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[QUOTE=Saber15;47062761]They can be select-fire. You'd generally have to be pretty crazy to shoot them automatic, though. The M14 (7.62x51mm) came with a fully automatic fire mode and was pretty much unusable when doing so because of the combination of huge recoil and the relatively small magazine.[/QUOTE] When I say [B]capable [/B]of fully automatic fire, I meant that they could achieve automatic fire out of the box. I think it's generally assumed that most light small arms come with select fire capabilities.

[QUOTE=Quark:;47062935]if we want to get pedantic, any weapon that i assault someone with is an assault weapon. :v:[/QUOTE] It really isn't pedantic, it is an important distinction. An assault rifle is a rifle that fulfills both the role of a rifle and that of an SMG. It is a hybrid weapon. It has a full auto setting, like an SMG, allowing you to use it like you would an SMG: in an assault function. If you use the "all weapons that you attack people with are assault weapons" then all weapons become assault weapons and you, once again, have a useless definition. It really isn't that complicated.

[QUOTE=GunFox;47062769]Not according to anyone who knows anything about firearms. Semi automatic makes a firearm the utter opposite of an assault weapon.[/QUOTE] The article states that an assault rifles and assault weapons aren't exactly the same thing. Assault weapons is a legal term used to describe any firearms that have additional features that are only really useful for military purposes, semi automatic or not. These are some of the most common features found on an assault weapon. [QUOTE] -Semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine -Folding or telescoping (collapsible) stock, which reduces the overall length of the firearm -Pistol grip, whether rifle, shotgun, or pistol -Bayonet lug, which allows the mounting of a bayonet -Threaded barrel, which can accept devices such as a flash suppressor, Suppressor, compensator or muzzle brake -Grenade launcher -Barrel shroud, which prevents burning of shooter's arm or hand as a safety device [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=cdr248;47063109]The article states that an assault rifles and assault weapons aren't exactly the same thing. Assault weapons is a legal term used to describe any firearms that have additional features that are only really useful for military purposes, semi automatic or not. These are some of the most common features found on an assault weapon.[/QUOTE] They use the term "assault weapon" solely to make it sound more scary. They could call it "baby raping monkey gun" and it would be just as (in)valid. It is just an attempt to push useless (also technically illegal) legislation on people. The term isn't valid and nobody who deals with firearms is likely to use the term because it is confusing. EDIT: I should also point out that many of those features have perfectly civilian functions. Flash hiders are mounted on just about everything. barrel shrouds are purely so you don't burn yourself. Pistol grips are just a comfort thing and have zero bearing on performance. Folding stocks are literally just for convenience and for adjusting to the shooter's arm size, in the field nobody intentionally engages without the stock deployed. A semi automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine is basically 70% of firearms in existence.

[QUOTE=cdr248;47063109]Assault weapons is a legal term used to describe any firearms that have additional features that are only really useful for military purposes, semi automatic or not.[/QUOTE] ah yes the deadly barrel shroud, the shoulder thing that goes up don't go trustin those shifty eyed folding stocks and pistol grips either

[QUOTE=Robman8908;47062603]From what I know, and correct me if I have this wrong (it's been awhile since I got a chance to use this), you can make pretty much any semi-automatic rifle a fully automatic rifle just by removing one tiny spring.[/QUOTE] Most military style rifles that are semi auto civilian models are already missing parts, which prevents them from being full auto. The "sear" is removed from the receiver, and there are no holes drilled for it. Owning such a rifle and also even owning but not using this piece is a federal crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. [img]http://i.imgur.com/LEaljXB.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=GunFox;47063155]They use the term "assault weapon" solely to make it sound more scary. They could call it "baby raping monkey gun" and it would be just as (in)valid. It is just an attempt to push useless (also technically illegal) legislation on people. The term isn't valid and nobody who deals with firearms is likely to use the term because it is confusing. EDIT: I should also point out that many of those features have perfectly civilian functions. Flash hiders are mounted on just about everything. barrel shrouds are purely so you don't burn yourself. Pistol grips are just a comfort thing and have zero bearing on performance. Folding stocks are literally just for convenience and for adjusting to the shooter's arm size, in the field nobody intentionally engages without the stock deployed. A semi automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine is basically 70% of firearms in existence.[/QUOTE] It's a legislative term I honestly don't give care if it makes things sound more scary or isn't a used term among hobbyists. I'm not trying to point out that it's the term that [I]should [/I]be used either, I simply just pointed out that assault weapons is a completely different term from assault rifle since in your first post you confused assault weapons for assault rifles. And while I understand that many of those features also serve civilian purposes, it's basically just Congress' way to differentiate your CZ 550s from your M4a1s (and yeah I don't like it either but I'm just playing devil's advocate at this point).

[QUOTE=darunner;47063223]Most military style rifles that are semi auto civilian models are already missing parts, which prevents them from being full auto. The "sear" is removed from the receiver, and there are no holes drilled for it. Owning such a rifle and also even owning but not using this piece is a federal crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. [img]http://i.imgur.com/LEaljXB.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Provided the weapon was not registered with the NFA prior to 1986 and you lack the proper paperwork. In America that is.

[QUOTE=cdr248;47063249]It's a legislative term I honestly don't give care if it makes things sound more scary or isn't a used term among hobbyists. I'm not trying to point out that it's the term that [I]should [/I]be used either, I simply just pointed out that assault weapons is a completely different term from assault rifle since in your first post you confused assault weapons for assault rifles.[/quote] when did he do this [quote]And while I understand that many of those features also serve civilian purposes, it's basically just Congress' way to differentiate your CZ 550s from your M4a1s (and yeah I don't like it either but I'm just playing devil's advocate at this point).[/QUOTE] cz 550 is neither an "assault weapon" nor an assault rifle please stop

[QUOTE=Jund;47063331]when did he do this cz 550 is neither an "assault weapon" nor an assault rifle please stop[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=GunFox;47062769][QUOTE=urbanmonkey;47062554]assault rifles are select-fire (not just fully automatic) assault weapons are military style semi-automatic rifles [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle#Assault_rifles_vs._assault_weapons[/url][/QUOTE] Not according to anyone who knows anything about firearms. Semi automatic makes a firearm the utter opposite of an assault weapon.[/QUOTE] It kinda sounded like he did it here unless I am mistaken ^ Also yeah a CZ 550 isn't an assault weapon that is what I am saying. I'm saying that if Congress wanted to ban assault weapons, they'd be banning shit like your M4s and M14s which (if I am right) are basically defined as assault weapons, while your CZ 550s and other non-assault weapons like pistols will stay unbanned.

[QUOTE=cdr248;47063374]It kinda sounded like he did it here unless I am mistaken ^ Also yeah a CZ 550 isn't an assault weapon that is what I am saying. I'm saying that if Congress wanted to ban assault weapons, they'd use the terms assault weapons which refers to shit like your M4s, while your CZ 550s and other hunting rifles will stay unbanned.[/QUOTE] he's talking about what a real assault weapon is, which is a weapon capable of "assault" in military combat terms legislators use their own "assault weapons" term to ban scary looking semi-auto rifles with detachable mags as opposed to stuff like the garand, so a bolt action hunting rifle wouldn't even be close to any of those categories

[QUOTE=Jund;47063411]he's talking about what a real assault weapon is, which is a weapon capable of "assault" in military combat terms legislators use their own "assault weapons" term to ban scary looking semi-auto rifles with detachable mags as opposed to stuff like the garand, so a bolt action hunting rifle wouldn't even be close to any of those categories[/QUOTE] Actually yeah now I know what you mean about GunFox and I apologize. I thought he didn't know the context of the term assault weapons and was attacking urbanmonkey for saying that assault weapons were semi automatic military rifles Although I still don't see how you don't understand the whole CZ 550 thing, I am saying it is [B]not [/B]an assault weapon. I said that the term assault weapons is used to separate military style firearms from your average hunting rifles like the CZ 550.

[QUOTE=cdr248;47063465]Actually yeah now I know what you mean about GunFox and I apologize. I thought he was attacking urbanmonkey, not just the legislators. Although I still don't see how you don't understand the whole CZ 550 thing, I am saying it is [B]not [/B]an assault weapon. I said that the term assault weapons is used to separate military style firearms from your average hunting rifles like the CZ 550.[/QUOTE] it's the difference between saying a tomato is not a vegetable and saying that a truck is not a vegetable

[QUOTE=Jund;47063490]it's the difference between saying a tomato is not a vegetable and saying that a truck is not a vegetable[/QUOTE] It's just that when GunFox said "Semi automatic makes a firearm the utter opposite of an assault weapon." I thought he mistook assault weapons for assault rifles and was saying that a rifle that is just semi-automatic is not an assault rifle since there was a whole lot of talk about the definition of an assault rifle prior. I didn't know he was attacking legislators. (This is assuming you are talking about the difference between assault rifles and assault weapons) If you still don't understand my CZ 550 point then here is an analogy: lemons (m4a1) and strawberries (CZ 550) are both fruit. Congress wants to ban all fruits like the lemons without banning other fruits like strawberries. So they invent a term to encompass all fruits like lemons: citrus fruits. So they ban all the citrus fruits and leave all the other fruits. (This is assuming you are talking about the difference between hunting rifles and assault weapons)

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;47062408]Hold on let me get this straight AK in Canada is on the prohibited list, but this gun which looks waaaay more concealable, isn't? Is it just because AK is so much cheaper?[/QUOTE] No, it's because the bans all took place in 1995, and this wasn't invented then yet. They banned the Steyr AUG back in the day because it existed. I'm sure if the Tavor was around in the '90s it'd be illegal here too, because it would have been in that copy of Gun Digest that the government went through and banned everything that looked "scary" (No joke, this is what the government actually did).

[QUOTE=cdr248;47063532]It's just that when GunFox said "Semi automatic makes a firearm the utter opposite of an assault weapon." I thought he mistook assault weapons for assault rifles and was saying that a rifle that is just semi-automatic is not an assault rifle since there was a whole lot of talk about the definition of an assault rifle prior. I didn't know he was attacking legislators.[/QUOTE] i was talking about the cz 550 and a semi-auto rifle is not an assault rifle

[QUOTE=Jund;47063577]i was talking about the cz 550 and a semi-auto rifle is not an assault rifle[/QUOTE] Yes I know. I thought that since he said "a semi-automatic rifle is not an assault rifle" I thought he was talking about the definition of assault rifles and I was just pointing out that urbanmonkey was talking about assault weapons and not assault rifles [editline]2nd February 2015[/editline] anyway I guess I should just jump outta here before I embarrass myself further

Got me good, I live in Kentucky and there are totally tons of gas stations that also sell guns in rural areas.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;47064139]Got me good, I live in Kentucky and there are totally tons of gas stations that also sell guns in rural areas.[/QUOTE] Technically speaking the majority of Walmarts are gas stations that sell guns.

[QUOTE=Impact1986;47062431]No its because AK aren't manufactured in Israel[/QUOTE] as usual the flag makes the post perfect

Imagine if he mag dumped the turtle.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;47064182]Technically speaking the majority of Walmarts are gas stations that sell guns.[/QUOTE] I've never seen a walmart that had a gas station

[QUOTE=hydrated;47064909]I've never seen a walmart that had a gas station[/QUOTE] But they do sell diapers and jumbo pop tart cases.