"I also wear the Hijab, it's beautiful!" - Bizarre German TV Ad Campaign advertises Veil to Girls - General

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51070954]This is completely 100% false. The Hijab has never been mandated as a thing by the Islamic religion. The Quran states that both men and women should conform to a sense of modesty, which includes body parts, but makes no actual mention of the clothing supposed to be used. This of course means the meaning of modesty is open to interpretation by people allowing Islamic Women to wear whatever the fuck they want.[/QUOTE] This is true regarding religion, not necessarily true regarding certain countries' laws and cultural norms. "Islamic Women" are not "free to wear whatever the fuck they want" in Sudan for example.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51071027]This is true regarding religion, not necessarily true regarding certain countries' laws and cultural norms. "Islamic Women" are not "free to wear whatever the fuck they want" in Sudan for example.[/QUOTE] Yes of course, I was simply stating that their religion itself allowed women to wear whatever they want if circumstanced allowed it, sorry if I caused any confusion.

I have no idea how this headline came to be or why people are outraged about this clip. It's pretty much just saying "So what if people wear a veil? If they do it because it's pretty, let them." Seems as shocking to me as telling people not to bully others because they're wearing glasses. [QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51070790]I always found it strange that they use the word "Tolerant".[/QUOTE] Maybe it's a connotation that hasn't crossed the big puddle, but here in Germany "tolerant" usually doesn't carry the meaning of "bear with it". It's more about having the usual amount of basic respect even for things that weird you out.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51070573]Jesus Christ, what the hell is people's problems with this video? It's just saying "Hey guys, it's perfectly fine if you or others want to wear a hijab."[/QUOTE] Facepunch can be a pretty awful alt-right cesspool.

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51071203]Facepunch can be a pretty awful alt-right cesspool.[/QUOTE] Has alt-right cesspool become the new SJW bogeyman?

[QUOTE=_Axel;51071266]Has alt-right cesspool become the new SJW bogeyman?[/QUOTE] I think SJW had more discrimination in it's usage. Pepe was never called an SJW.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51071027]This is true regarding religion, not necessarily true regarding certain countries' laws and cultural norms. "Islamic Women" are not "free to wear whatever the fuck they want" in Sudan for example.[/QUOTE] I think that these matters are distinct is the important takeaway here. A lot of the for example anti-veil arguments made by (extreme) right-wingers (also here in Germany) completely miss all of that nuance. I'm pretty sure in many cases it's even intentional so they have a convenient shorthand connecting sexism and Islam as a whole that can be 'fixed' without addressing any of the underlying cultural issues, however flawed that connection here is. While we're looking at hijabs, it should be pretty clear that these are clothing items that can't hurt anyone (unless grossly misused, but at that point that applies to 50% of the items in my room). In a country like this one, it would be ridiculous to ban anything in that category unless there's a serious collision with another matter like wearing veils [I]specifically in places or functions that require ID[/I]. However, this should be regulated in a secular and generic matter since there the issue is with the items being opaque and not with them being religious symbols. On the other hand, actual sexist or otherwise intolerant practices don't belong anywhere close to this place. Sometimes 'honor' killings happen in Germany for example, and while they don't seem to be very common, it would be wrong to ignore that problem. Ironically enough, I very rarely see far-right-wingers address more serious matters like this. Part of me thinks the reason for that is that the victims are almost exclusively members of those ethnicities, but alleging that directly would go too far since there are at least some benign reasons this may be the case. Fourier: You [I]really[/I] need to find better news sources. You fell for a fake story again here, and it happens quite often with threads you make. In this case it's understandable since this is a video and I assume you don't speak German though (but the video [I]does[/I] have accurate subtitles..). I recommend you follow for example [URL="https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz"]Maajid Nawaz on Twitter[/URL], who is an activist highlighting problems with Islam(ism) in a much more nuanced way. His feed has so many examples that you could take over half of SH with well-reasoned anti-Islamist (but generally not anti-Islamic) pieces if you wanted. There's also [URL="https://twitter.com/ruqxx"]Ruqaiya Haris[/URL], who's a really cool person all around as far as I can tell. She wrote [URL="http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/32580/1/muslim-women-burkini-ban-islamophobia-uk-france"]a very relevant piece on the clothing issue[/URL] about two weeks ago. Both of them don't spare criticism in either direction.

[QUOTE=Tools;51070786]Germany trying too hard to cover up it's old image [I]Just look at how [B]TOLERATE[/B] we are![/I][/QUOTE] Ironically all that does is sow the seed of fascism.

[QUOTE=Tools;51070786]Germany trying too hard to cover up it's old image [I]Just look at how [B]TOLERATE[/B] we are![/I][/QUOTE] Did you even read the thread up to your post? [editline]19th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51070222]Ahahaha! I love that [b]TOLERANCE[/b] part. Everyone who don't want it or don't like it aren't tolerant?[/QUOTE] Only if you make a fuzz about it and want to ban it without having a good reason. The video neither says that anyone [I]should[/I] wear it, nor calls it for acceptance. You're free to hold any opinion you want regarding the matter, but I'm pretty sure most people here prefer that to be done in a way that doesn't infringe on others' rights either.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;51071427]Did you even read the thread up to your post? [/QUOTE] Yes, what point are you trying to make

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51071203]Facepunch can be a pretty awful alt-right cesspool.[/QUOTE] Let me guess, anything that isn't outright far left is an "alt-right cesspool" because Facepunch, if anything, is actually a pretty diverse place when it comes to the political spectrum and I see at least as many far-left as I see alt-right. If this wasn't the case, you wouldn't see so many discussions on SH for instance.

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51071203]Facepunch can be a pretty awful alt-right cesspool.[/QUOTE] Of all the posts in this thread, this has to be the dumbest. Yes there are many users on facepunch who succumb to alt-right ways of thinking, but of a forum of more than 2000 people especially one in which free discussion happens, there's going to be a diverse range of ideologies.

[QUOTE=SirJon;51071490]Yes, what point are you trying to make[/QUOTE] Three posters before you had pointed out either that the video doesn't do what you allege (or that's it's not relevant to current issues, but that's [I]slightly[/I] less relevant): [QUOTE=NoOneKnowsMe;51070545]It doesn't advertise veils to girls. It basically just says that it is not a problem to wear one.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=zoox;51070555]btw the video is from ~2011 [url]https://youtube.com/watch?v=U53nYxVqoXw[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TornadoAP;51070573]Jesus Christ, what the hell is people's problems with this video? It's just saying "Hey guys, it's perfectly fine if you or others want to wear a hijab."[/QUOTE] It's pretty clear from the presentation that the video targets a specific kind of xenophobia that involves haggling people who are visibly with Turkish background because of their clothes (which unfortunately is indeed a thing here in some places). If it was about showing off our culture here to foreigners there'd 1. be a pretty different vibe about it and 2. it wouldn't be in German, [I]for Germans[/I]. The ad wants to show that dressing however you want is acceptable here, so that certain [I]domestic[/I] groups can't create the illusion of an opposite majority opinion.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51071551]Of all the posts in this thread, this has to be the dumbest. Yes there are many users on facepunch who succumb to alt-right ways of thinking, but of a forum of more than 2000 people especially one in which free discussion happens, there's going to be a diverse range of ideologies.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's why I said 'can be' and not 'is', it varies from thread to thread.

Good ol' [B]GERMANY YES![/B] commercials. They never dissapoint. When did everything go [I]so[/I] wrong, Germany? :/ [editline]18th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51071203]Facepunch can be a pretty awful alt-right cesspool.[/QUOTE] "FP is not a Safe Space®" Oh please.

[QUOTE=Tamschi;51071556]Three posters before you had pointed out either that the video doesn't do what you allege (or that's it's not relevant to current issues, but that's [I]slightly[/I] less relevant): It's pretty clear from the presentation that the video targets a specific kind of xenophobia that involves haggling people who are visibly with Turkish background because of their clothes (which unfortunately is indeed a thing here in some places). If it was about showing off our culture here to foreigners there'd 1. be a pretty different vibe about it and 2. it wouldn't be in German, [I]for Germans[/I]. The ad wants to show that dressing however you want is acceptable here, so that certain [I]domestic[/I] groups can't create the illusion of an opposite majority opinion.[/QUOTE] Sorry to say that but you really are overthinking my post

I thought this was sensationalist headlines for a minute :v:

[QUOTE=Digivee;51071999]I thought this was sensationalist headlines for a minute :v:[/QUOTE] You mean SH, aka "/leftypol/'s satellite"?

[QUOTE=Thlis;51071287]I think SJW had more discrimination in it's usage. Pepe was never called an SJW.[/QUOTE] it's "lefty" nowadays

German TV Ad? More like GTA V. This feels like social satire.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51071951]"FP is not a Safe Space®" Oh please.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm totally some sort of SJW because I said Facepunch can be alt-right. It's especially lovely from the guy who just implied Germany has gone 'so wrong' because of tolerance.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;51072003]You mean SH, aka "/leftypol/'s satellite"?[/QUOTE] I fucking wish! But no, everyone in SH is either tradtitional liberal or traditional conservative, with one or three alt right posters. No commies I see. now go back to /pol/ and call everyone you dont like a cuck some more,

[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;51072434]I fucking wish! But no, everyone in SH is either tradtitional liberal or traditional conservative, with one or three alt right posters. No commies I see. now go back to /pol/ and call everyone you dont like a cuck some more,[/QUOTE] Eh, I really wouldn't call right leaning people on SH traditional conservatives, since most of the time they seem to be simply against the values of the left wing rather then people who adhere to [url=https://goplifer.com/what-is-conservatism/]actual conservatism[/url]

[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;51072434]I fucking wish! But no, everyone in SH is either tradtitional liberal or traditional conservative, with one or three alt right posters. No commies I see. now go back to /pol/ and call everyone you dont like a cuck some more,[/QUOTE] Nice display of mental gymnastics, friend.

Clearly this is cultural appropriation (I'm being facetious but there's people who'd seriously argue this)

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51070790]I always found it strange that they use the word "Tolerant". How society has to "Tolerate" gays and trans people, mass immigration or whatever. Or look how tolerant we are, how progressive our society is. And yet we're always supposed to Tolerate this sort of thing. You could say accept, welcome, invite, host, integrate, etc, but no. It's always "we're tolerant!". It kinda implies that we know this shit is awful but look how great we are for putting up with it![/QUOTE] I think tolerate is the perfect word to use. You can't make people accept or welcome things they don't like or even hate. Real changes take generations, tolerance is probably as high as the scale goes currently. It's a realistic goal and a realistic word to use.

It basically seems to just be saying "it's fine for people to wear Hijabs". It certainly doesn't seem to be advertising it, it's just presenting it from the perspective of why someone might want to wear it (as in, "I'm wearing it because I find it beautiful", rather than "I'm wearing it because somebody's forcing me to").

[QUOTE=Zestence;51072880]I think tolerate is the perfect word to use. You can't make people accept or welcome things they don't like or even hate. Real changes take generations, tolerance is probably as high as the scale goes currently. It's a realistic goal and a realistic word to use.[/QUOTE] I disagree. Tolrate means putting up with shit by gritting your teeth and muttering under your breath. That's not the message i'd want to send if i want the public to welcome in foreign cultures. I'd go with we must welcome them, or we must be gracious hosts, not "well we gotta put up with these fuckers i guess. Just tolerate it the best you can." It's just a really feckless choice of words i find really baffling.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51072945]I disagree. Tolrate means putting up with shit by gritting your teeth and muttering under your breath. .[/QUOTE] It's still an improvement over nationalistic protests and violence. Also I don't think the meaning of that world is quite that negative. If people are still gritting teeth and muttering they're not really being tolerant. I think tolerance includes a level of acceptance. Not necessarily loving the changes, but accepting that it's happening and learning to live with the situation.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51072945]I disagree. Tolrate means putting up with shit by gritting your teeth and muttering under your breath. That's not the message i'd want to send if i want the public to welcome in foreign cultures. I'd go with we must welcome them, or we must be gracious hosts, not "well we gotta put up with these fuckers i guess. Just tolerate it the best you can." It's just a really feckless choice of words i find really baffling.[/QUOTE] I think tolerate is living with it and accepting is embracing it as part of yourself. In which case I think tolerating is the right word.