can get more resources and use less in making the things we make by using alt things to make it. with new technology we can gt more resources then we can get now

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24447807]today we dont harness all the resources we can but with better technology we can do you see what im saying and also if we dont have a sick world we will not have sick people so no more murder[/QUOTE] Yes, we are not harnessing all the resources nor do we need to. But there are resources that are more limited than others. Oil for example, Oil isn't something you can make fast either. So if oil becomes a demand in this "perfect" world of yours then it would cause a problem, just like it is a problem now. You don't need a sick world to have "sick" people. Again, you have this fairy world in your head that tells you that all is good and everyone can live in peace. But they can't and people will be different from each other and develop different interests, and some of those interest WILL BE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT to cause harm and possibly death to other human beings. NO MATTER HOW NICE YOUR WORLD IS IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE [B]NO HUMAN IS THE SAME[/B]. [editline]01:23AM[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24447892]you think i dont know this? do you get what i am saying im saying that we dont use all the resources we can. if i were you i would not be calling anyone stupid if you are the one that is not getting it[/QUOTE] You are the one that isn't getting it, because in your perfect world we could take use of all the resources. but if the demand was too big and those resources didn't live up to the demand then it wouldn't be possible to harvest more resources because you had already harvested all of them. And you can't produce more resources than there are.

Our medicine and intelligence has no limit. We will eventually live to be 200

[QUOTE=dgg;24447610]Yeah, because metal has an endless supply. :downs: and who said it had to be metal? There is a limit to how many nano bots you can make, thus there is also a limit to how much metal you can produce with nano bots. Think about what you are saying for a bit please. Yes, we can make enough food if you just want them as they are and not mixed in to some insane products, something that could require a million tomatos, 500,000 bananas and 5 houses worth of milk. Because some people have wild ideas like that. No, science can't solve any problem because science like anything else is limited to natural resources, you can't do more than the resources allow you to. It's not magic that will fix anything.[/QUOTE] Asteroid mining :science: Also the Earth's core is made out of iron. We will be be running out of gravity before we run out of iron.

[QUOTE=dgg;24447922]Yes, we are not harnessing all the resources nor do we need to. But there are resources that are more limited than others. Oil for example, Oil isn't something you can make fast either. So if oil becomes a demand in this "perfect" world of yours then it would cause a problem, just like it is a problem now. You don't need a sick world to have "sick" people. Again, you have this fairy world in your head that tells you that all is good and everyone can live in peace. But they can't and people will be different from each other and develop different interests, and some of those interest WILL BE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT to cause harm and possibly death to other human beings. NO MATTER HOW NICE YOUR WORLD IS IT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE [B]NO HUMAN IS THE SAME[/B]. [editline]01:23AM[/editline] You are the one that isn't getting it, because in your perfect world we could take use of all the resources. but if the demand was too big and those resources didn't live up to the demand then it wouldn't be possible to harvest more resources because you had already harvested all of them. And you can't produce more resources than there are.[/QUOTE] first you dont get how the environment changes people read books on it or somthing so you can get that and 2nd well then we can use somthing else to power are stuff ever hear of geothermal there you go,

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24448046]first you dont get how the environment changes people read books on it or somthing so you can get that and 2nd well then we can use somthing else to power are stuff ever hear of geothermal there you go,[/QUOTE] Yes, I know very well how environment changes people. But that won't completely change everyone into happy rainbow shitting fairies that lived happily ever after. I think you need to read less books and face real life psychology instead. Power our stuff? I never talked about power. i talked about materials to create something. There is also the other factor that you completely ignored, demands that the work is made from that specific person. The will to create, and the time one can create is limited and thus there will be a limited amounts of works created by that human being. Because of that there will be demands for that persons works that doesn't meet the quantity of his works. [editline]01:29AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Dolton;24448044]Asteroid mining :science: Also the Earth's core is made out of iron. We will be be running out of gravity before we run out of iron.[/QUOTE] Astroids, contains all minerals and resources you could possibly think of, since never.

The world is filling up more and more with people who are afraid of dying because its the unknown. Party hard, die hard

I sure wouldn't mind to live 300+ years... but [I]in the long haul[/I], it'd suck (see what I did there? haha :smug:) [url=http://www.cracked.com/article_18708_5-reasons-immortality-would-be-worse-than-death.html]Read up[/url] <--- :/

[QUOTE=dgg;24448132]Yes, I know very well how environment changes people. But that won't completely change everyone into happy rainbow shitting fairies that lived happily ever after. I think you need to read less books and face real life psychology instead. Power our stuff? I never talked about power. i talked about materials to create something. There is also the other factor that you completely ignored, demands that the work is made from that specific person. The will to create, and the time one can create is limited and thus there will be a limited amounts of works created by that human being. Because of that there will be demands for that persons works that doesn't meet the quantity of his works.[/QUOTE] first off people will not murder if they 1 dont have a reason to and 2 or not crazy we have the materials to creat stuff we do it today we just dont do it good and we waste alot of it on stupid stuff to sale and different astriods contain different things so you are kinda wrong read books and educate yourself

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24448442]first off people will not murder if they 1 dont have a reason to and 2 or not crazy we have the materials to creat stuff we do it today we just dont do it good and we waste alot of it on stupid stuff to sale And different astriods contain different things so you are kinda wrong[/QUOTE] But a reason to murder doesn't have to be hate. It can be love (Kill her/his partner/husband out of jealousy), it can be sexual pleasure (arousal from murdering), it can give a kick (excitement from doing something deemed wrong and horrible, or just excitement from killing because someone dies). There are all sorts of reason a person could end up killing someone. In this perfect world, are there morals? Because if there are then someone will go crazy because the morale's will go against someone and what they want to do, so they have to suppress the urge to do it because it is wrong and will eventually become crazy. Yeah, but as I've already said this perfect world of yours have already fixed up all those problems so it's useless to argue with our current situation when that doesn't apply to the situation you are actually talking about. Yes, different astroids can contain different things. But do they contain all sorts of resources? I doubt so, and even if they did there is also a limit to how many astroids are flying around near us, and there will also be unevenly spread out what they contain which means you get more of one resource than another which can go against what you need.

[QUOTE=dgg;24448648]But a reason to murder doesn't have to be hate. It can be love (Kill her/his partner/husband out of jealousy), it can be sexual pleasure (arousal from murdering), it can give a kick (excitement from doing something deemed wrong and horrible, or just excitement from killing because someone dies). There are all sorts of reason a person could end up killing someone. In this perfect world, are there morals? Because if there are then someone will go crazy because the morale's will go against someone and what they want to do, so they have to suppress the urge to do it because it is wrong and will eventually become crazy. Yeah, but as I've already said this perfect world of yours have already fixed up all those problems so it's useless to argue with our current situation when that doesn't apply to the situation you are actually talking about. Yes, different astroids can contain different things. But do they contain all sorts of resources? I doubt so, and even if they did there is also a limit to how many astroids are flying around near us, and there will also be unevenly spread out what they contain which means you get more of one resource than another which can go against what you need.[/QUOTE] yes they are all environmental and can be stopped

Space Marines Man We can become freaking Space Marines that last up to 200 years.

[QUOTE=dgg;24448648]But a reason to murder doesn't have to be hate. It can be love (Kill her/his partner/husband out of jealousy), it can be sexual pleasure (arousal from murdering), it can give a kick (excitement from doing something deemed wrong and horrible, or just excitement from killing because someone dies). There are all sorts of reason a person could end up killing someone. In this perfect world, are there morals? Because if there are then someone will go crazy because the morale's will go against someone and what they want to do, so they have to suppress the urge to do it because it is wrong and will eventually become crazy. Yeah, but as I've already said this perfect world of yours have already fixed up all those problems so it's useless to argue with our current situation when that doesn't apply to the situation you are actually talking about. Yes, different astroids can contain different things. But do they contain all sorts of resources? I doubt so, and even if they did there is also a limit to how many astroids are flying around near us, and there will also be unevenly spread out what they contain which means you get more of one resource than another which can go against what you need.[/QUOTE] the astriod belt is not that far and new tech makes traveling not that hard [editline]04:53PM[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24448694]the astriod belt is not that far and new tech makes traveling not that hard[/QUOTE] also have you ever heard of recycling

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24448674]yes they are all environmental and can be stopped[/QUOTE] Uhm, no they can't. Unless you isolate them from other people so they can't think about murdering them in any way because there are no humans to murder. The thoughts comes environmentally from contact and socializing with other human beings. You can't prevent anyone from discovering pleasure in murdering, raping, children and whatnot without blocking them away from humans because humans are the source of the discoveries of the pleasures. [editline]02:09AM[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24448694]the astriod belt is not that far and new tech makes traveling not that hard[/QUOTE] The astroid belt is no different from a coal mine. It's limited in resources. There is no such thing is infinitive resources unless they are renewable like water and corn. However, I have not disagreed with the resources on the planet being big enough to fit our demands, that's why I brought in two factors. Limit of supply and limit of creations made by a specific individual.

[QUOTE=dgg;24449100]Uhm, no they can't. Unless you isolate them from other people so they can't think about murdering them in any way because there are no humans to murder. The thoughts comes environmentally from contact and socializing with other human beings. You can't prevent anyone from discovering pleasure in murdering, raping, children and whatnot without blocking them away from humans because humans are the source of the discoveries of the pleasures.[/QUOTE] yes you can because not everyone (in fact most people) dont murder and why do you think it is that most people dont murder ever thought of that [editline]05:10PM[/editline] [QUOTE=dgg;24449100]Uhm, no they can't. Unless you isolate them from other people so they can't think about murdering them in any way because there are no humans to murder. The thoughts comes environmentally from contact and socializing with other human beings. You can't prevent anyone from discovering pleasure in murdering, raping, children and whatnot without blocking them away from humans because humans are the source of the discoveries of the pleasures. [editline]02:09AM[/editline] The astroid belt is no different from a coal mine. It's limited in resources. There is no such thing is infinitive resources unless they are renewable like water and corn.[/QUOTE] yes but it is alot, alot more then we would ever use so there

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24449137]yes you can because not everyone (in fact most people) dont murder and why do you think it is that most people dont murder ever thought of that[/QUOTE] No, you can't. The reason most people don't murder is because they think it's wrong, but then there are those who don't. And those who don't will always exist because humans aren't robots that are mass produced and programmed to be exactly alike. [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24449137]yes but it is alot, alot more then we would ever use so there[/QUOTE] Already caught you on that. I also caught you on that a long time ago, but you solely focused on the resource part of my argument and completely ignored the producer argument.

[QUOTE=dgg;24449190]No, you can't. The reason most people don't murder is because they think it's wrong, but then there are those who don't. And those who don't will always exist because humans aren't robots that are mass produced and programmed to be exactly alike.[/QUOTE] yes but it can become a very rare thing. i have read books on why people murder it happens when people live in a sick environment. and that can be stopped. look at necrophilia it used to be a big thing that was a problem but now its almost never happens the same can go for murder

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24449233]yes but it can become a very rare thing. i have read books on why people murder it happens when people live in a sick environment. and that can be stopped. look at necrophilia it used to be a big thing that was a problem but now its almost never happens the same can go for murder[/QUOTE] Oh, but look what have we here. A sudden complete change in argument. It can happen now? But wait, that's all I've been saying all the time. Never did I say it would be a majority or a big part of the population. My only argument is that it will happen, there will be people who will commit murder for one reason or another no matter how perfect you try to make a society.

[QUOTE=dgg;24449330]Oh, but look what have we here. A sudden complete change in argument. It can happen now? But wait, that's all I've been saying all the time. Never did I say it would be a majority or a big part of the population. My only argument is that it will happen, there will be people who will commit murder for one reason or another no matter how perfect you try to make a society.[/QUOTE] well i my point was that it would be so small it would be a huge thing when it happens like 1 murder a year or somthing. so ok not all murder but like 99% and with time and science that could get to 99.1 then 99.2 ect

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24449390]well i my point was that it would be so small it would be a huge thing when it happens like 1 murder a year or somthing. so ok not all murder but like 99% and with time and science that could get to 99.1 then 99.2 ect[/QUOTE] But it could never go to 100%, and I don't think you would reduce it with science because science isn't a magical thing. Or well, you could maybe create simulators so realistic that you could commit the act of murdering people so well that they wouldn't need to murder real people. But it could have the side-effect of making them completely ice-cold and stop seeing the difference between the simulator and real life. So I don't think that would work. So no, you wouldn't patch it up with science unless you can develop science so far that you can alter the brain.

[QUOTE=dgg;24449436]But it could never go to 100%, and I don't think you would reduce it with science because science isn't a magical thing. Or well, you could maybe create simulators so realistic that you could commit the act of murdering people so well that they wouldn't need to murder real people. But it could have the side-effect of making them completely ice-cold and stop seeing the difference between the simulator and real life. So I don't think that would work. So no, you wouldn't patch it up with science unless you can develop science so far that you can alter the brain.[/QUOTE] by that i meant they can figure put why people murder and keep on taking away those factors

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24449545]by that i meant they can figure put why people murder and keep on taking away those factors[/QUOTE] So make it impossible to cheat in relationships? Don't see that being possible. [editline]07:30PM[/editline] Science can't solve everything.

[QUOTE=Links;24441843]Wow, I've never heard of that. That sucks. Still, couldn't we theoretically invent a vaccine or something to counteract that?[/QUOTE] A vaccine against oxidation? What?

[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24449637]So make it impossible to cheat in relationships? Don't see that being possible. [editline]07:30PM[/editline] Science can't solve everything.[/QUOTE] make people less of a "this is my wife she is my property" kind of thing and tell me one thing science cant solve that anything else can also the wife wouldnt cheat because u have to look at why they do it

If people lived twice as long, scientific genius' would live and work twice as long, and thus we'd make more scientific advances, hopefully some of these would be in ways to sustain a large population. (Better food, crop yields, colonizing other planets, etc)

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24449711]make people less of a "this is my wife she is my property" kind of thing and tell me one thing science cant solve that anything else can also the wife wouldnt cheat because u have to look at why they do it[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but other than your question to me, I have no clue what you said.

[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;24449768]I'm sorry but other than your question to me, I have no clue what you said.[/QUOTE] make it were they dont see there wife as property and also make it were people marry the people they love so they dont cheat

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24449811]make it were they dont see there wife as property and also make it were people marry the people they love so they dont cheat[/QUOTE] Just because a man doesn't want his wife sleeping with other men doesn't mean he sees her as his property. But anyway, that isn't possible with current science. Removing basic human emotions(lust, anger) just isn't possible right now.

[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;24449811]make it were they dont see there wife as property and also make it were people marry the people they love so they dont cheat[/QUOTE] You really need to learn something about grammar and even proper writing. I don't really know what to say about the OP though.. Extending our lives is awesome, adaptation is probably but I think they we need to cut back.