My man, you are just checking off all the reactionary talking points like a motherfucker.
"Declining Western birthrates" - DING
"[Assorted BIOTROOF NONSENSE]" - DING
"Bell curve and IQ" - DING
Testosterone is a magical substance that makes you jack-off greatness" - DOUBLE DING
You didn't answer my questions either. Pls answer them, I need the validation.
I have absolutely no fucking idea how in the hell overwatch compares to 90's shooters, if anything I look at it and consider it to a mix of dota and tf2, though I wouldn't go so far as to say overwatch is just tf2.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50185573]It really is, I found out about the two day stress test week before last week and decided to use it to see what the game what about.
It felt like the challenging TF2 I never knew I wanted until it was too late and TF2 was just hats and gimmick servers.[/QUOTE]
nice, i'll have to get the open beta!
also vanilla tf2 owned
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;50185664]nice, i'll have to get the open beta!
also vanilla tf2 owned[/QUOTE]
if you decide to get it shoot me a pm. i'm def looking for peeps to play with
yea im glad this game is going to be my arena shooter replacement
its like a tf2 without all the extra fat and more beauty
played the closed weekend beta and it sold me on it pretty much immediately.
[QUOTE=mooman1080;50185643]I have absolutely no fucking idea how in the hell overwatch compares to 90's shooters, if anything I look at it and consider it to a mix of dota and tf2, though I wouldn't go so far as to say overwatch is just tf2.[/QUOTE]
theres actually alot of classic shooter elements in the game
- No ironsight aiming, you have a crosshair on the screen that doesn't flare
- one of the characters has the quake rocket launcher. one has a lightning gun, etc.
- more vertical-based level design rather than modern horizontal level design
As much as I love TF2, Overwatch does look like a really nice fresh breath of air.
Has there been anything said about how modifiable Overwatch is? I can't see it living as long as TF2 if you can't make custom content.
[QUOTE=Whomobile;50185831]As much as I love TF2, Overwatch does look like a really nice fresh breath of air.
Has there been anything said about how modifiable Overwatch is? I can't see it living as long as TF2 if you can't make custom content.[/QUOTE]
No word about it so far.
[QUOTE=Wii60;50185734]yea im glad this game is going to be my arena shooter replacement
its like a tf2 without all the extra fat and more beauty
played the closed weekend beta and it sold me on it pretty much immediately.
theres actually alot of classic shooter elements in the game
- No ironsight aiming, you have a crosshair on the screen that doesn't flare
- one of the characters has the quake rocket launcher. one has a lightning gun, etc.
- more vertical-based level design rather than modern horizontal level design[/QUOTE]
That doesn't strike me as much of a correlation, the main draw looks to me like hero/class system and each characters unique abilities, which is nothing like a 90's shooter what so ever.
Like tf2 has almost all of those things but does that really make it a 90's shooter? I'd say it's closer than overwatch is at least though. Strikes me that modern shooters have stagnated so much people are making claims about how some old basics suddenly make it old school, but nothing about this game seems old school to me at all.
Holy shit you guys grabbed that bait and ran with it, huh?
Surprised he hasn't been banned yet, though.
[QUOTE=axelord157;50185586]My man, you are just checking off all the reactionary talking points like a motherfucker.
"Declining Western birthrates" - DING
"[Assorted BIOTROOF NONSENSE]" - DING
"Bell curve and IQ" - DING
Testosterone is a magical substance that makes you jack-off greatness" - DOUBLE DING
You didn't answer my questions either. Pls answer them, I need the validation.[/QUOTE]
You forgot the "fucking dumbass sjw lefties" bit
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50185330]You're responding to the fact that the word "sexist" has been made into this massive shame-label, that everyone has been conditioned to have a knee-jerk reaction against. As if someone who sees the genetic differences between the sexes is EVIL. It's a way for people to avoid debate with me, when no one wants to tell me how I'm wrong, just slap the label on and I'm suddenly evil and you've won.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you know what that word actually means :v:
[QUOTE=axelord157;50185385]You want a debate, Mr. Sexist? Answer these preliminary questions first and we'll see:
1.) What makes women in Overwatch unrealistic? Ya know, compared to scientific ape geniuses, German robot knights, and samurai archers in the future?
2.) What makes women unable to be shooters? Hell, toddlers can blast your ass with ease. Look at America. Do you have reliable data to back your claims up besides angrily reacting to the (rightfully deserved title) of sexist?
3.) Does it hurt to be so painfully dull?[/QUOTE]
I already basically addressed your points, but I guess I need to restate them here cause you cant get meaning out of anything not specifically addressed to you.
1. Lets make a new sci fi movie where everyone jerk offs each other to say hello as a normal greeting in their universe, and play it straight like its completely normal. After all, it also will have crazy science stuff like scientific ape geniuses, nothing else needs to align to the real world! The superficial stuff in the universe defines the how realistic it should be in all facets, including characterization! As long as it has laser guns we can have stuff that breaks all meaning it has in real life! Any kind of symbolism we could have, through generally understood cliches and ideas, like having a women character act similarly to real life women in some way, and allow our piece of media to apply to the world, DOES NOT MATTER! FUCK SYMBOLISM AND MEANING, NOTHING MEANS ANYTHING IF ITS SCI FI!
2. 98% of all mass shooters are men, 90% of all murders are done by men. Women are by far way less violent than men. This all could easily be apparent to your mind if you had any capacity for making generalizations and noticing patterns in the world around you. But no, all your senses are overridden by an extreme need to be accepted by the PC shitworld you live in.
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvjDr8KKtsE"]Matt_Casters theme song[/URL]
[QUOTE=usaokay;50185799]I met a ton of Overwatch fans throughout the past months (cause I was wearing some [I]gaming jacket[/I]). Just this week, I randomly met two guys in separate intervals who are hyped up about the game.
I'd say people are really anticipating this more than any other multiplayer PvP shooter out there.[/QUOTE]
Overwatch hype train has huge momentum and doesn't seem to be stopping any time soon
[QUOTE=Shalaska;50185896]Holy shit you guys grabbed that bait and ran with it, huh?
Surprised he hasn't been banned yet, though.[/QUOTE]
Everyone knows, they're just having too much fun with it to not reply.
[QUOTE=judgeofdeath;50186088]I don't think you know what that word actually means :v:[/QUOTE]
Step off your high horse and tell me what it means then. Cause I've come to see that it generally just means "EVIL opinions about women".
or "EVIL opinion that women are different than men"
or "EVIL opinion that women are worse than men in some way"
or "EVIL wanting the genders to keep to their traditional roles"
[editline]23rd April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=axelord157;50185586]My man, you are just checking off all the reactionary talking points like a motherfucker.
"Declining Western birthrates" - DING
"[Assorted BIOTROOF NONSENSE]" - DING
"Bell curve and IQ" - DING
Testosterone is a magical substance that makes you jack-off greatness" - DOUBLE DING
You didn't answer my questions either. Pls answer them, I need the validation.[/QUOTE]
I dont understand how you think this is an argument against me. Because I agree with ideas of people you already have judged as "obviously stupid", I am wrong?
"I EXPECTED YOU TO SAY EXACTLY ALL THIS STUFF CAUSE I KNOW ABOUT PEOPLE WITH YOUR POSITION"
"THEREFORE IVE WON THE ARGUMENT, HAHA, I AM ABOVE YOU CAUSE I KNOW YOUR POINTS"
Never in your post did you refute any of the reactionary talking points you so arrogantly dismissed.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50186151]Step off your high horse and tell me what it means then. Cause I've come to see that it generally just means "EVIL opinions about women".
or "EVIL opinion that women are different than men"
or "EVIL opinion that women are worse than men in some way"
or "EVIL wanting the genders to keep to their traditional roles"[/QUOTE]
Sexism literally has a set definition that generally has had a negative connotation since it's inception since the late 60s. It doesn't suddenly change to meaning "seeing there is a difference between sexes" because you want it to.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50185555]Yeah you are working off of some fucking out dated info and you clearly refuse to look at anything else.[/QUOTE]
I was raised in a world accepting of your ideas. I used to believe in those ideas for the same reasons you did. But I looked deeply into everything and began to understand the real truth.
[QUOTE=Wii60;50185734]theres actually alot of classic shooter elements in the game
- No ironsight aiming, you have a crosshair on the screen that doesn't flare
- one of the characters has the quake rocket launcher. one has a lightning gun, etc.
- more vertical-based level design rather than modern horizontal level design[/QUOTE]
there absolutely is crosshair flaring. soldier 76, tracer, widowmaker, bastion, etc. all their guns have crosshair flaring and weapon spread if you're not burst firing.
[editline]23rd April 2016[/editline]
also it's not an arena shooter lol
[QUOTE=Anderan;50186189]Sexism literally has a set definition that generally has had a negative connotation since it's inception since the late 60s. It doesn't suddenly change to meaning "seeing there is a difference between sexes" because you want it to.[/QUOTE]
Well then I'm "sees there is a difference between sexes", but thats pretty long winded to say. Believe me, I dont like negative connotations connected to it either. But how are you supposed to fight an enemy that just labels you such a negative word to shut you down? One method is to adopt it without shame in an attempt to slowly remove the connotations through sheer desensitization. That's the method I'm taking here.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50186145]
2. 98% of all mass shooters are men, 90% of all murders are done by men. Women are by far way less violent than men. This all could easily be apparent to your mind if you had any capacity for making generalizations and noticing patterns in the world around you. But no, all your senses are overridden by an extreme need to be accepted by the PC shitworld you live in.[/QUOTE]
doesn't this imply that you must also think black people are more violent than white people because of the prison statistics that exist surrounding them?
if you don't agree with that idea then you'd be contradicting yourself.
I don't believe in any of that crap, as a note.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50186215]doesn't this imply that you must also think black people are more violent than white people because of the prison statistics that exist surrounding them?
if you don't agree with that idea then you'd be contradicting yourself.
I don't believe in any of that crap, as a note.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I do agree with that. Why is that wrong? You arent going to find fault in my consistency.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50186238]Yes, I do agree with that. Why is that wrong? You arent going to find fault in my consistency.[/QUOTE]
so you think that black people are more violent than white people
My points just been made :v: I knew you wouldn't have disagree'd with that idea
[QUOTE=J!NX;50186241]so you think that black people are more violent than white people
My points just been made :v:[/QUOTE]
Oh no, did I trigger you and all the Facepunch users by crossing into the dark world with my facts about reality? I hate to break it to you, but the facts don't care about your feelings. Nor do they care about your egalitarian ideals.
You have yet to argue why these facts are not true, which is the entire basis of determining whether or not I'm right about this. All you have to use against me are your pathetic shaming tactics. Like a little child in grade school you only have the ability to bully other people away from their positions through peer pressure.
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50186248]Oh no, did I trigger you and all the Facepunch users by crossing into the dark world with my facts about reality? I hate to break it to you, but the facts don't care about your feelings. Nor do they care about your egalitarian ideals.
You have yet to argue why these facts are not true, which is the entire basis of determining whether or not I'm right about this. All you have to use against me are your pathetic shaming tactics. Like a little child in grade school you only have the ability to bully other people away from their positions through peer pressure.[/QUOTE]
I'm not shaming anyone here. I'm just letting that happen on its own.
I'm not going to argue against someones opinion when they've already made up their mind.
I did get to play Overwatch over the last weekend stress test, and while it was fun, I wouldn't dare say it felt like TF2, everything felt different, from time to kill to gameplay functionality. My favorite class to play as in TF2 is the Demoman, yet playing as Junkrat, who I thought was gonna be the better Demoman didn't even click with me.
While Overwatch is a fun game, it was just that, a fun game. I wouldn't call it anything more than that, and after the stress test going back to TF2 felt like home, honestly.
If you're a fan of both, like me, I suggest you play both games, as both games offer different experiences and satisfactions to the player, or at least they did to me and my other friend who got in the stress test.
Please stop making the argument that "all realism goes out the door, and anything goes in a world where jetpacks and robots and etc. exist." Fiction may be fictional, but it still has to be consistent to tell a story. It's called suspension of disbelief and it's why more audience members have a problem with Clark Kent's disguise (a pair of glasses), rather than his ability to fly and have a weakness to glowing rocks.
So, when presented with the claim that "women in war is unrealistic", your first response shouldn't be to point out any and all SciFi elements in the setting, in an effort to make the argument sound minor in comparison.
No, your response should have been "it's not our universe, and whatever explanations you come up with, whether or not they're valid in our world, may not apply in Overwatch's." Plus, some of these characters wear power armor.
It's not like women as warriors is some sort of brand new SJW concept anyways
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_warriors_in_folklore[/url]
[QUOTE=Hypershadsy;50186265]it's why more audience members have a problem with Clark Kent's disguise (a pair of glasses)[/QUOTE]
Thinking that Clark Kents disguise is dumb is like, a billion times more reasonable than believing that women in a battle is "Unrealistic" because females literally have been in warzones before. It's not some sort of unfeasible horrific concept. However the idea that glasses magically makes him not superman is absurd unless everyone around him, including his closest companion who is literally detective tier reporter, are totally brain-dead.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50186257]I'm not shaming anyone here. I'm just letting that happen on its own.
I'm not going to argue against someones opinion when they've already made up their mind.[/QUOTE]
The biggest reason for arguing (in my opinion) is putting your own ideas to the test, so that you can iterate upon them slowly over time, to be open to the possibility of changing your own mind. If over-time you find that your opponents are hard to counter and hold a seemingly more-truthful interpretation of reality, then you change your ideas. It's a process of self improvement which anyone who thinks they have the right to make judgments about reality needs to adopt, or they need to stop holding opinions at all in such matters.
[editline]23rd April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Anderan;50186269]It's not like women as warriors is some sort of brand new SJW concept anyways
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_warriors_in_folklore[/url][/QUOTE]
Usually, when a woman is presented as a warrior in some piece of fiction or folklore, they represent her has a weird outlier that forms the entire premise of the story. Like "Weird woman who becomes a warrior and goes into a normally male world" For instance, Mulan tells this story. It's the classic fish out of water tale. Or the woman is a god or something. Or it's just a piece of sexy fantasy to appeal to men, like Lara Croft or Metroid to a lesser extent.
Overwatch having about 50% of the warriors in the game being women, and that being presented as a completely normal situation, is where it gets disconnected from our core ideas in reality. But I suppose Overwatch is kind of a sexy fantasy for men.
(I'm not a big fan of that trope being applied personally, cause the men who play these games become more susceptible to egalitarianism as applied to the sexes. As Ive stated Im an old school traditionalist so it's not dissonant to be against this "femme fatale" trope seeing as how it really is a modern phenomena)
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50186276]The biggest reason for arguing (in my opinion) is putting your own ideas to the test, so that you can iterate upon them slowly over time, to be open to the possibility of changing your own mind. If over-time you find that your opponents are hard to counter and hold a seemingly more-truthful interpretation of reality, then you change your ideas. It's a process of self improvement which anyone who thinks they have the right to make judgments about reality needs to adopt, or they need to stop holding opinions at all in such matters.[/QUOTE]
If this method results in me saying stuff like
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50186248]Oh no, did I trigger you and all the Facepunch users by crossing into the dark world with my facts about reality?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=matt_caster;50186198]I was raised in a world accepting of your ideas. I used to believe in those ideas for the same reasons you did. But I looked deeply into everything and began to understand the real truth.[/QUOTE]
then i think im good thanks
[QUOTE=Duck M.;50186292]If this method results in me saying stuff like
then i think im good thanks[/QUOTE]
More grade school shaming from the intellectuals of facepunch. You so condescendingly put-down opposing viewpoints! You must be right!
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