I don't get why anyone listens to Anita. Everything she says has been made moot by her Bayonetta video. She doesn't do any research other then copy and paste TVtropes articles into her dialog and is followed by a bunch of retarded "Social Justice" Warriors. She is one of those people who thinks that because she's trying to defend something it makes her smart and right. This is like those tumblr retards who go on about privileges. Do you listen to those people? No, then why would you listen to Anita?
I got a minute in and I already had to stop the video after the first thing she said. 10/10.
Grade A attention whore.
So he's complaining that she's focusing on improving how women are written into video games by saying that the gaming community is about protecting their asses in online games?
Missing the point a lot buddy.
This video is horribly off topic. He goes off about multiplayer games, while Anita is going off about more of the female character in general. I still horribly disagree with Anita but this guy has no idea what he is talking about. She has no care for the multiplayer community, just how the female characters are portrayed itself.
Anyways, I hate her. Because of the amount of money she gained from her kickstarter she sees herself as a hero, as someone to stand up for other women. She always assumes all these "trolls" are men so she still feels as if the feminists are on her side. Her channel is very controlled blocking comments and ratings so she still feels as if people are on her side. If Tom Preston had a wife, she would be his wife.
[Editline]march 4th, 2013[/editline]
Also Instig8iveJournalism's video that was posted in this thread is a good watch. He doesn't criticize the opinions she has, but how bad she is at talking about said subject.
Why are people treating this video like it's a response to Anita's original point about portrayal of women in video game's stories? It's not.
He's just criticizing her for her conspiracy theory that the entire gaming community has organized against her and the negative comments are proof of that and that the entire gaming community wants to "maintain the status quo of video games as a male dominated space, etc". That's the only point of this video. It's pretty ironic that people say that "he missed the point".
First half of the video is typical useless criticism about how entitled Sarkeesian is to dare to criticize a media like thousands of people have done before her, along with the typical complaints that she got more money than she asked for but doesn't pump out videos fast enough for her critics, as if money somehow directly correlates to productivity. On a related note, Thunderf00ts videos aren't even close to the same caliber. I've had problems with Sarkeesians methodology in the past, but her first video was a pretty decent dissection of early gaming and the Damsel in Distress trope. They were informative and presented generally well. This video (and most of his videos, on the other hand) are mostly him talking into a shitty mic with meme pictures and the occasional recorded video clip between points.
Second half of the video goes off on a bizarre tangent, implying that Sarkeesian is actually upset with video games because she is bad at them and somehow wants to make them more inclusive, when almost the entirety of her criticisms are with characters, plot, and writing rather than difficulty and gameplay. This half is kicked off with an abrupt cut to Quake scoreboard screenshots and clips from the Matrix and Equilibrium. Seems like a really weird direction to go in. After this, he decries Sarkeesian's "professional victim" act while at the same time whining about how the gaming community in general is victimized, without realizing that when she was talking about a conspiracy (I wouldn't even call it that though) she meant the people criticizing her character with horrible misogynistic language and death/rape threats, not the general gaming community.
Finally, it ends saying that all the "trolling" is in fact harmless one-off occurrences because she says stupid shit on the internet. Yes, one off occurrences. That's why hyper defensive people such as yourself are, a year after the kickstarter campaign was funded (your words), are still making hilariously cheap and completely ineffectual videos attacking her character and project.
I wonder when these dumb videos will stop being made. They have to have realized by now that their massive campaign of vitriol and hate only served to make Sarkeesian and her cause much more popular.
[editline]4th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40526767]Why are people treating this video like it's a response to Anita's original point about portrayal of women in video game's stories? It's not.
He's just criticizing her for her conspiracy theory that the entire gaming community has organized against her and the negative comments are proof of that and that the entire gaming community wants to "maintain the status quo of video games as a male dominated space, etc". That's the only point of this video. It's pretty ironic that people say that "he missed the point".[/QUOTE]
She never said entire gaming community. She said a "section of male gamers". You should probably watch the videos you want to defend before rushing to their defense and imply that other people are missing the point.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40526820]
She never said entire gaming community. She said a "section of male gamers". You should probably watch the videos you want to defend before rushing to their defense and imply that other people are missing the point.[/QUOTE]
I never said that she said "entire gaming community". But she does makes it look like the gaming community is after her. And even if she would say "a very small section of gaming community" it still doesn't even affect what I said.
This is not a reply to her original point. Looking at this video that way will always be... missing the point.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40526767]Why are people treating this video like it's a response to Anita's original point about portrayal of women in video game's stories? It's not.
He's just criticizing her for her conspiracy theory that the entire gaming community has organized against her and the negative comments are proof of that and that the entire gaming community wants to "maintain the status quo of video games as a male dominated space, etc". That's the only point of this video. It's pretty ironic that people say that "he missed the point".[/QUOTE]
he missed the point because she never said, nor implied, there was some conspiracy against her.
[editline]4th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40526940]I never said that she said "entire gaming community".[/QUOTE]
"He's just criticizing her for her conspiracy theory that the entire gaming community has organized against her"
good job forgetting your words lol
[QUOTE=Bloodshot12;40525439]Yay UT99[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40526940]I never said that she said "entire gaming community". But she does makes it look like the gaming community is after her. And even if she would say "a very small section of gaming community" it still doesn't even affect what I said.
This is not a reply to her original point. Looking at this video that way will always be... missing the point.[/QUOTE]
It still focuses on her original project in the beginning by whining about how much money she made, how slow the videos are coming out, and the hilarious idea that they aren't up to his low-quality rants. Then it starts talking about how the gaming community in general isn't out to get her, something she never even said. He's arguing against a strawman to try and make her seem ridiculous and fringe.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40526945]he missed the point because she never said, nor implied, there was some conspiracy against her.[/QUOTE]
"I was attacked by section of male gamers and I think part of the attack was based on their attempt to maintain the status quo of video games as a male dominated space and all the privileges and entitlements that come with an unquestioned boy's club."
"So in their minds they conducted this grand fiction in which they are the heroic players of a massively multiplayer online game working together to take down an enemy and apparently they casted me in the role of the villain."
[editline]4th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40526945]good job forgetting your words lol[/QUOTE]
Quote me when I said she said "entire" lol.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40527007]It still focuses on her original project in the beginning by whining about how much money she made, how slow the videos are coming out, and the hilarious idea that they aren't up to his low-quality rants. Then it starts talking about how the gaming community in general isn't out to get her, something she never even said. He's arguing against a strawman to try and make her seem ridiculous and fringe.[/QUOTE]
I don't disagree that the critique of the kickstarter or how she makes her videos is pretty dumb. I'm just saying, he's not addressing her original point about portrayal of women in game's stories. He's only criticizing her for saying that (part of) the community has organized after her and that their agenda is to maintain "status quo of video games as a male dominated space", and for taking the backlash as proof of that.
video games sure are serious business.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40527033]"I was attacked by section of male gamers and I think part of the attack was based on their attempt to maintain the status quo of video games as a male dominated space and all the privileges and entitlements that come with an unquestioned boy's club."
"So in their minds they conducted this grand fiction in which they are the heroic players of a massively multiplayer online game working together to take down an enemy and apparently they casted me in the role of the villain."
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alright where in that does it say or imply "conspiracy" or does it imply "the entire gaming community"?
it's ok, i can wait.
[editline]4th May 2013[/editline]
this video has no coherence. the whole thesis of the video is shaky and hard to understand. maybe he should have spent more than 2 days making a "rebuttal".
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40527103]alright where in that does it say or imply "conspiracy" or does it imply "the entire gaming community"?
it's ok, i can wait.[/QUOTE]
They are working together to take her down? She thinks "they" (as in the community or at the very least a section of it) organized against her.
[editline]4th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40527103]this video has no coherence. the whole thesis of the video is shaky and hard to understand. maybe he should have spent more than 2 days making a "rebuttal".[/QUOTE]
Because it's not a rebuttal?
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40527033]I don't disagree that the critique of the kickstarter or how she makes her videos is pretty dumb. I'm just saying, he's not addressing her original point about portrayal of women in game's stories. He's only criticizing her for saying that (part of) the community has organized after her and that their agenda is to maintain "status quo of video games as a male dominated space", and for taking the backlash as proof of that.[/QUOTE]
It seems like a reasonable conclusion to make. If I said that I thought the female gender gets a bad wrap in video games as a medium and then get called a cunt and receive rape threats, I'd probably have to say that there is a movement, at the very least a small one, within the video games community that is trying to bully me into silence. I've always been of the idea, ever since this fake controversy started, she inadvertantly proved another thesis with how absolutely horrible some people can be on the internet.
[QUOTE=GhostOfSide3;40527086]video games sure are serious business.[/QUOTE]
At the end of the day it should just have been a feminist making an entirely harmless and possibly even illuminating series of videos about how 51% of the population are portrayed in video games in terms of gender.
Instead, thanks to people like thunderf00t and other angry young males with access to anonymity and the internet, her popularity ballooned so much that she gives talks at TED, interviews on CNN, and is taken seriously by publishers like EA.
Good job MRA's/needlessly resentful gamers.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40527135]
Because it's not a rebuttal?[/QUOTE]
it doesn't have a point, either.
[editline]4th May 2013[/editline]
like there is no main idea other than "i played games once and it was fun therefore her complaints r invalid"
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40527162]It seems like a reasonable conclusion to make. If I said that I thought the female gender gets a bad wrap in video games as a medium and then get called a cunt and receive rape threats, I'd probably have to say that there is a movement, at the very least a small one, within the video games community that is trying to bully me into silence.[/QUOTE]
No, it's a very stupid conclusion to make. If you want to follow that logic then all the 9/11, boston bombing, illuminati, holocaust deniers and reptilian conspiracy nuts have proof that they are right because they are being bullied into silence.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40527162] I've always been of the idea, ever since this fake controversy started, she inadvertantly proved another thesis with how absolutely horrible some people can be on the internet.
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That goes without saying.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40527184]it doesn't have a point, either.
like there is no main idea other than "i played games once and it was fun therefore her complaints r invalid"[/QUOTE]
The only point he has in this video is calling bullshit on saying that the gaming community has organized against her and the logic that when you get called out on something it means you are right. Which is imo unworthy of a video, let alone 9 minute long one. Also counting the annoying drama, smuginess and condescending tone...
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40527214] The only point he has in this video is calling bullshit on saying that the gaming community has organized against her and the logic that when you get called out on something it means you are right. Which is imo unworthy of a video, let alone 9 minute long one. Also counting the annoying drama, smuginess and condescending tone...[/QUOTE]
But, she didn't say that the gaming community organized against her, she said a section of male gamers.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40527214]No, it's a very stupid conclusion to make. If you want to follow that logic then all the 9/11, boston bombing, illuminati, holocaust deniers and reptilian conspiracy nuts have proof that they are right because they are being bullied into silence.
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That's not following my logic, that's making a 90 degree detour away from it. Saying that a subsection of a community is a bunch of misogynistic assholes because they are acting like misogynistic assholes is far different from saying that because someone called you an idiot on your "9/11 was caused by Reptilian-Obama" means that your crazy conspiracy theories are suddenly true.
[QUOTE=Jackald;40527402]I've said it before and i'll say it again:
- Video game companies want money.
- There are more men who play console and pc games than women.
- Video game companies want to appeal to the biggest audience possible.
- Video game companies thus try to appeal to men more than women.
It's not part of some great big international conspiracy, it's just that video game companies want to make money.
Technically if you take social and mobile phone games into consideration, there's a female majority, yes, but if you look at console and PC players it's slightly more men than women.
Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is neither here nor there; the reason why video game companies target men is because they want money. They aren't being inherently evil, they just want money, and the target audience want fun games.[/QUOTE]
Everyone knows that game companies want to make money, that isn't the point of any of this.
Would you say that same statement to someone who was criticizing the CoD series for being bland and generic?
The point of the videos like Sarkeesian's is to bring light to some of the issues in order to get people to want those issues to be dealt with.
[QUOTE=Valnar;40527344]But, she didn't say that the gaming community organized against her, she said a section of male gamers.[/QUOTE]
It's a stupid, safe way of social engineering. I could say that "part of the internet wants to kill me" after I got few replies on youtube saying "you deserve to die for this" after uploading a really shitty video. The statement is always true, it only says "part". Now how big the "part" or "section" supposedly is will be determined from context.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40527366]That's not following my logic, that's making a 90 degree detour away from it. Saying that a subsection of a community is a bunch of misogynistic assholes because they are acting like misogynistic assholes is far different from saying that because someone called you an idiot on your "9/11 was caused by Reptilian-Obama" means that your crazy conspiracy theories are suddenly true.[/QUOTE]
He called bullshit on taking backlash as proof of your theory because "people are trying to silence you" or whatever. That's all he did. And I agree with that.
There's no mention that those threatening to rape her aren't misogynistic assholes.
[QUOTE=Jackald;40527402]I've said it before and i'll say it again:
- Video game companies want money.
- There are more men who play console and pc games than women.
- Video game companies want to appeal to the biggest audience possible.
- Video game companies thus try to appeal to men more than women.
It's not part of some great big international conspiracy, it's just that video game companies want to make money.
Technically if you take social and mobile phone games into consideration, there's a female majority, yes, but if you look at console and PC players it's slightly more men than women.
Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is neither here nor there; the reason why video game companies target men is because they want money. They aren't being inherently evil, they just want money, and the target audience want fun games.[/QUOTE]
Well duh, no big executive somewhere is sitting in a huge chair with a cat on his lap, rubbing his hands together, smoking a cigar and exclaiming "I LOVE oppressing women!" No one oppresses or creates biased media just for the sake of being evil. They do it because of societal pressures and expectations that dictate how the industry functions. Yes, publishers want games aimed toward men, but has it occurred to you that maybe the reason more men play games is because publishers only make games aimed at men? It's a self-perpetuating issue.
The purpose of this argument isn't to vilify corporations as bad guys that hate women, but rather to point out the gears that are chugging throughout society that create these problems in the first place. We have to recognize that there is a problem in order to solve it.
I find her to be very amusing. The ignorant stuff she says makes me laugh.
Anita is gonna be nothing in like a year or 2.
Nothing she says is important and tries to make it seem like companys and developers are trying to keep girls out of gaming and that they are only marketed to men like its some scheme, when its not, games are for everyone.
She also is getting idiots and flamers on the internet, shit you would get from anything anywhere, to harass her with baiting, and then uses this for her own personal gain.
She still has never made her point of what she wants out of any of these videos.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40527455]
He called bullshit on taking backlash as proof of your theory because "people are trying to silence you" or whatever. That's all he did. And I agree with that.
There's no mention that those threatening to rape her aren't misogynistic assholes.[/QUOTE]
The goal of bullying is to make the target seem powerless. It's a logical progression.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40527605]The goal of bullying is to make the target seem powerless. It's a logical progression.[/QUOTE]
What is your point? If your point is that bulling for accusations proves the accusations right, then again... "reptilion obama" or whatever nuts are being silenced and that's proof they're on to something.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40527595]Anita is gonna be nothing in like a year or 2.[/QUOTE]
If people stopped making these videos she would have left the general consciousness awhile ago and the only people that followed her would be her backers and previous supporters.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40527595]Nothing she says is important and tries to make it seem like companys and developers are trying to keep girls out of gaming and that they are only marketed to men like its some scheme, when its not, games are for everyone.[/QUOTE]
It's clearly important to enough people to garner massive financial and popular support, and her point was never that publishers and developers are consciously trying to keep women out of gaming.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40527595]She still has never made her point of what she wants out of any of these videos.[/QUOTE]
Her first (and so far only) video in her kickstarted series is pretty decent, I suggest watching it if you want to see a more formal explanation of her positions. This is coming from someone who has criticized her methodology in the past.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40527635]If people stopped making these videos she would have left the general consciousness awhile ago and the only people that followed her would be her backers and previous supporters.
It's clearly important to enough people to garner massive financial and popular support, and her point was never that publishers and developers are consciously trying to keep women out of gaming.
Her first (and so far only) video in her kickstarted series is pretty decent, I suggest watching it if you want to see a more formal explanation of her positions. This is coming from someone who has criticized her methodology in the past.[/QUOTE]
I watched her video, it was pretty terrible and she still has not made her point.
Also you forget how retarded the internet is when it comes to donating money to random shit, especially when its some controversial and people want to make a "difference"
Look at Kony 2012 shit, look at the Ouya, getting money really doesnt mean anything.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;40527631]What is your point? If your point is that bulling for accusations proves the accusations right, then again... "reptilion obama" or whatever nuts are being silenced and that's proof they're on to something.[/QUOTE]
Except she is specifically targeting a group of people who are doing the bullying, and then when they bully her, she says they are being bullies. Your logic is that because a person thinks Obama is a reptile, bullies attack that person, so obviously Obama is a reptile because someone on the internet disagrees. These are two entirely different scenarios that you are saying are related because bullies are involved.
[editline]4th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40527663]I watched her video, it was pretty terrible and she still has not made her point.[/QUOTE]
You're argument is terrible.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40527666]Except she is specifically targeting a group of people who are doing the bullying, and then when they bully her, she says they are being bullies. Your logic is that because a person thinks Obama is a reptile, bullies attack that person, so obviously Obama is a reptile because someone on the internet disagrees. These are two entirely different scenarios that you are saying are related because bullies are involved.
[editline]4th May 2013[/editline]
You're argument is terrible.[/QUOTE]
Not making an argument, I was telling you I did watch it, she doesnt have a point, still dont get what shes trying do with these videos.
She nitpicked very exclusive examples to back up her claims, yet leaves out everything else, by doing this and only focusing on some specific details it makes it seem like thats all there is, she has tunnel vision, and its bad.
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