[QUOTE=phygon;53140699]Yeah it's totally the job of fucking educators to be security guards[/QUOTE]
My mom has been a teacher for her entire career spanning over 35 plus years and is retiring this year, not because she wants to, but because she has health issues (her knees have practically turned to dust from all the standing and she was being really stubborn :v:)
She's seen and dealt with some horrors on the same level of child services social workers - domestic abuse (she discovered that one because she asked for the kid's father's name and he just started crying and peed his pants in front of the entire class out of fear.). Corporal punishment, both done on me (a superstitious teacher was trying to hammer me out of being a lefty by hitting my hands repeatedly with a ruler until she found out) and onto children (a child bled through his shirt because his father whipped him the night before so badly that the wounds never stopped bleeding). Family problems (single mother hung herself, that little boy found the body after returning from school and she had him move into our house for a while while the family sorted itself out). Another child was found to be, er, sampling a lot of the booze from his alcoholic (and abusive) father and showed up drunk to school. [B][I]The kicker is that these are children from the fourth grade.[/I][/B] Think about how tiny these little kiddos are, what your biggest challenge was in fourth grade (for me it was doing my homework in time before cartoon time on the TV) and then imagine what the fuck they must think of their lives. The stories go on - I often wonder how the fuck my mom functions as a human being despite all this, because it's all kinds of fucked up - yet they're underpaid and blamed for almost everything because most parents don't even bother to parent anymore, they just leave everything to teachers while they treat their children like a life accessory. :frown:
So, so many people out there hold the idea of gun ownership so sacrosanct while blatantly ignoring the core element of handling bullying and mental illness that it's sickening. The idea of my mother being asked to wield a gun as an [I]actual[/I] solution to school shootings would be hilarious in a dark way if it wasn't so fucking depressing. Fix the No tolerance policy on bullying, don't dismiss bullying allegations or normalize it with some pseudo-psychological bullshit that adversity helps them grow socially, learn to spot the signs of a child that's in a fucked up situation and let them get qualified help. If there's one thing that everyone seems to be so fucking adamant about outside of gun control, it seems that it's suppressing any open discussion of mental illness and that just lets this cyclical argument about "Let's take their guns!" "Fuck you" continue ad nauseum as the bodies pile up.
As the son of a teacher, fuck the guy in the OP - treating fire with fucking napalm is [I]not[/I] the solution.
[QUOTE=butre;53140675]I don't see how the perp dying could possibly not stop him from shooting?[/QUOTE]
School shooting[I]s[/I], as in there will be another one. And another, and another, and another, and so on
How to prevent school shootings: Stop reporting and make documentaries about the shooters.
I really hate how the issue about school shootings is constantly dodged through tangents about gun ownership. Instead of considering the long-term benefits of social programs, the cans in charge always think about the short-term. It's either get rid of all guns or give everyone guns, never considering that maybe guns are just a means rather than a cause and going after the means of a solved crime is a waste of time. It's all about fiscal efficiency; if psychology can't fix school shootings with a couple hundred thousand dollars, a bullet only costs a couple cents and hiring security guards means JOBS! #GoodForTheEconomy
There's a kid out there who lashed out with deadly results and yet, all we have to show for it is the same old song and dance that happened the last 20 odd times. If that ain't part of some fable about parental neglect and collective irresponsibility, I don't know what's happening anymore.
I feel like that 'solving' school shootings by arming teachers and putting up metal detectors at school is like solving shitting your pants by keeping a roll of toilet paper with you at all times. Sure, it might help in the situation but you should probably work to prevent the whole thing happening in the first place.
[QUOTE=butre;53140675]I don't see how the perp dying could possibly not stop him from shooting?[/QUOTE]
That's assuming someone [i]does[/i] shoot the school shooter. But really, you shouldn't even be having situations where there are school shooters. That's the underlying problem.
I don't understand how you can have so little awareness of anything outside of the United States that you wouldn't realize after thinking about this for a minute that no first world country on Earth requires armed fucking guards stationed inside their schools 24/7 except the USA apparently. My brain hurts just thinking about the cognitive dissonance that's required to think that the state of gun violence in the United States is something normal that can only be solved with more guns and more bullets.
lol at the lighting. They didnt even put a light on his face to compensate for the hat hes wearing that also puts all the upper lights in no use.
I find it difficult to think that armed guards would ever work as a deterrent. If you're at the point of deciding to shoot up a school I don't think self-preservation is likely a big concern anymore.
Great, what if you have a radical teacher who thinks 'fuck it, I hate all these little cunts, I'm going to shoot them'.
[editline]18th February 2018[/editline]
These videos are so stupid.
[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;53141891]Great, what if you have a radical teacher who thinks 'fuck it, I hate all these little cunts, I'm going to shoot them'.
[editline]18th February 2018[/editline]
These videos are so stupid.[/QUOTE]
they'd probably just bring their gun from home that day anyway
I love (hate) how people think that a suicidal shooter who doesn't expect to live beyond his 15 minutes of infamy is gonna back down because a 50 year old math teacher has a handgun.
[QUOTE=CP-26;53154412]I love (hate) how people think that a suicidal shooter who doesn't expect to live beyond his 15 minutes of infamy is gonna back down because a 50 year old math teacher has a handgun.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, killing someone that's shooting a place up would make them back down, don't you think?
I don't advocate at all for guns in schools, they're obviously a terrible idea, and there is always a chance the shooter fires first or the shooter has a vest on.
But physically making them stop does work.
imagine being a teacher and having to shoot one of your students
why not just tackle the issue at its core instead of trying to arm everyone and further gut the already-gutted school budgets, which get smaller and smaller every year, because of the same people who want to arm teachers
why not just stop people who have been visited by the cops over 20 times from getting a gun, why not put a red flag on anyone who gets investigated by the fbi, instead of blaming video games and a lack of guns
this isn't a problem in any other country
you can even go to school shooting on wikipedia, and america even has their own article listing all of them, while other countries just have a couple on the main page
this whole alternate solution stuff is bullshit, and this wouldn't even hurt people legit wanting to get a gun for protection or hunting or anything, just a bit longer waiting period with more information required
Arming teachers isn't meant to have the teachers run out and confront the shooter, they're meant to stay in their class room like they usually do and if a shooter gets in, there's SOME line of defense that can be put up. Similar to conceal carry permits. Just because you have one doesn't mean you get to run towards trouble and use it. It's for personal defense. And in a country where it's TOO LATE to get rid of all the guns, and there's more guns than people, it could save lives, and that's good. It's still not a prevention, though
A better solution is to make idiot irresponsible parents and adults who legally own guns keep them locked up in a safe so their even bigger idiot child can't get to them at all. Just look at how many of the shootings are done with a gun someone ELSE owned. The strongest background checks and raising the age to buy them wouldn't have stopped any of these, why will they stop future school shootings
Also, comparing the USA gun issues to other country's gun issues is a bit unfair. It would be like comparing car accidents of one country where everyone drives to another country where no one drives.
How to stop school shootings: Start strong mental health programs in schools that follow up with children who are in need or are at risk and work with the parents to ensure the safety of the school in any extreme cases.
Lets say you manage to ban guns, great, now you have some kid who wants to still kill his schoolmates and is willing to do it through other means. Whats the next step?
If I've learned anything about politics it's that the last thing people are willing to change to solve an issue is themselves.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;53156582]Lets say you manage to ban guns, great, now you have some kid who wants to still kill his schoolmates and is willing to do it through other means. Whats the next step?[/QUOTE]
Well it's certainly going to either be a lot less effective or trigger more red flags as he starts ordering pressure cookers and fertiliser from Amazon.
Fixing the mental health issue in the US isn't a be-all end-all solution to this problem. Despite what a lot of American 2A advocates like to present, mental healthcare around the world is largely just as pitiful. It's probably more accessible sure, but the effectiveness of it varies wildly country by country. And to add to that; sure you've fixed the shitty mental health system, but how do you now get potential shooters THROUGH said system? Crazy people don't tend to realise they're crazy, forcing someone through it will almost certainly trigger a significant backlash as "you're stripping freedum!" and in the end, suicides, of which a major amount of gun deaths can be attributed to, are spur of the moment things.
Even good mental healthcare can't stop someone who's either not receiving the help they need or just having a bad time despite getting the help they need from making snap decisions to kill themselves or others.
"Oh but they'll just kill with other things" is a cop-out argument. Sure, people might try to use a knife or a fucking longbow or something. But those are nowhere near as effective as a firearm. It's sure as shit easier to outrun a knife wielding maniac than it is to outrun a piece of metal flying over 900m/s at you. Guns detach the shooter from the event of killing, they don't have to feel every tissue, every bone, that their "tool" of choice hits as they make the kill. They can just stand back and fire.
This is definitely a multi-faceted issue, societal changes, infrastructure to support better care, etc. are all needed. But to deny that guns don't play a role in this at all is just fucking asinine.
[QUOTE=CP-26;53154412]I love (hate) how people think that a suicidal shooter who doesn't expect to live beyond his 15 minutes of infamy is gonna back down because a 50 year old math teacher has a handgun.[/QUOTE]
This shooter ran into a a civilian with a pistol, and then retreated and killed himself in a stair well.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clackamas_Town_Center_shooting[/url]
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;53138873]How bout we stop making schools prisons[/QUOTE]
With how many of our citizens we imprison, making our schools feel like prisons might be relevant life experience
I just wanna say that I really don't think funding is an issue when it comes to these schools that do fucking nothing about troubled students. Schools, atleast here in Texas, make fucking bank and spend it all on bonuses for the higher ups, or useless hundred thousand dollar stadiums for sports.
[QUOTE=Hilton;53158595]I just wanna say that I really don't think funding is an issue when it comes to these schools that do fucking nothing about troubled students. Schools, atleast here in Texas, make fucking bank and spend it all on bonuses for the higher ups, or useless hundred thousand dollar stadiums for sports.[/QUOTE]
distribution issues is still a funding issue. lay out a per-student budget and dictate where that budget can go. that'll solve a lot of issues
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