Second Planned Parenthood Senior Executive Haggles Over Baby Parts Prices, Changes Abortion Methods
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Stem cell research is amazing and really shows the betterment of humanity, and using aborted fetuses as a harmless resevoir for the cell helps everyone. It's a win-win!
Didn't they say right in the video that they get patients to sign off on this?
And isn't this compensation for the costs? Not for profit? Because, like, $100 for for-profit medical specimens is pretty fucking low, the only reason I can think of is that it's literally covering costs. Like in the last "omg planned parenthood selling babies" video a couple days ago.
[QUOTE=woolio1;48264447]You sound like you came here with a straw to pick and an agenda to play. That's not how we do things around here.
Or it is. Maybe. I'm not really sure what we do around here, if I'm honest.[/QUOTE]
I dont think you can really say I have an agenda to play when im, pro-choice, im very pro using aborted fetuses for research over throwing them away and stem cell research, and I think planned parenthood is a good organization.
Only thing ive been saying shit against is if their doing some of this shit without the patients consent which I think is a fair thing to bring up regardless of organization or what it does. I think ive made that very clear, for fucksakes I churned that shit out in huffy caps clear as day.
I mean if you really think I have something against stem cell research or planned parenthood or abortion then I dont know.
[editline]22nd July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48265190']Didn't they say right in the video that they get patients to sign off on this?
And isn't this compensation for the costs? Not for profit? Because, like, $100 for for-profit medical specimens is pretty fucking low, the only reason I can think of is that it's literally covering costs. Like in the last "omg planned parenthood selling babies" video a couple days ago.[/QUOTE]
This is the line that I just dont understand thats making me question if consent is always happening. I dont know if im like retarded and im not reading it right but it sounds like shes acknowledging non-consenting tissue to obtain.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw&feature=youtu.be&t=242[/url]
They arent getting consent for the medical procedure she says she changes on them(adds higher chance to a better fetus), while the procedure isnt any more painful or harmful, I personally find it wrong to do that to someone.
I imagine consent does happen- planned parenthood covers its bases and trust me liability insurance is ridiculous so there are always piles of forms for you to sign at doctors offices and stuff that are legally water tight.
Put simply the lack of consent seems like such a lawsuit cash cow that it'd be crazy for it to either not be gaining more attention, or to have already been a problem and caused the integration of policies (clear consent) that fix that.
[editline]22nd July 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=woolio1;48264447]You sound like you came here with a straw to pick and an agenda to play. That's not how we do things around here.
Or it is. Maybe. I'm not really sure what we do around here, if I'm honest.[/QUOTE]
I lurked for years trying to figure that out, I got nothing
[QUOTE=paindoc;48265729]I imagine consent does happen- planned parenthood covers its bases and trust me liability insurance is ridiculous so there are always piles of forms for you to sign at doctors offices and stuff that are legally water tight.
Put simply the lack of consent seems like such a lawsuit cash cow that it'd be crazy for it to either not be gaining more attention, or to have already been a problem and caused the integration of policies (clear consent) that fix that.
[editline]22nd July 2015[/editline]
I lurked for years trying to figure that out, I got nothing[/QUOTE]
But heres my thing.
How would a patient even know at ALL that their aborted fetus was used without their consent. Im serious, would any of us here even know HOW to tell even if they were like "Yeah sure heres YOUR aborted fetus" how can you even tell? You can give as much consent as you want but can you really tell if they showed you an aborted fetus that its yours?
I know we are into what ifs but honestly. Not that im trying to attack planned parenthood, if anyones pulling this type of shit its an absurd minority and not the organization just people taking advantage of it, but due to what this organization is it would allow these shitty people to do this type of thing if they were smart and in a certain position.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48265767]But heres my thing.
How would a patient even know at ALL that their aborted fetus was used without their consent. Im serious, would any of us here even know HOW to tell even if they were like "Yeah sure heres YOUR aborted fetus" how can you even tell? You can give as much consent as you want but can you really tell if they showed you an aborted fetus that its yours?
I know we are into what ifs but honestly. Not that im trying to attack planned parenthood, if anyones pulling this type of shit its an absurd minority and not the organization just people taking advantage of it, but due to what this organization is it would allow these shitty people to do this type of thing if they were smart and in a certain position.[/QUOTE]
Well you answered your own question there, if no one knows what harm is done? The patient leaves feeling good but we can still benefit from research done. And mothers can tell, there is circumstantial evidence of hormonal and pheromonal bonds. There's no real ppoint for an executive to be corrupt when that's not profit being made, but what must be paid to ship the bits and pieces
[QUOTE=paindoc;48265970]Well you answered your own question there, if no one knows what harm is done? The patient leaves feeling good but we can still benefit from research done. And mothers can tell, there is circumstantial evidence of hormonal and pheromonal bonds. There's no real ppoint for an executive to be corrupt when that's not profit being made, but what must be paid to ship the bits and pieces[/QUOTE]
Sorry but I dont think if no one knows no harm is done is a good argument. I think that type of logic could be applied to plenty of stupid scenarios that arent agreeable.
If we were talking about like people wanting their trash to be burned vs being recycled and the people who took their trash lied saying it was burned only to be recycled we would be having a different conversation.
But if this is happening "We dont use your fetus for anything you dont want and will dispose of it" only to then go and use it then I think thats a legit problem. Thats something that is morally important to people even if I think just disposing of them is worthless and using them for medical reasons is way more beneficial and useful.
Really only arguing because this is a far more moral and ethical thing. I fully understand and to a point agree with you, but stuff like this should always require consent and we really shouldn't forgive people who dont care for such a thing from patients, even if at the end of the day it can be more beneficial. We would be having a much different conversation if this didnt have to do with something like abortion.
Theirs plenty of times id agree with a company doing shit for the better even if its lying to its customer base. I dont think that way if its happening in something like this.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48260944]You are missing something, a lot of something.
They are doing this WITHOUT THE PATIENTS CONSENT AND SAYING ITS NOT HAPPENING AND DOING DIFFERENT PROCEDURES ON PATIENTS THAN WHAT THEY WERE TOLD.
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Actually theres a part where the lady mentions that there would have to be consent involved on the patients part, and that there would be an issue with deviating from the procedures, but also made a counter statement saying the benefits are the same to the patients regardless of technique and that consent could easily be gained through education with patient during the pre-op interview process.
Where I work we do medical abortions on emergent bases (loss of fetal heart tone, and ectopic pregnancies). Consent for surgical procedures is a VERY big fucking deal, to the point that there are multiple forums, and checks, throughout everything to make sure that nothing deviates from a procedure's technique.
I think you're getting worked up over things you don't understand. Theres no issue with consent here, they said themselves the patients would have a choice, and they're discussed the changing of technique to help procure a more viable specimen and how it would relate to the process of gaining consent. They're getting compensated for the use of their facilities, storage and transportation of tissue (you have to designated a dirty room, purchase chemicals such as formalin, have trained personnel to deal with it, you're required to purchase a specific level of PPE for this room, and have X amounts of eye wash stations because of the use of formalin, this drives facility costs up). Planned parent hood has to legally be responsible for all staff in the procedure room, regardless if they're visiting researcher there to collect fetuses or the surgeon preforming the D&E. Outside reps and researchers are a liability to patient care, a small one, but still a liability that has to be covered from a legal stand point.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48260526]Because some people realize that they cannot support a child and it would have a shitty life if born. Doesnt mean you cant be attached and very emotional. Did I really have to explain this lol? Theirs way more examples as well, what about a Women who was raped and is carrying a rape baby around.[/quote]
Sorry, real quick.
If you think that a fetus is a human being, like if you honestly believe that, then it is not ethical to abort. The only reason I think abortion is alright is because I don't think fetues are human beings.
Simply put, if you are emotional and attatched to the aborted fetus, then I think thats proof you have violated your own moral code.
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This is the line that I just dont understand thats making me question if consent is always happening. I dont know if im like retarded and im not reading it right but it sounds like shes acknowledging non-consenting tissue to obtain.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw&feature=youtu.be&t=242[/URL]
They arent getting consent for the medical procedure she says she changes on them(adds higher chance to a better fetus), while the procedure isnt any more painful or harmful, I personally find it wrong to do that to someone.[/QUOTE]
If they consent to the procedure, they consent to whatever happens afterward ( as this will most likely be in some legal part of the procedure), ESPECIALLY if they've ticked any sort of donor boxes. It's not like these people are stealing babies, christ. If they want their unborn, undeveloped child in their lap they certainly can have it.
I don't see the issue here.
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Also the video title, christ, "baby parts prices". They're not fucking babies, they're fetuses. It's the same as saying to people that buy organs calling them "human body parts cannibals" or some BS. Whole thing reeks of right wing / anti-pro choice shitstaining
I wonder why they do not just tell the donor that they are going to use a method that increases the likelihood of the fetus being intact? To me it seems like they would, and that the wording she used made it seem like its common practice to not tell the donor about the procedure, when really it would be more of a case to case kind of thing. This is tabloid-tier bullshit. Go talk to someone with a hidden camera and ask loaded questions and you could make them into most anything that you want.
The woman pretending to be interested in the pricing of fetuses is even surprised that the price is so low, as if she wanted them to be stuffing their pockets with cash while discussing the taste of fetus like its a fine wine.
[QUOTE=3picFail;48271087]I wonder why they do not just tell the donor that they are going to use a method that increases the likelihood of the fetus being intact? To me it seems like they would, and that the wording she used made it seem like its common practice to not tell the donor about the procedure, when really it would be more of a case to case kind of thing. This is tabloid-tier bullshit. Go talk to someone with a hidden camera and ask loaded questions and you could make them into most anything that you want.
The woman pretending to be interested in the pricing of fetuses is even surprised that the price is so low, as if she wanted them to be stuffing their pockets with cash while discussing the taste of fetus like its a fine wine.[/QUOTE]
I guess when you put it that way your right. The guys with the cameras sound more off listening to it again. But I still dont get what she means when shes asking if they are wanting to get fetuses they can just take or ones volunteered. I feel like im missing some context or misunderstanding it.
[QUOTE=Murkrow;48260599]Wasn't the first one proven to be either fake or completely blown out of proportion? And this, if I recall correctly has the exact same source.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it was proven fake and some conservative fringe sites ran with it because they're a bunch of knee jerk morons until Fox picked it up and promoted it as real as well because they're the kings of said knee jerk morons.
I'm surprised sniper hadn't heard of the first one because iirc, there was a pretty big fluster going on about it somewhere.
I saw everyone in the comments section acting so angry and murderous to the point where they'd call abortionists "nazis" and that they should die, and I posted one comment telling them that abortion has it's benefits... oh boy, the replies...
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[QUOTE=Angry pepper;48284122]I saw everyone in the comments section acting so angry and murderous to the point where they'd call abortionists "nazis" and that they should die, and I posted one comment telling them that abortion has it's benefits... oh boy, the replies...
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62 more lines? The guy was so fucking butthurt, he wrote a novel.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;48284387]62 more lines? The guy was so fucking butthurt, he wrote a novel.[/QUOTE]
That's not even the worst I've been sent on the comment list, these are only three of a lengthy list of horribly thought out attempts to stab my comment in to oblivion.
Let's have a look at the pure quality and quantity of the comments sent to me.
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Apparently, people really care about someone's opinion.
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