[QUOTE=xxncxx;37657877]im not discounting his argument at all, I said its incredibly ironic he cant take me seriously when hes cursing up and down like a 5 year old that just heard his dad say "fuck". Regardless, I already refuted his argument by showing what hes basically saying is okay to do.[/QUOTE]
Is it wrong for a transgender person to use the word "Tranny"?
[QUOTE=zerothefallen;37657874]if saying faggot meant you're homophobe no matter what I'd be homophobic Emily. I say it a lot and it doesn't mean I'm a bigot nor a homophobe.
Stop it.[/QUOTE]
what Dori said, and its Emi now.
[QUOTE=zerothefallen;37657874]if saying faggot meant you're homophobe no matter what I'd be homophobic Emily. I say it a lot and it doesn't mean I'm a bigot nor a homophobe.
Stop it.[/QUOTE]
context is important. saying faggot in general isn't necessarily homophobic but going around calling people things they specifically ask not to be called generally means you're bein a cunt
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37657891]Is it wrong for a transgender person to use the word "Tranny"?[/QUOTE]
how is this relevant?
-okay yeah I don't belong here-
[QUOTE=Dori;37657888]nobody has said that, so you're in luck my friend[/QUOTE]
prolly misread then. Sorry
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[QUOTE=xxncxx;37657893]what Dori said, and its Emi now.[/QUOTE]
dont care.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37657908]how is this relevant?[/QUOTE]
It's very relevant. When discussing why words shouldn't be used, you can't ignore context.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;37657933]It's very relevant. When discussing why words shouldn't be used, you can't ignore context.[/QUOTE]
a transgender person saying tranny is a very vague context you're giving me. if they are saying it to another trans person and are trying to insult them, thats incredibly hypocritical, and thus still wrong.
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[QUOTE=Primigenes;37657674]No the intent decides what makes it okay..
Its how you use words.
shit I think this was from George Carlin
Stop overreacting
You can't call people Homophobes and Transphobic just because they said a word. Again you need to chill the fuck out
Its people like you who abuse the fuck out of these words[/QUOTE]
Despite being informed that the word was offensive term to describe transgender people, people still defend the usage of it. The context is what bugs people the most, not the word itself.
It's like how you would easily shrug off death threats from Counterstrike, but would be horrified if you've received one from an IRL cartel member.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;37657956]I don't remember a post explaining how intent doesn't have a large part about how words are used. Because saying anyone who uses does words has a phobia of gays and/or trans is stupid.[/QUOTE]
homophobia doesn't literally mean "fear of gays" (and i swear to god if you post some dictionary definition of the words "homo" and "phobia" ill slit your throat), it encompasses a general dislike or mistreatment of gays/trans etc. so generally if you're calling people trannies/faggots, whether or not you "mean" to be rude, if you're doing something that people have specifically asked you not to do, you're being a bit of a cunt and in this case what we like to call a [I]homophobe[/I]
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[QUOTE=Primigenes;37657985]You didn't refute fuck all
[video=youtube;s_osQvkeNRM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM&feature=player_detailpage[/video][/QUOTE]
haha swearing rules!! fucking fuck!! LOL
nobody cares about swearing ya shmuck we're talking about you purposefully going out of your way to call people a name they find offensive because the word itself carries negative and derogatory connotations. just by virtue of saying a nasty word you're not doing anything wrong and nobody here disagrees with that, you're doing something wrong when people are like "yo please dont call me a tranny" and you say "why the fuck not you fuckin tranny"
[QUOTE=xxncxx;37657947]a transgender person saying tranny is a very vague context you're giving me. if they are saying it to another trans person and are trying to insult them, thats incredibly hypocritical, and thus still wrong.[/QUOTE]
If they're saying to another without malicious reasoning.
Overusing profanity causes it to lose its meaning. Save it for when you really need it.
Wow, this went to shit fast.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;37657547]can I just ask one question?
why is tranny an offensive slur? I had the understanding that it was just a shorter variation of "transgendered'. is there any sort of negative connotation that I'm oblivious too?
surely it can't be on the same level as slang such as nigger or chink. slavery is a lot worse than "oh no this dude is homophobic and calling me mean things". of course this could just be stemming from ignorance.
of course I get rated boxes for asking a question.[/QUOTE]
Issues involving gender and sexuality are not as well in the public eye as racial ones. When someone calls another person a nigger or chink, there is no ambiguity that the caller means harm to the recipient. Terms like these are used as adjectives or nouns directed at people for their heritage. While these terms make clear what attribute the caller is referring to concerning the victim, they are commonly (and mostly) used to refer to said victims in a negative way.
Words like tranny and faggot are the same way. Being used less often due to a lower pool of recipients, they are understood by their targets as primarily existing for the point of insult. Tranny makes clear that the caller is insulting the recipient for being transgender, transsexual, or otherwise not conforming to typical gender roles.
The trouble is, when you are on the other side of the fence you see your peers use these terms casually, and so you do not see them used negatively in any way that would have you build negative connotations with the terms. On the other side, the recipients of these insults see them used negatively towards themselves on a regular basis.
Additionally, there are individuals who defend the use of derogatory terms under the guise that these terms have multiple meanings. For instance, saying that something is gay, or 'he was being such a faggot'. In that case, the speaker would defend his words in saying that by faggot he means something like 'bad', but does not consider that this dual-definition is improper; words like this do not have multiple meanings. When someone uninformed hears this hypothetical person referring to something or someone as a faggot, or gay, he or she often draws the idea that anything gay is bad. It does not make sense to say "He was a stupid faggot, oh not the gay kind just the dumb kind". When you say that someone is a derogatory term under the guise of dual-definition, you are saying that anything it applies to is bad. Related is the unfortunate case of some homosexual people without this understanding using terms like gay to describe negatively perceived things themselves. These gay people are not very bright, and do not see the societal impact they help cause.
Using negative terms in the knowledge that they are negative is not okay; learning why things are negative and being willing to admit one's own mistake is great.
[i]I'm looking at you, greenen.[/i]
[QUOTE=Bletotum;37658067]Using negative terms in the knowledge that they are negative is not okay; learning why things are negative and being willing to admit one's own mistake is great.
[i]I'm looking at you, greenen.[/i][/QUOTE]
[i]unknowingly[/i]
[QUOTE=Primigenes;37658115]Ugh no shit you shouldn't call people things they don't want to be called.
[B]I'm saying you just can't call people homophobes and transphobes for actually saying the word in general.[/B] Your misinterpreting my post.
Faggot can be aimed at anyone. Its not solely limited to gays now a days and its a word that depends on intent.
Tranny is limited to Transexuals. Depending on intent it can mean 2 things.
Thats all I'm saying so yes I concur on the point of ignoring peoples request
And by the way if you don't fucking care about my swearing then you shouldn't have mentioned it. You don't have the right to start bitching about me responding when you specifically made a post making it an issue.
Its stupid and arrogant[/QUOTE]
ok then i guess you can stop posting because everyone already agrees with this and the entire argument has been about calling trans people trannies
[editline]14th September 2012[/editline]
"fuck fuck fuck fuck you fuck you fuck fuck" - you
[QUOTE=Bletotum;37658067]Wow, this went to shit fast.
Issues involving gender and sexuality are not as well in the public eye as racial ones. When someone calls another person a nigger or chink, there is no ambiguity that the caller means harm to the recipient. Terms like these are used as adjectives or nouns directed at people for their heritage. While these terms make clear what attribute the caller is referring to concerning the victim, they are commonly (and mostly) used to refer to said victims in a negative way.
Words like tranny and faggot are the same way. Being used less often due to a lower pool of recipients, they are understood by their targets as primarily existing for the point of insult. Tranny makes clear that the caller is insulting the recipient for being transgender, transsexual, or otherwise not conforming to typical gender roles.
The trouble is, when you are on the other side of the fence you see your peers use these terms casually, and so you do not see them used negatively in any way that would have you build negative connotations with the terms. On the other side, the recipients of these insults see them used negatively towards themselves on a regular basis.
Additionally, there are individuals who defend the use of derogatory terms under the guise that these terms have multiple meanings. For instance, saying that something is gay, or 'he was being such a faggot'. In that case, the speaker would defend his words in saying that by faggot he means something like 'bad', but does not consider that this dual-definition is improper; words like this do not have multiple meanings. When someone uninformed hears this hypothetical person referring to something or someone as a faggot, or gay, he or she often draws the idea that anything gay is bad. It does not make sense to say "He was a stupid faggot, oh not the gay kind just the dumb kind". When you say that someone is a derogatory term under the guise of dual-definition, you are saying that anything it applies to is bad. Related is the unfortunate case of some homosexual people without this understanding using terms like gay to describe negatively perceived things themselves. These gay people are not very bright, and do not see the societal impact they help cause.
Using negative terms in the knowledge that they are negative is not okay; learning why things are negative and being willing to admit one's own mistake is great.
[i]I'm looking at you, greenen.[/i][/QUOTE]
I sincerely wish I could rate you both informative and friendly. It still strikes me as odd that such a word could be so negatively received but like I said before, perhaps I'll never understand because I'm not transgendered myself. Thank you.
I'm amazed, no really.
"Become further entrenched in your own views by defending them against people entrenched in their own" You know there's a section for bullshit like this right?
Trannys sure are creepy just look at it fighting! Looks really humanoid tbh.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;37644405]Him*
The short fat guy obviously wanted a real woman and left because some man turned up. He has every right to not pay, especially considering he's likely to get aids etc from him.
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Why do you insist on being so ignorant? All you ever do is bitch about transgender people like they killed your family or something.
Fucking grow a brain, get educated, and fuck off with your bio-conservative crap you insensitive bigoted piece of shit. You're the reason suicide rates are high among the LGBT community.
God I fucking hate people like you.
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And I really don't see what's funny about this video.
lol the transphobia in this thread
you're all trans so its totally ok for you to say when tranny is and isn't ok, right guys? it totally is a word that demeans, belittles, and objectifies all of you, right?
I don't give a fuck if you're a T (i am), you still don't have the right to say 'tranny' over any other human fucking being
For some reason, I thought Tranny meant Grandma...
It might just help if people weren't getting so riled up over other people's opinions in this thread.
Whether they're wrong or right in your perspective doesn't mean you claiming your opinion against theirs will make them change it, it's only going to perpetuate the situation.
Basically you all need to ignore things you don't like and move on.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;37668645]Why do you insist on being so ignorant? All you ever do is bitch about transgender people like they killed your family or something.
Fucking grow a brain, get educated, and fuck off with your bio-conservative crap you insensitive bigoted piece of shit. You're the reason suicide rates are high among the LGBT community.
God I fucking hate people like you.[/QUOTE]
actually this guy u call a piece of shit has a good fucking point. Also you hate people like him ? Is it because he speaks the truth ? Most poeple who have HIV are or gets aids from fucking anotehr person in their ass who has HIV, or getting fucked in the ass. So before you tell somoene esle to get an education, maby you should get one yourself ay ? PS i fucking hate trannys and i cannot stand flamboiyant gay assholes who needs to let the whole world know what they are and i especially hate gay assholes who demand that we give them the same previlages that a proper couple has (marriage, adoption ect)
Also if this makes me a homophobe then by all means label me as one. I have a few friends that are gay but they dont fucking demand shit or open their mouths and scream it out in public. the LGBT community does this shit all the time.
oh and the reason they love slitting their own fucking wrists is because like it or not a majority of people in this world dont like faggots or TRANNYS because this might come as a shock to you but its not NORMAL. All you do is spread a fucking disease that has no cure.
Now i shall wait a few minutes and then see the whiteknights come toe tipping over the fkn hill at your defence.
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[QUOTE=fatty;37668860]actually this guy u call a piece of shit has a good fucking point. Also you hate people like him ? Is it because he speaks the truth ? Most poeple who have aids are or get aids get it from fucking anotehr person in their ass, or getting fucked in the ass. So before you tell somoene esle to get an education, make you should get one yourself ay ? PS i fucking hate trannys and i cannot stand flamboiyant gay assholes who needs to let the whole world know what they are and i especially hate gay assholes who demand that we give them the same previlages that a proper couple has (marriage, adoption ect)
Also if this makes me a homophobe then by all means label me as one. I have a few friends that are gay but they dont fucking demand shit or open their mouths and scream it out in public. the LGBT community does this shit all the time.
oh and the reason they love slitting their own fucking wrists is because like it or not a majority of people in this world dont like faggots because this might come as a shock to you but its not NORMAL.
Now i shall wait a few minutes and then see the whiteknights come toe tipping over the fkn hill at your defence.[/QUOTE]
best poster 2012
how does someone getting "fucked in the ass" affect you at all
[QUOTE=fatty;37668860]actually this guy u call a piece of shit has a good fucking point. Also you hate people like him ? Is it because he speaks the truth ? Most poeple who have HIV are or gets aids from fucking anotehr person in their ass who has HIV, or getting fucked in the ass. So before you tell somoene esle to get an education, maby you should get one yourself ay ? PS i fucking hate trannys and i cannot stand flamboiyant gay assholes who needs to let the whole world know what they are and i especially hate gay assholes who demand that we give them the same previlages that a proper couple has (marriage, adoption ect)
Also if this makes me a homophobe then by all means label me as one. I have a few friends that are gay but they dont fucking demand shit or open their mouths and scream it out in public. the LGBT community does this shit all the time.
oh and the reason they love slitting their own fucking wrists is because like it or not a majority of people in this world dont like faggots because this might come as a shock to you but its not NORMAL.
Now i shall wait a few minutes and then see the whiteknights come toe tipping over the fkn hill at your defence.[/QUOTE]
"but its not NORMAL."
your whole argument is pointless if your going to bring "normality" into it.
automerge ughhhh
[QUOTE=fatty;37668860]actually this guy u call a piece of shit has a good fucking point. Also you hate people like him ? Is it because he speaks the truth ?[/quote]
Truth? Ha, you're funny. If someone is transgender, and they say they are the gender they'd like to be preferred by, then that's what they are. They are "real" just like any other cisgender person.
[quote]Most poeple who have aids are or get aids get it from fucking anotehr person in their ass, or getting fucked in the ass. So before you tell somoene esle to get an education, make you should get one yourself ay ?[/quote]
You can get AIDS from anywhere else too. What is your point? STDs aren't exclusive to the ass hole.
[quote]PS i fucking hate trannys and i cannot stand flamboiyant gay assholes who needs to let the whole world know what they are and i especially hate gay assholes who demand that we give them the same previlages that a proper couple has (marriage, adoption ect)[/quote]
Thanks for admitting you're a terrible person. A lot of people don't normally do that.
Are you fucking for real, dude? Grow up. Do you have some stupid blind definition that all women and men are supposed to be this 1D image of gender role norms?
[quote]Also if this makes me a homophobe then by all means label me as one. I have a few friends that are gay but they dont fucking demand shit or open their mouths and scream it out in public. the LGBT community does this shit all the time.
oh and the reason they love slitting their own fucking wrists is because like it or not a majority of people in this world dont like faggots because this might come as a shock to you but its not NORMAL.[/quote]
They don't demand shit? Yeah, highly doubt that. And they probably don't express themselves to you or others because of bigoted tools like you.
"Normal." Lol. You know what's normal? Being different. Being your own person. Being who you are and not following a list of set rules on how you should behave. Know why? Because you're born that way. That's "normal." Following a set list of man-made gender roles is not.
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