[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;40530023]But that's a terrible idea.
If she already has a thesis then she must have already done the required research. You don't say that violent movies make people violent, get the funding to write a book about it, and then start watching movies for the first time. You do that beforehand, that's how you get your thesis in the first place.
And even then you only talk about what's relevant to the subject. If you want to talk about racial stereotypes in film you talk about Breakfast at Tiffany's, not Clones of Bruce Lee. You narrow your focus for a reason, because all you're trying to do is demonstrate something.
Playing every possibly sexist game ever made is a silly thing to do.[/QUOTE]
idk bring it up with her maybe it's a terrible idea.
but i still think she is honestly not just fucking around, she does have a lot of work to do.
[editline]5th May 2013[/editline]
and this is mostly a comment on the actual production value and time on the series. i'm not trying to make any statements about the quality of her analysis.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40530037]idk bring it up with her maybe it's a terrible idea.
but i still think she is honestly not just fucking around, she does have a lot of work to do.[/QUOTE]
I can't wait to hear her thoughts on Baldur's Gate 2 then. Maybe when she gets to it and starts explaining what stereotypes are in it she can also explain what THAC0 is.
[editline]5th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40530037]and this is mostly a comment on the actual production value and time on the series. i'm not trying to make any statements about the quality of her analysis.[/QUOTE]
If you want to talk about the quality of her analysis I'd be totally up for that.
At least that subject has the illusion of not being a completely vapid and pointless topic.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40529058]What male illuminati?[/QUOTE]
The patriarchy, AKA the illuminati with a big wooden sign that says "no girls allowed" on the door.
[QUOTE=Tweevle;40529968]What could she realistically have done to improve production values further, anyway? She could have filled the video with green-screen and special effects, but they wouldn't have added anything. At the end of the day it's a video series informing people about how tropes are used in video games, there's only so much you can do with the format, regardless of how much money people have given you.[/QUOTE]
Dont get people whining over production, only real valid complaint is the amount of time its taking for the series to be made.
Took what, a year for the first? Thats a little retarded for a 12 minute video.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40530885]Dont get people whining over production, only real valid complaint is the amount of time its taking for the series to be made.
Took what, a year for the first? Thats a little retarded for a 12 minute video.[/QUOTE]
Especially because it's a 23 minute video.
[QUOTE=minilandstan;40530863]The patriarchy, AKA the illuminati with a big wooden sign that says "no girls allowed" on the door.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes that's what the patriarchy is, I had it all wrong all along.
[QUOTE=Winters;40531772]Ah yes that's what the patriarchy is, I had it all wrong all along.[/QUOTE]
It's not like women get special treatment within society that benefits them and it's not like feminists want to maintain these privileges.
:v:
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;40532795]It's not like women get special treatment within society that benefits them and it's not like feminists want to maintain these privileges.
:v:[/QUOTE]
yea fuck the matriarchy!!1
[QUOTE=yawmwen;40533520]matriarchy!!1[/QUOTE]
That explains why all the agent smith's are men.
[QUOTE=Winters;40531772]Ah yes that's what the patriarchy is, I had it all wrong all along.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you finally see the light.
Why do people still defend Anita? It took her a year to make a 8 minute long video when she got millions to do this series. Before you go "Oh but she didn't ask for the money!" ask yourself this, do you really need $150,000 to list tropes present in modern games? What makes this series so different from her other videos that did the same thing? You can't even argue she needed the money to buy the games because one of the main pictures on the kickstarter page was her with all of her games. Going by her older videos it looks like she just judges the game based on the cover and doesn't even play it. So why support her?
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;40536363]Why do people still defend Anita? It took her a year to make a 8 minute long video when she got millions to do this series. Before you go "Oh but she didn't ask for the money!" ask yourself this, do you really need $150,000 to list tropes present in modern games?[/QUOTE]
The original goal of her kickstarter was 8k, not 150k.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40530885]Dont get people whining over production, only real valid complaint is the amount of time its taking for the series to be made.
Took what, a year for the first? Thats a little retarded for a 12 minute video.[/QUOTE]
and she was supposed to be done with the entire thing and ship dvds to everyone who backed her kickstarter in august of 2012.
[img]http://media.tumblr.com/691f7f865116e687fccb54b9ba4559ed/tumblr_inline_misnozhJOu1qz4rgp.png[/img]
and ignored people who emailed her about it privately on kickstarter. trying to contact her about it on twitter got you blocked.
[editline]5th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40536421]The original goal of her kickstarter was 8k, not 150k.[/QUOTE]
one of her goals was 20k to "bump up production quality"
[img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/b56c6f862507d6ae47b4a0217151f7c6/tumblr_mjhdah0mXG1s65neno1_1280.jpg[/img]
if she's not putting the excess funds to use like she promised then where is it going?
people didnt back the project to pay her rent or grocery shopping you know
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;40536363]Why do people still defend Anita? It took her a year to make a 8 minute long video when she got millions to do this series. Before you go "Oh but she didn't ask for the money!" ask yourself this, do you really need $150,000 to list tropes present in modern games? What makes this series so different from her other videos that did the same thing? You can't even argue she needed the money to buy the games because one of the main pictures on the kickstarter page was her with all of her games. Going by her older videos it looks like she just judges the game based on the cover and doesn't even play it. So why support her?[/QUOTE]
Why are people having a huge uproar over an critique directed at the industry? It's not even directed at you guys at all.
The purpose of her videos is to encourage others to create a variety of fiction. I see people complaining about grim shooters all the time, but they do little to amend the issue since they refuse others to criticize it.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;40538946]Why are people having a huge uproar over an critique directed at the industry? It's not even directed at you guys at all.
The purpose of her videos is to encourage others to create a variety of fiction. I see people complaining about grim shooters all the time, but they do little to amend the issue since they refuse others to criticize it.[/QUOTE]
You say shes encouraging it yet has shown no examples on how, and I dont think she has any knowledge of how.
So its the same exact thing of people crying over grim shooters always being the same.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;40537155]and she was supposed to be done with the entire thing and ship dvds to everyone who backed her kickstarter in august of 2012.
and ignored people who emailed her about it privately on kickstarter. trying to contact her about it on twitter got you blocked.[/QUOTE]
The DVD's were supposed to go out by December, the picture you linked just mentions high-res versions. The wording on both goals is strange and could imply that you simply get the downloads as each video is made rather than finishing the entire series in a matter of months. Though it is strange that she would put down dates like August and December 2012 when the first video wasn't even produced until March.
I'd check these claims about people getting blocked for simple inquiries if I had a Twitter/Kickstarter account but alas I don't. Does anyone know a backer who could come forward that maybe has more pull on getting information to see what is taking so long?
[QUOTE]if she's not putting the excess funds to use like she promised then where is it going?
people didnt back the project to pay her rent or grocery shopping you know[/QUOTE]
Do you have evidence that she is doing this?
[editline]5th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;40539357]You say shes encouraging it yet has shown no examples on how, and I dont think she has any knowledge of how.
So its the same exact thing of people crying over grim shooters always being the same.[/QUOTE]
She is pointing out examples of lazy/easy writing from a feminist point of view, and hopefully at some point pointing out examples that counter these tropes.
Honestly though this has been said several times and your reply here basically amounts to "I don't get it" so I don't really think I can convince you of anything.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40539360]The DVD's were supposed to go out by December, the picture you linked just mentions high-res versions. The wording on both goals is strange and could imply that you simply get the downloads as each video is made rather than finishing the entire series in a matter of months. Though it is strange that she would put down dates like August and December 2012 when the first video wasn't even produced until March.
I'd check these claims about people getting blocked for simple inquiries if I had a Twitter/Kickstarter account but alas I don't. Does anyone know a backer who could come forward that maybe has more pull on getting information to see what is taking so long?
Do you have evidence that she is doing this?
[editline]5th May 2013[/editline]
She is pointing out examples of lazy/easy writing from a feminist point of view, and hopefully at some point pointing out examples that counter these tropes.
Honestly though this has been said several times and your reply here basically amounts to "I don't get it" so I don't really think I can convince you of anything.[/QUOTE]
Yet she never pointed out how in her damsel in distress video, so she was saying its a problem and wants more creative writing, yet doenst give examples how.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40539360]
I'd check these claims about people getting blocked for simple inquiries if I had a Twitter/Kickstarter account but alas I don't. Does anyone know a backer who could come forward that maybe has more pull on getting information to see what is taking so long? [/QUOTE]
thats actually where i got all my info. this was even linked on the front page and im surprised not enough people have seen it:
[url]http://leopirate.com/post/44004741869/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games-a-backers-perspective[/url]
heres a video
[url]http://leopirate.com/post/44108828302/tropes-vs-women-in-video-games-a-backers[/url]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kHOn1UsWao[/media]
I think the creator of the video forgot what she was arguing about, she never argued about how the gaming community needs to change philosophy, she argued that the role of women in video games are portrayed in a sexist manner and women should have equal display and roles like men do instead of being bikini wearing sex symbols with guns.
I usually don't weigh in on these threads because they're extremely silly. On both sides. Anita's point is incredibly awful and usually the OP's video doesn't really focus on the point. He brought up some good arguments but didn't point out the fact that Anita is wrong.
The title of her whole series should give away the fact that she has no idea what she's talking about:
"Tropes are devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. On the whole, tropes are not clichés. The word clichéd means "stereotyped and trite." In other words, dull and uninteresting. We are not looking for dull and uninteresting entries. We are here to recognize tropes and play with them, not to make fun of them."
Considering how much of her information she probably gets from TVTropes, it's kinda sad that she doesn't realize tropes aren't meant to be law. They're meant to be tools.
True love is a decent motivator right? I mean, I'd say I loved my last girlfriend. I rode 2 miles to see her and 2 miles to get back to my house on my bike every single day for the school year. That's about 500 or so miles to go see her. I realize it's not all in one day but that's still a pretty hefty distance.
As someone who can understand this force, when someone plays the "Damsel In Distress" trope, it doesn't make sense to me cause "Grr I'm a man and that silly woman can't save herself!" It makes sense to me cause I think "Wow, if someone I loved was in that position, I'd probably do the same thing!"
That's why writers put tropes in their work. It's not to get a rise or to set a standard or to express a view. It's a tool to convey a point. Whether it's motivation or story doesn't matter. A writer can assume that I, as a normal person, can relate to the character that's playing that trope.
I respect what Anita is fighting for. I mean, in SOME ways, women aren't equal to men. Sometimes it's unfair, sometimes that's just how things have been done. But in this respect, she's completely wrong. As far as I'm concerned, in video games, it doesn't matter if a character is a male, female or of any race, nationality, creed or background. I just want to play and experience the game.
Sure there aren't a lot of "strong, female protagonists" but that isn't in an attempt to oppress women. That's because, in some cases, it doesn't make sense to have a female protagonist. Or, more simply, that's not the story I want to tell.
If I wanted to tell a story about a man saving a woman... That's what I'd tell. I wouldn't switch it to a woman just to pander too an audience. I'd write the story I want to tell.
Oh well. That's just how I feel about all of this. The feminist movement makes SOME arguments in SOME respects but at other times, they're flat out wrong. Anita is just trying to get money, attention or publicity and found the best possible audience to get that from. I think it's silly to accuse someone of being a "professional victim" but she's definitely trying to get a rise out of the community so she could play a [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlayingTheVictimCard]trope of her own.[/url]
[QUOTE=TheJoey;40540076]thats actually where i got all my info. this was even linked on the front page and im surprised not enough people have seen it:
[/QUOTE]
I guess I'll have to take his word for getting stonewalled before his twitter attempt but it's pretty obvious why he was blocked there. He posted pictures of a backer update she wanted to keep private. I'd want more convincing evidence before damning her publicly. You'd think that if backers were kept waiting this long there would be more of an outcry and maybe gaming news websites would pick up the story and run it.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;40537155]and she was supposed to be done with the entire thing and ship dvds to everyone who backed her kickstarter in august of 2012.
[img]http://media.tumblr.com/691f7f865116e687fccb54b9ba4559ed/tumblr_inline_misnozhJOu1qz4rgp.png[/img]
and ignored people who emailed her about it privately on kickstarter. trying to contact her about it on twitter got you blocked.
[editline]5th May 2013[/editline]
one of her goals was 20k to "bump up production quality"
[img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/b56c6f862507d6ae47b4a0217151f7c6/tumblr_mjhdah0mXG1s65neno1_1280.jpg[/img]
if she's not putting the excess funds to use like she promised then where is it going?
people didnt back the project to pay her rent or grocery shopping you know[/QUOTE]
you are not one of those people, it's none of your business
It's also weird that he found problems with her methodology and even goes so far as to claim fraudulent portrayals of her character then proceed to fund $25.
My reservations from her previous works were enough for me not to consider funding, though the damsel in distress video itself was pretty decent and I'm looking forward to more from that series.
there's really no problem with attempting to refute what anita is saying in a literate and well thought out way. the problem is the people that simply see the fact she is bringing up the issue at all and immediately dismissing her, calling her a dumb cunt or what have you. also people like our very own hooded sniper and sillysil who attack her personally and are incredibly defensive and clearly are not listening to what she is saying and reject the idea of women's rights as a whole are a part of the problem.
taking apart her videos based on technicalities like "how much money she got" is purely semantics and clearly more an attack on her character as opposed to a legitimate debate against what she has to SAY. don't do this. watch her videos, know what she is really about, and have a legitimately open mind, and then give it another shot. beyond that, read the "onereasonwhy" tag on twitter, and the other sources cited in LeoPirates' video to know where anita is coming from as well as everyone else on the other side of the issue.
finally, the endgame here is (and this is what leopirate doesn't "get") that anita is discussing this issue, and that alone justifies everything she has done. arguing that it "eclipses" "legitimate" issues of misogyny, etc in gaming is silly, as for the most part many gamers shoot the idea down or try to ignore/debase it completely regardless (as seen in this thread).
fact: unless you put money into her project, you have NO justification for whining about ANYTHING she has actually done.
[editline]5th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Raidyr;40541097]It's also weird that he found problems with her methodology and even goes so far as to claim fraudulent portrayals of her character then proceed to fund $25.
My reservations from her previous works were enough for me not to consider funding, though the damsel in distress video itself was pretty decent and I'm looking forward to more from that series.[/QUOTE]
it appears he funded first and just "had his hopes up". I still think he is wrong (in the crux of his argument) and that if he saw that final point the same way I do that he would change his tune.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;40540957]I usually don't weigh in on these threads because they're extremely silly.[/quote]
Please don't feel obliged to do so again.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;40540957]On both sides. Anita's point is incredibly awful and usually the OP's video doesn't really focus on the point. He brought up some good arguments but didn't point out the fact that Anita is wrong.
The title of her whole series should give away the fact that she has no idea what she's talking about:
"Tropes are devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. On the whole, tropes are not clichés. The word clichéd means "stereotyped and trite." In other words, dull and uninteresting. We are not looking for dull and uninteresting entries. We are here to recognize tropes and play with them, not to make fun of them."
Considering how much of her information she probably gets from TVTropes, it's kinda sad that she doesn't realize tropes aren't meant to be law. They're meant to be tools.[/quote]
That's TVTropes definition of a trope, which is totally irrelevant, they're only using it so they don't have a site full of boring stuff. But the damsel in distress is a trope, stereotyped, cliche, whatever you want to call it, and not a good one.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;40540957]True love is a decent motivator right? I mean, I'd say I loved my last girlfriend. I rode 2 miles to see her and 2 miles to get back to my house on my bike every single day for the school year. That's about 500 or so miles to go see her. I realize it's not all in one day but that's still a pretty hefty distance.
As someone who can understand this force, when someone plays the "Damsel In Distress" trope, it doesn't make sense to me cause "Grr I'm a man and that silly woman can't save herself!" It makes sense to me cause I think "Wow, if someone I loved was in that position, I'd probably do the same thing!"[/QUOTE]
The trope isn't used to demostrate love, love is used to justify the trope. You even called it a motivator yourself. Plus it's not always love, there are plenty of other justifications the trope gets when it's trotted out.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;40540957]If I wanted to tell a story about a man saving a woman... That's what I'd tell. I wouldn't switch it to a woman just to pander too an audience. I'd write the story I want to tell.[/quote]
and if that's the extent of the story, then i'd just pack in the writing career right then
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;40540957]Anita is just trying to get money, attention or publicity and found the best possible audience to get that from. I think it's silly to accuse someone of being a "professional victim" but she's definitely trying to get a rise out of the community so she could play a trope of her own.[/QUOTE]
and do you have any evidence to that effect?
[QUOTE=RoadOfGirl;40541199]fact: unless you put money into her project, you have NO justification for whining about ANYTHING she has actually done.[/QUOTE]
Fact: Unless you put money into a project, you can't point out how flawed or slow-moving it is. I think it's fair game for people to ask, those who donated and those passively curious, as to where $150,000+ went.
As for the topic at hand. Misogyny in video games? Please. You're juggling two realms: 'media' and 'social interaction.' To say that video games are the penultimate perpetrators and offenders of depicting women poorly would be the equivalent of tossing out every other form of 'media' we can offer. Movies. Television. Magazines. Books. Music. Every single actor and character depicted as a slightly offensive stereotype of their sex. And it occurs for both genders, go figure. Women may get it worse, and I won't argue to any length there, but they're not the sole victims.
Then you have social interaction. Gamers talking to each other. People going "oh my god gurl gamer" and the like. People. Welcome to people. Welcome to walking into a room filled, packed, with the opposite sex and not expecting unusual/poor/different treatment. Is it a bad thing? Yes. Is it bad that women who don't flaunt and straddle their gender get demeaned or treated differently when they really don't want to? Yes. Is that something that will be fixed by a few YouTube documentaries? Get back to me on that when Call of Duty becomes a respectable place for conversation. Women can get by or even strive in gaming communities without using their gender as some means to an end. That usually takes a small community and time, however, and is rarely ever accomplished by walking into a room full of strangers.
So unless I've totally fucked up, there are the two prongs to our problem. They're a problem. They exist. How you fix them is such a complicated, intricate, enigma-in-a-mystery-in-a-riddle that they won't be solved by jumping up and down to the tunes of crying out about the portrayal of genders in a damn video game. I don't want to go strawman, but you can't simply drop a laundry list of games that have saving/getting women as an objective and go "Hmph." How many romantic and action movies have I suffered that sing the same tune? As for the other realm of gamers and their odd social lives - go figure. It's a smidge like middle or high school. People are immature, inglorious little fucktards. While it is a problem, it's rather easy to make due as the rest of us: by avoiding said people. In a small little Team Fortress 2 community I was a part of, years past, the women who hung out with us simply avoided or blocked communications with those pestering them due to differences in plumbing. If it got more abrasive, they got the same treatment as our male members - that they'd safe from pester as our admins would simply mute/kick/ban offending players after a warning or two. The same can, and does, happen in other communities. Unfortunately, the ones that get the limelight are the screaming, foul children that pollute the masses. Loudest ones get the attention, but to say that they're a serious problem is to decry major religions or nations and hold them accountable for fanatics and nutters; instead of the more reserved individuals.
Sorry if that was a bit ranty. :v:
[QUOTE=Hellduck;40541368]Please don't feel obliged to do so again.
That's TVTropes definition of a trope, which is totally irrelevant, they're only using it so they don't have a site full of boring stuff. But the damsel in distress is a trope, stereotyped, cliche, whatever you want to call it, and not a good one.
The trope isn't used to demostrate love, love is used to justify the trope. You even called it a motivator yourself. Plus it's not always love, there are plenty of other justifications the trope gets when it's trotted out.
and if that's the extent of the story, then i'd just pack in the writing career right then
and do you have any evidence to that effect?[/QUOTE]
Well I forget I'm on the older edge of the Facepunch spectrum now so I might have to :v:
A trope is a trope. You're right, words only have the meanings we assign them so if we're gonna argue semantics, what's the point of even discussing this? Haha.
If I said the trope was used to demonstrate love, I mis-worded that. It's a motivator... There's no more to it. It's not "man's attempt at keeping women down" or whatever bullshit Anita argues.
Plenty of fairy tales, videos games and stories can be boiled down to: It's about a hero saving a damsel in distress. Deal with it. Just cause a story spans four hundred pages doesn't mean it has to have a super complex story, motivation or reasoning.
I watch her videos.
i like how in his first video he points out how physically men are stronger than women...
it's just funny to me when femminists want everything to be perfectly equal when we weren't even created equal in the first place.
also they wouldn't want a truly equal world. chivalry and general kissing of female ass would cease to exist. once they lose the power of the pussy they then dun realized they fucked up.
it's a god damn balance, it's never going to be equal. no sex is better than the other, but we are different enough that shit just has to be the way it is. i'm not saying it couldn't be better though.
but going after video games objectifying women? i mean come on. what medium doesn't? also the gaming industry's consumers are mostly male. if a market is mostly male guess who they're going to cater to? and even then the market has been becoming rapidly more gender friendly in the past decade or so.
[editline]6th May 2013[/editline]
like, what she's saying doesn't make fucking sense at all. she thinks that an industry is a fucking little social club.
IT'S NOT, IT'S A GOD DAMN DEMOGRAPHIC, AND IF MORE GIRLS PLAYED VIDEO GAMES THEY'D BE MORE APART OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC TOO
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;40545096]
it's just funny to me when femminists want everything to be perfectly equal when we weren't even created equal in the first place.
also they wouldn't want a truly equal world. chivalry and general kissing of female ass would cease to exist. once they lose the power of the pussy they then dun realized they fucked up.
[/QUOTE]
feminists arent the only thing who want things to be equal, civil rights people wanted things to be equal too even tho plenty of people said that black people werent created equally in the first place.
plus we werent even "created" in the first place, and feminists want equality in representation, wages, and rights. what we were created as bears 0 importance.
and power of the pussy basically implies that women need to use their sexuality or else they'll realise they "fucked up" somehow? what about women that are sexually unattractive?
thats genuinely sexist dude
[QUOTE=thisispain;40545121]and power of the pussy basically implies that women need to use their sexuality or else they'll realise they "fucked up" somehow? what about women that are sexually unattractive?
thats genuinely sexist dude[/QUOTE]
Women who are too sexual aren’t taken seriously, and women who aren’t sexual enough aren’t taken seriously. Women who are conventionally attractive get valued solely for their sexual appeal; women who aren’t conventionally attractive get dismissed for their lack of it. Women who are conventionally attractive are assumed to be dumb bimbos; women who aren’t conventionally attractive are assumed to be either bitter or desperate. Women who are conventionally attractive get trivialized; women who aren’t conventionally attractive get treated with pity and contempt.
[editline]6th May 2013[/editline]
(I'm hoping this might open somebody's eyes about feminism out there, but maybe that's too much hope)
[QUOTE=Doom14;40544382]Fact: Unless you put money into a project, you can't point out how flawed or slow-moving it is. I think it's fair game for people to ask, those who donated and those passively curious, as to where $150,000+ went.
As for the topic at hand. Misogyny in video games? Please. You're juggling two realms: 'media' and 'social interaction.' To say that video games are the penultimate perpetrators and offenders of depicting women poorly would be the equivalent of tossing out every other form of 'media' we can offer. Movies. Television. Magazines. Books. Music. Every single actor and character depicted as a slightly offensive stereotype of their sex. And it occurs for both genders, go figure. Women may get it worse, and I won't argue to any length there, but they're not the sole victims.
Then you have social interaction. Gamers talking to each other. People going "oh my god gurl gamer" and the like. People. Welcome to people. Welcome to walking into a room filled, packed, with the opposite sex and not expecting unusual/poor/different treatment. Is it a bad thing? Yes. Is it bad that women who don't flaunt and straddle their gender get demeaned or treated differently when they really don't want to? Yes. Is that something that will be fixed by a few YouTube documentaries? Get back to me on that when Call of Duty becomes a respectable place for conversation. Women can get by or even strive in gaming communities without using their gender as some means to an end. That usually takes a small community and time, however, and is rarely ever accomplished by walking into a room full of strangers.
So unless I've totally fucked up, there are the two prongs to our problem. They're a problem. They exist. How you fix them is such a complicated, intricate, enigma-in-a-mystery-in-a-riddle that they won't be solved by jumping up and down to the tunes of crying out about the portrayal of genders in a damn video game. I don't want to go strawman, but you can't simply drop a laundry list of games that have saving/getting women as an objective and go "Hmph." How many romantic and action movies have I suffered that sing the same tune? As for the other realm of gamers and their odd social lives - go figure. It's a smidge like middle or high school. People are immature, inglorious little fucktards. While it is a problem, it's rather easy to make due as the rest of us: by avoiding said people. In a small little Team Fortress 2 community I was a part of, years past, the women who hung out with us simply avoided or blocked communications with those pestering them due to differences in plumbing. If it got more abrasive, they got the same treatment as our male members - that they'd safe from pester as our admins would simply mute/kick/ban offending players after a warning or two. The same can, and does, happen in other communities. Unfortunately, the ones that get the limelight are the screaming, foul children that pollute the masses. Loudest ones get the attention, but to say that they're a serious problem is to decry major religions or nations and hold them accountable for fanatics and nutters; instead of the more reserved individuals.
Sorry if that was a bit ranty. :v:[/QUOTE]
feel free to "point it out" but you're out of your mind if you don't find the sort of bullshit armchair analysis people do of "WHERE DID THE MONEY GO IT COULDNT HAVE GONE HERE CAMERAS ONLY COST THIS MUCH!" is absolutely miles beyond that
also your rant is ridiculous. "youtube videos won't change anything" ok cool come back to me when you have a magnificent better idea and show me that individuals have no impact on the social macrosystem of society. and just saying "well they do it in movies too!" doesn't change anything. it's still not a good thing.
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[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40545191]Women who are too sexual aren’t taken seriously, and women who aren’t sexual enough aren’t taken seriously. Women who are conventionally attractive get valued solely for their sexual appeal; women who aren’t conventionally attractive get dismissed for their lack of it. Women who are conventionally attractive are assumed to be dumb bimbos; women who aren’t conventionally attractive are assumed to be either bitter or desperate. Women who are conventionally attractive get trivialized; women who aren’t conventionally attractive get treated with pity and contempt.
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(I'm hoping this might open somebody's eyes about feminism out there, but maybe that's too much hope)[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6NwkpHzyrE[/media]
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