How To Stop School Shootings - General

This video is such blatant social media right wing circlejerk material.

I honestly don't see how a metal detector would stop a school shooter. Someone who is that committed for slaughter won't be worried about a beeping barrier. And for the video, no, you don't stop school shootings by throwing more guns at the problem.

So instead of not allowing guns you'd rather restructure your entire society.

[QUOTE=booster;53138553]I honestly don't see how a metal detector would stop a school shooter. Someone who is that committed for slaughter won't be worried about a beeping barrier. And for the video, no, you don't stop school shootings by throwing more guns at the problem.[/QUOTE] Metal detectors are only really feasible in schools built within a single large building with few entrances. If my highschool had installed metal detectors there would need to be fences EVERYWHERE to narrow all the student traffic into a cone.

[QUOTE=nox;53138570]Metal detectors are only really feasible in schools built within a single large building with few entrances. If my highschool had installed metal detectors there would need to be fences EVERYWHERE to narrow all the student traffic into a cone.[/QUOTE] Meaning it will also be easy to pick off any students trying to escape when you've taken out the guards.

[img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/395240284377841685/414407343577497600/unknown.png[/img] So just do this then.

Only in america the reasonable option to fight school shootings is arm the teachers, fucking seriously. [editline]17th February 2018[/editline] or even gun crime in general having a gun on you at all times is just going to maximise the risk of accidents occurring, Like fuck a teacher is going to risk their life to save a classroom from an active shooter who is intentionally killing people mindlessly, its far too much danger for both the teacher and the class.

His suggestions seem more unrealistic than just fixing the mental health issues our country has.

[QUOTE=butre;53138283]there are only so many exits to start with. it's not like he's suggesting one metal detector will do the job. the armed guards are meant to be primarily a deterrent, not the only line of defense.[/QUOTE] [quote]The only person trained and armed to fight back against an assailant at Stoneman Douglas is its one school resource officer, a Broward Sheriff’s deputy funded by the city of Parkland. But Maxwell said she doesn’t think he was on campus when the shooting happened. “I have been told by a couple of sources that the SRO was either called off campus responding to something happening or it could have been his day off,” she said. “They are stretched very thin.” Neither BSO nor school district officials responded to requests for comment Thursday about where the officer was at the time. On Friday, Broward Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said he was told by BSO officials that an officer was at the school but on a different part of campus.[/quote] [url=http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-20180215-story.html]Sun Sentinel[/url] Armed guards really worked well for Parkland.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;53138848][url=http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-20180215-story.html]Sun Sentinel[/url] Armed guards really worked well for Parkland.[/QUOTE] One armed officer on a large school campus works so well (who may or may not be there). I don't think you made the point you were hoping to make. Its kinda like when my local city decided to try public transit. So that they could show it doesn't work. They put a bus stop in the middle of a field basically and the other in a neighborhood. No one used it because who wants to go to a field. They used that then to prove that this area doesn't want public transit. That was a decade and a half ago. They still use that "test run" to shoot down proposals to make public transit available today.

How bout we stop making schools prisons and make guns harder to obtain by people who are unfit to use them. That's an idea.

The idea that a developed nation like the US would need armed guards in schools is pretty absurd to me. I don't think that's the direction you should be going.

I couldn't even trust my teachers in school to do their jobs and teach the lesson. I wouldn't trust them with a gun.

Also why is it that I also keep hearing about teachers and superintendents doing nothing about bullying, leading to suicide all the fucking time in the news? Call me a conspiracy therorist, but I have a hunch you see.

[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;53138873]How bout we stop making schools prisons and make guns harder to obtain by people who are unfit to use them. That's an idea.[/QUOTE] You don't need to be fit for a firearms license or even obtain a license to buy an original military-issue automatic Kalashnikov from the black market. Or if you're suicidal you can manipulate the gun owner in your own family to obtain a firearm. No matter how many laws you shit out, no criminal is going to care about them.

Typical American school day, 2030: Get up, eat breakfast, go to DeVos(tm) brand school which my parents are gracious enough to scrape together the money to pay for. Line up to go through metal detectors with the rest of the students. Get pulled aside for strip search. Just one of those days. Get inside. Armed guards with m-4s posted in every hall. The warning bell sounds, better get into class or else I'll get tackled for being in the halls between periods without a permit. Today's lesson is on Colt and Browning as part of the "patriotic manufacturer outreach agreement" between my school and the companies involved. Teacher proudly displays her classroom personal defense weapon and talks about how the corporation which produced it is a wonderful choice for keeping oneself safe in this increasingly dangerous world of ours. Get home and turn on news to see story about new school shooting where everyone got gunned down as they were leaving the Academic Panopticon (tm) entrance. Plans are to build a security wall and towers around schools from now on so that snipers can take out potential shooters if necessary.

[QUOTE=Zakkshockv2;53138275]That's what pisses me off so much about it. Republicans are all about slashing the shit out of school budgets but somehow find the money to spare when guns are involved. Fucking pathetic.[/QUOTE] What money does the GOP spend for guns? What these guys are suggesting is that teachers who are already gun owners and licensed to carry be allowed to do so within schools. [editline]17th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;53138276]I'm happy that we have people that are allowed to express their freedom to use guns, but I don't think this guy should be advocating for something like this.[/QUOTE] This guy at least has hands on experience with at least part of the topic, which is more than most people with opinions on the subject. [editline]17th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;53138873]How bout we stop making schools prisons and make guns harder to obtain by people who are unfit to use them. That's an idea.[/QUOTE] Apparently the kid had a multitude of issues that should have prevented him from buying a gun, but nobody in a position of authority did their due diligence to prevent him from buying it.

Shooting a shooter doesn't stop school shootings from happening, it only ends them.

[QUOTE=Ridge;53138980] Apparently the kid had a multitude of issues that should have prevented him from buying a gun, but nobody in a position of authority did their due diligence to prevent him from buying it.[/QUOTE] Isn't this like the second time this has happened in recent memory? I think it's time to look into why people aren't effectively enforcing the regulations that are [I]already on the books[/I] when it comes to gun laws. Is it negligence? The systems being underfunded and understaffed? Whose job was it to make sure that this person wasn't able to buy a gun? We prosecute for selling alcohol and cigarettes to minors, perhaps people who fail to do the due diligence in maintaining the systems which allow us to mitigate the potential damage caused by nutjobs getting their hands on guns should begin facing similar litigation for allowing these tragedies to occur. Perhaps that already exists, but given the fact that this has seemingly happened before, and I've never heard about anyone getting the book thrown at them for it, I haven't gotten any indication that it does. I am not by any means some rabid anti-gun advocate, I don't think that banning more shit or making it harder to get firearms is a solution to this, but the fact that the conservative response to this shit happening over and over and [I]over[/I] again is seemingly always to either sit down with their thumbs up their assholes and scream 'lalalala I can't hear yoooou we're not gonna' do anything but prayyy' or go full AMD and start singing 'ADD MOOAR GUUUUNS' is fucking comical. I want the US to be a country where stable and trustworthy folks can buy and use firearms but there's a problem here and it needs to be addressed [I]somehow[/I]. The other problem is that of course any potential solution which [I]isn't[/I] just banning shit is going to involve putting money into our social and law enforcement systems to fix this shit, which conservatives [I]also[/I] don't like. Fix underfunded schools? Nope, not gonna' spend more money on that shit! Work on shoring up mental health services? Lol why should I pay for [I]your[/I] problems? There's no magic bullet for it but 'thoughts and prayers' aren't a fucking solution to this, just like they're not a fucking solution for terrorists blowing people up and bad immigration policy, so I'd like if conservatives would stop pretending that they are and start working on a way to fix this shit that we can all agree on.

I don't have a problem with teachers carrying as long as they are licensed CCL carriers and go through some sort of vetting program with the county or state. I'm not particularly against metal detectors and armed guards either (my school had a resource officer) but the problem with that suggestion is that it requires money, money that is all too often not made available to school systems due to Republican fiscal policy. It's much like how conservatives will bleat "mental health" without ever giving anything resembling specifics but continue to vote for the party that wants healthcare to be as expensive and hard to access as possible.

[QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;53139248]Shooting a shooter doesn't stop school shootings from happening, it only ends them.[/QUOTE] Which even then is debatable

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;53140421]Which even then is debatable[/QUOTE] I don't see how the perp dying could possibly not stop him from shooting?

[QUOTE=froztshock;53139316]Isn't this like the second time this has happened in recent memory?[/QUOTE] When most gun resellers are insane "Gun rights" people trying to expand and push their market, this is what happens. They don't give a shit who's buying, just as long as they'll listen when they mouth off about Obongo and his evil phantom legislation banning guns! They are often the core of the insane "gun rights" movement and will ignore and shit on the existing legislation more than anyone!

[QUOTE=Bomimo;53140678]When most gun resellers are insane "Gun rights" people trying to expand and push their market, this is what happens. They don't give a shit who's buying, just as long as they'll listen when they mouth off about Obongo and his evil phantom legislation banning guns! They are often the core of the insane "gun rights" movement and will ignore and shit on the existing legislation more than anyone![/QUOTE] could you not post batshit conspiracy theories thanks

Yeah it's totally the job of fucking educators to be security guards

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[QUOTE=Ganerumo;53140757]Probably worth mentioning there was an armed guard at the latest school shooting and he didn't do shit because he never found the shooter.[/QUOTE] yeah one armed guard on a big ass campus and he may or may not have even been there

[QUOTE=butre;53140675]I don't see how the perp dying could possibly not stop him from shooting?[/QUOTE] I think the point being made is that by the time they're getting shot by a guard they've already started shooting people.

[QUOTE=_Axel;53140846]I think the point being made is that by the time they're getting shot by a guard they've already started shooting people.[/QUOTE] the way I read his post is that it's debatable that it ends it

Have remote controlled guns at every place in the school, so Police can just use those when it happens. /s Seriously though, more guns is not the answer to gun violence and especially to mental health issues of children. Great first world country where teachers are supposed to be armed and alert of their students. Maybe try to get rid of stupid systems like zero tolerance and offer proper counselling for students in need.