• The Story of Overwatch: Return of the 90s Shooter
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with all the lore that they're writing about overwatch and the two sides fighting against each other, it's funny to see that the game itself is non-canon since you can mix and match heroes and villains.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185040]Stories and themes of games should somewhat operate based around cliche's. We want the heroes of a game to be recognizable at a glance, and the basic concepts of good versus evil to be readily apparent. If a sci-fi universe has no bearing on our world at all, when it comes to the general gender relations and ideas surrounding them, we cannot place ourselves within it. And it has no meaning to us that applies to our world. It need to follow some general rules of our reality.[/QUOTE] speak for yourself
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185040]Stories and themes of games should somewhat operate based around cliche's. We want the heroes of a game to be recognizable at a glance, and the basic concepts of good versus evil to be readily apparent. If a sci-fi universe has no bearing on our world at all, when it comes to the general gender relations and ideas surrounding them, we cannot place ourselves within it. And it has no meaning to us that applies to our world. It need to follow some general rules of our reality. [editline]22nd April 2016[/editline] I'll stay here, and you can stay in POZ world. Deal![/QUOTE] I think you're really just a sexist that wants to sound not sexist no ones convinced lol
[QUOTE=J!NX;50185239]I think you're really just a sexist that wants to sound not sexist no ones convinced lol[/QUOTE] I am a sexist, I don't give a fuck. Any sane person is sexist. The separate genders have been genetically designed for separate tasks. Any sane person can see this.
im not sexist
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185264]I am a sexist, I don't give a fuck. Any sane person is sexist. The separate genders have been genetically designed for separate tasks. Any sane person can see this.[/QUOTE] You're off to a great start
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50185294]im not sexist[/QUOTE] You're responding to the fact that the word "sexist" has been made into this massive shame-label, that everyone has been conditioned to have a knee-jerk reaction against. As if someone who sees the genetic differences between the sexes is EVIL. It's a way for people to avoid debate with me, when no one wants to tell me how I'm wrong, just slap the label on and I'm suddenly evil and you've won.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185264]I am a sexist, I don't give a fuck. Any sane person is sexist. The separate genders have been genetically designed for separate tasks. Any sane person can see this.[/QUOTE] I mean, you're right in the way that (mostly) everyone sees the legitimate differences between the sexes, but it's beyond me why you feel the need to bring it up in a thread about a fantasy video game.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185330]You're responding to the fact that the word "sexist" has been made into this massive shame-label, that everyone has been conditioned to have a knee-jerk reaction against. As if someone who sees the genetic differences between the sexes is EVIL. It's a way for people to avoid debate with me, when no one wants to tell me how I'm wrong, just slap the label on and I'm suddenly evil and you've won.[/QUOTE] tell me more about what i'm doing i have no agency [editline]23rd April 2016[/editline] sexism has no other meaning u distorted-worldview having weirdo youre enlightening no one
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185330]You're responding to the fact that the word "sexist" has been made into this massive shame-label, that everyone has been conditioned to have a knee-jerk reaction against. As if someone who sees the genetic differences between the sexes is EVIL. It's a way for people to avoid debate with me, when no one wants to tell me how I'm wrong, just slap the label on and I'm suddenly evil and you've won.[/QUOTE] You want a debate, Mr. Sexist? Answer these preliminary questions first and we'll see: 1.) What makes women in Overwatch unrealistic? Ya know, compared to scientific ape geniuses, German robot knights, and samurai archers in the future? 2.) What makes women unable to be shooters? Hell, toddlers can blast your ass with ease. Look at America. Do you have reliable data to back your claims up besides angrily reacting to the (rightfully deserved title) of sexist? 3.) Does it hurt to be so painfully dull?
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185330]You're responding to the fact that the word "sexist" has been made into this massive shame-label, that everyone has been conditioned to have a knee-jerk reaction against. As if someone who sees the genetic differences between the sexes is EVIL. It's a way for people to avoid debate with me, when no one wants to tell me how I'm wrong, just slap the label on and I'm suddenly evil and you've won.[/QUOTE] There's nothin wrong with seeing a genetic difference between sexes, but you're defining roles by gender which really isn't grounded in reality. Sure in general it's more likely for males join the military to fight in wars and glorify violence and such, but again there are plenty of men who don't and there are plenty of women throughout history who have. Although I believe that it is partially primal it is also cultural. The whole point of equality is not that women and men have to do the same thing, but raher the individual has the choice. We live in a new age with new ideas, perhaps there will be more military as we see more women taking on other typically male jobs like CEO positions and perhaps their won't. The fact that you're arguing that women being soldiers in a game, one that is over the top, comic inspired, is honestly disgusting, sexist, and absolutely ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;50184880]i was somewhat interested in trying overwatch with some buddies but then we saw the price tag[/QUOTE] Standard edition is like $40. That's better than any regular AAA game pre-order. [editline]23rd April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=loco;50184934]You are talking about realism in a game where people fly with jetpacks, has cyborg ninjas, and has a gorilla that talks.[/QUOTE] And Sentient Religious Robots. [editline]23rd April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;50184997]Not to say it is, but being a mimic isn't a bad thing some of the greatest game series in the world wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for mimicry. Duke Nukem literally just took doom and recolored it in a really inventive way, and turned the smartass level to 11 and it was a huge success, considered one of the biggest FPS classics today and still talked about by fans. When you hear "Classic video games" you hear Duke Nukem, and it was pretty much just Doom with a new theme and new elements. Same goes for Shadow Warrior. That being said, Overwatch seems to take more inspiration from MOBA's, and tf2 didn't invent any of those classes, in fact, team fortress classic didn't either. T-F only took basic archtypes and turned them into characters.[/QUOTE] Dishonored, do I need to say more?
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185330]You're responding to the fact that the word "sexist" has been made into this massive shame-label, that everyone has been conditioned to have a knee-jerk reaction against. As if someone who sees the genetic differences between the sexes is EVIL. It's a way for people to avoid debate with me, when no one wants to tell me how I'm wrong, just slap the label on and I'm suddenly evil and you've won.[/QUOTE] this is a classic case of projection. you think you got all of this information from him saying "im not sexist" but youre wrong lmao
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;50185167]Its a god damn mp shooter, it needs no story[/QUOTE] Some like you don't want story. Some others, and I, kinda like knowing the lore behind the interesting characters we play as in each game.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50185371]tell me more about what i'm doing i have no agency [editline]23rd April 2016[/editline] sexism has no other meaning u distorted-worldview having weirdo youre enlightening no one[/QUOTE] A distorted world view you still have yet to argue against.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185450]A distorted world view you still have yet to argue against.[/QUOTE] You don't have to argue against a distorted world view in 2016, where, along with racism, anti-LGBTism, is just plain wrong.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185450]A distorted world view you still have yet to argue against.[/QUOTE] sexism is bad and you're wrong for thinking its not or could mean anything different are you satisfied with my argument against your awkward posts
[QUOTE=omarfr;50185412]There's nothin wrong with seeing a genetic difference between sexes, but you're defining roles by gender which really isn't grounded in reality. Sure in general it's more likely for males join the military to fight in wars and glorify violence and such, but again there are plenty of men who don't and there are plenty of women throughout history who have. Although I believe that it is partially primal it is also cultural. The whole point of equality is not that women and men have to do the same thing, but raher the individual has the choice. We live in a new age with new ideas, perhaps there will be more military as we see more women taking on other typically male jobs like CEO positions and perhaps their won't. The fact that you're arguing that women being soldiers in a game, one that is over the top, comic inspired, is honestly disgusting, sexist, and absolutely ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Society evolved towards having social norms which encouraged individuals to follow their specific gender roles. It operated in this fashion for thousands of years, with a culture of people seeing each gender a specific way, and generalizing. I dont know why people think we can throw away such a fundamental aspect of our past society without considering the possibility that the new mode of cultural thinking could be worse. And I think it is proving to be worse. Look at the West's declining birth rates. Look at the rampant suicide, loss of motivation, nihilistic young people. I think we operate better having defined roles as people. [editline]23rd April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50185463]You don't have to argue against a distorted world view in 2016, where, along with racism, anti-LGBTism, is just plain wrong.[/QUOTE] "GUYS ITS 2016, I DONT HAVE TO ARGUE" You lefties become the parodies we make of you.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185004]At a deep level, we like art to reflect the general truths about gender relations and general characters each gender expresses in our real lives. When something breaks that character, like what happens when you have a female soldier, it feels off. It's not just a superficial thing, making the choice to be a warrior for your people, and women just have not and aren't not meant to do it. Thousands of years of evolutionary pressures speak to them at a deep level, and speak to us about what role they should have. When a tribe of 100 loses 50 men they can recover, when a tribe of 100 loses 50 women, they're done for[/QUOTE] i'm gonna get rich one day and make sure every form of media has women as soldiers in it just to screw with you.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50185441]this is a classic case of projection. you think you got all of this information from him saying "im not sexist" but youre wrong lmao[/QUOTE] Well listen to the guy who said it. He's yet to argue a coherent point against my world view. Maybe he was avoiding it... Easier to shame label.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185488]Well listen to the guy who said it. He's yet to argue a coherent point against my world view. Maybe he was avoiding it... Easier to shame label.[/QUOTE] you of all people should not use the word "coherent"
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;50185493]you of all people should not use the word "coherent"[/QUOTE] Nice, more non arguments, more ad hominem.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50185420] Dishonored, do I need to say more?[/QUOTE] Dishonored did so well that the game that inspired it made a sequal that tried to be more like Dishonored than its predecessors Mimicry is flattering.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185474]Society evolved towards having social norms which encouraged individuals to follow their specific gender roles. It operated in this fashion for thousands of years, with a culture of people seeing each gender a specific way, and generalizing. I dont know why people think we can throw away such a fundamental aspect of our past society without considering the possibility that the new mode of cultural thinking could be worse. And I think it is proving to be worse. Look at the West's declining birth rates. Look at the rampant suicide, loss of motivation, nihilistic young people. I think we operate better having defined roles as people. [editline]23rd April 2016[/editline] "GUYS ITS 2016, I DONT HAVE TO ARGUE" You lefties become the parodies we make of you.[/QUOTE] Just the simple fact that different cultures created different roles for the separate genders is proof you're wrong. Birth rates going down is the result of education, and infant mortality rates going down because birth rates didn't care in relation to the death of the child shortly afterwords. "Nihilistic young people"? Welp, there we go, logical fallacy. Probably one of the oldest ones ever. "These darn kids". Do you have proof we work better in those roles? Because my proof is that women are capable of excelling in the same capacities as men. I have proof of that because I look to the current modern day. What are you going to look back at to prove me wrong? You're going to cherrypick the cultures you want that show the aspects of cultures you enjoy that show you to be right. You will predictably exclude, any and all societies that had women take roles that you don't agree with. You will desparately try to ignore the reality of this situation to spout your babble while pretending to be some intelligent debater. You're not. You're treading age old fallacies and they're so worn out, they're almost reflexively argued away at this point, people like yourself though are not about to take the conclusions you don't like and adopt them just because logically they make more sense. No, you will fit the logic to your conclusion. For this, there is no argument. There is no discussion.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50185509]Just the simple fact that different cultures created different roles for the separate genders is proof you're wrong. Birth rates going down is the result of education, and infant mortality rates going down because birth rates didn't care in relation to the death of the child shortly afterwords. "Nihilistic young people"? Welp, there we go, logical fallacy. Probably one of the oldest ones ever. "These darn kids". Do you have proof we work better in those roles? Because my proof is that women are capable of excelling in the same capacities as men. I have proof of that because I look to the current modern day. What are you going to look back at to prove me wrong? You're going to cherrypick the cultures you want that show the aspects of cultures you enjoy that show you to be right. You will predictably exclude, any and all societies that had women take roles that you don't agree with. You will desparately try to ignore the reality of this situation to spout your babble while pretending to be some intelligent debater. You're not. You're treading age old fallacies and they're so worn out, they're almost reflexively argued away at this point, people like yourself though are not about to take the conclusions you don't like and adopt them just because logically they make more sense. No, you will fit the logic to your conclusion. For this, there is no argument. There is no discussion.[/QUOTE] You can see a general pattern in the way every culture all across the world treated each gender. For instance, why did the vast majority evolve towards monagamy? Why did they all evolve similar marriage practices? And women in the vast majority of cultures are thought of as the stay at home sex. Women are not as capable as men at excelling. For an example, look at the bell curve of IQ for men compared to women. Women's bell curve is a lot tighter. Men have a really wide bell curve. This tells us that the vast majority of 140+ IQ people will be men. Such an IQ is required to excel in certain fields like scientific research. Women also lack testosterone, a chemical that creates a lot of drive/motivation. And it makes sense from an evolutionary perspective too. Men were required to be the risk takers, the doers, the earners, to compete for a female. While females were required to be safer, after all they have to raise a child in their womb for 9 months, they better be sure of the income potential and ability of the father. Women are the choosers.
Yeah you are working off of some fucking out dated info and you clearly refuse to look at anything else.
I just finished watching Parts 1 and 2 and while I wasn't personally interested in Overwatch before, though i found it to look like a fun/good/well designed game, I'd really like to give it a go now!
I see that all that time in the marines left none for education.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50185563]I just finished watching Parts 1 and 2 and while I wasn't personally interested in Overwatch before, though i found it to look like a fun/good/well designed game, I'd really like to give it a go now![/QUOTE] It really is, I found out about the two day stress test week before last week and decided to use it to see what the game what about. It felt like the challenging TF2 I never knew I wanted until it was too late and TF2 was just hats and gimmick servers.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50185563]I just finished watching Parts 1 and 2 and while I wasn't personally interested in Overwatch before, though i found it to look like a fun/good/well designed game, I'd really like to give it a go now![/QUOTE] Same. I wanna try it out when the open-beta happens.
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