Florida man gets beaten and arrested for refusing to roll down window at a traffic stop - General

Poor Florida Man :c

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;45809579]if you're so paranoid that the cop will shoot you if you roll down your window when he asks you for your license and registration, roll the window down enough to slide the documents through the crack, not sit there like an idiot waving it around saying "HERE'S YOUR PAPERS". also don't refuse an officer when he asks you to step out of your car.[/QUOTE] He did have his window cracked. And you don't have to comply when an officer asks you to step out of your car for no good reason. "Just do exactly what the cops tell you regardless of your rights if you don't want an ass kicking." :smile:

I'm seriously considering never to set my foot in the US because of incidents like this one.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;45813195]He did have his window cracked. And you don't have to comply when an officer asks you to step out of your car for no good reason. "Just do exactly what the cops tell you regardless of your rights if you don't want an ass kicking." :smile:[/QUOTE] Maybe that works for more extreme things, but it's literally just a fucking traffic stop. The guy was being an obstinant dickweed who had to try and show how big he was, and he got what was coming for being a moron and refusing to follow simple, harmless orders. You're acting like the cop had his pistol pointed at him.

[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;45813195]He did have his window cracked. And you don't have to comply when an officer asks you to step out of your car for no good reason. "Just do exactly what the cops tell you regardless of your rights if you don't want an ass kicking." :smile:[/QUOTE] He had a reason, so yea he did have to get out the car.

An Officer can ask you to step out of your car, 99.99% of the time it's an order you must obey. You make sure you lock your doors and roll up your windows otherwise you are giving him direct access to search your car after you leave it. Doesn't give him a right to just search your body either when you step out.

[QUOTE=SnakeHead;45812303]US law enforcement are not here to protect you, nor are they legally obliged to. They're here to enforce the law.[/QUOTE] "To protect and serve" - the LAPD's motto

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;45813607]An Officer can ask you to step out of your car, 99.99% of the time it's an order you must obey. You make sure you lock your doors and roll up your windows otherwise you are giving him direct access to search your car after you leave it. Doesn't give him a right to just search your body either when you step out.[/QUOTE] That's pretty weird.

[QUOTE=Sharker;45809507]People seem to forget that cops are here to protect us and just because there are a few bad apples that doesn't change that fact.[/QUOTE] Doesn't change the fact that police officers are people with badges, and that officer was a thug if i've ever saw one.

Basically, from what I gathered from all those "X gets arrested/beaten up/tasered/maced/cuffed for y" is that when a US cop asks ANYTHING of you, you pretty much have to comply or expect to get arrested/beaten up/tasered/maced/cuffed, no matter how wrong, unlawful or degrading it may be. I mean, only a real dickhead would give a police officer just doing his job a hard time, but the frequency and intensity at which I hear this advise makes me think that there are just too many windows for dickheads to be dickheads on the side of the cops.

What's all this about "attacked" and "beaten"? Yeah, it's unreasonable that they threatened to break the window if he didn't get out of the car, and yeah they violated his rights, but there's no evidence in this video of any violence.

[QUOTE=Larikang;45816510]What's all this about "attacked" and "beaten"? Yeah, it's unreasonable that they threatened to break the window if he didn't get out of the car, and yeah they violated his rights, but there's no evidence in this video of any violence.[/QUOTE] What right did they violate? They pulled him over for a traffic stop and he refused to comply. You don't have the right to refuse a lawful order from an officer. He refused to present documentation. Believe it or not holding it out of reach of the officer is not properly presenting it, for all the officer knows that they are fake and the guy is refusing to let the officer get a better look for that exact reason. At that point hes committing a crime and the officer has every right to get into the vehicle to pull him out.

[QUOTE=CubeManv2;45813607]An Officer can ask you to step out of your car, 99.99% of the time it's an order you must obey. You make sure you lock your doors and roll up your windows otherwise you are giving him direct access to search your car after you leave it. Doesn't give him a right to just search your body either when you step out.[/QUOTE] Thats not true, police can search your car if you give them permission or probable cause. Not closing the door doesn't consent to a search [editline]27th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=HybridTheroy;45814355]Doesn't change the fact that police officers are people with badges, and that officer was a thug if i've ever saw one.[/QUOTE] How was he a thug? He was getting pissed he was having to deal with some shit head

[QUOTE=Sharker;45809507]People seem to forget that cops are here to protect us and just because there are a few bad apples that doesn't change that fact.[/QUOTE] Im actually feel more paranoid than safe when i see a cop around.

If only there was a button in his car that could have rolled down his window and prevented this

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;45809453]the guy was antagonizing the police and refused to comply.[/QUOTE] You seems to agree that cop should beat people for every reasons.

[QUOTE=insistent;45819746]You seems to agree that cop should beat people for every reasons.[/QUOTE] Once again, where was he beat?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;45819789]Once again, where was he beat?[/QUOTE] okay, if he was beat, would you still have the same opinion? and do you think that using beating as a threat (as the cop did, essentially) is okay as long as he doesn't actually?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;45819789]Once again, where was he beat?[/QUOTE] You MAY not see it in the video, but you know it still happen everywhere.

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;45816653]What right did they violate? They pulled him over for a traffic stop and he refused to comply. You don't have the right to refuse a lawful order from an officer. He refused to present documentation. Believe it or not holding it out of reach of the officer is not properly presenting it, for all the officer knows that they are fake and the guy is refusing to let the officer get a better look for that exact reason. At that point hes committing a crime and the officer has every right to get into the vehicle to pull him out.[/QUOTE] He offered it through cracked open window. The officer got pissy and told him to get out, which he legally doesn't have to do.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;45822552]He offered it through cracked open window. The officer got pissy and told him to get out, which he legally doesn't have to do.[/QUOTE] Depends. We only see the second half of the traffic stop, the part directly after the first time the cop comes to speak with him. If he refused to roll down the window at all he would have been obstructing justice, which would be grounds for ordering him to get out of the vehicle. Without seeing the first part of the stop it becomes hard to tell the validity of ordering him to get out.

Idk about you guys but if a cop pulled me over and told me to roll down my window, i'd fucking do it instead of being a smartass and rolling it down partway just because "muh rights"

So this person failed to pull over when signaled by the police and drove to his house. Then instead of just rolling down the window and following basic instructions he decided he wanted to do his own thing. Guess what, he reaped what he sowed. Even if the traffic stop was a bad stop, you don't use the fucking street as your court room. Let whatever is gonna happen, happen..then you fight it in court. Doing shit like this is only going to escalate the situation. Instead people want to do shit like this and then blame the police, only person this person needs to blame is himself.

0:40 [video=youtube;_f4SXRMKzW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f4SXRMKzW8[/video]

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;45816653]What right did they violate? They pulled him over for a traffic stop and he refused to comply. You don't have the right to refuse a lawful order from an officer. He refused to present documentation. Believe it or not holding it out of reach of the officer is not properly presenting it, for all the officer knows that they are fake and the guy is refusing to let the officer get a better look for that exact reason. At that point hes committing a crime and the officer has every right to get into the vehicle to pull him out.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.aclu.org/drug-law-reform-immigrants-rights-racial-justice/know-your-rights-what-do-if-you#3[/url] [quote]If an officer or immigration agent asks to look inside your car, you can refuse to consent to the search. But if police believe your car contains evidence of a crime, your car can be searched without your consent.[/quote] Nowhere in the video do the officers indicate that he is being investigated for a crime or is under arrest so he is legally refusing a search of person and vehicle. And where is he "refusing" to let the officer see his documents? He's slipping them through the window, and the officer [i]refuses[/i] to take them unless he rolls it all the way down. The [b]only[/b] situation where you must comply with the police is if they place you under arrest.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;45822552]He offered it through cracked open window. The officer got pissy and told him to get out, which he legally doesn't have to do.[/QUOTE] Yea, he actually does have to do it. [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Larikang;45824700] The [b]only[/b] situation where you must comply with the police is if they place you under arrest.[/QUOTE] That's totally not true and I think you know that because its a pretty fucking stupid statement. Next time you are getting pulled over for a speeding ticket just keep going, hes not arresting you right?

Yeah, you're right. I phrased that really poorly. Obviously you can't just run away from the police if they're trying to stop and talk to you. That would certainly give them probable cause to arrest you. But a cop can't [i]force[/i] you to stop and talk without arresting you.

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;45822752]Idk about you guys but if a cop pulled me over and told me to roll down my window, i'd fucking do it instead of being a smartass and rolling it down partway just because "muh rights"[/QUOTE] He's rather lucky, too, IMO, that they didn't shoot him after he turned off the lights and started fumbling around with things in the center console. Could have been his phone, could have been a knife or a gun, too.

[QUOTE=Larikang;45831188]Yeah, you're right. I phrased that really poorly. Obviously you can't just run away from the police if they're trying to stop and talk to you. That would certainly give them probable cause to arrest you. But a cop can't [i]force[/i] you to stop and talk without arresting you.[/QUOTE] Yes they can, they can detain you for a certain amount of time in relation to what they are investigating.

[QUOTE=Larikang;45831188]Yeah, you're right. I phrased that really poorly. Obviously you can't just run away from the police if they're trying to stop and talk to you. That would certainly give them probable cause to arrest you. But a cop can't [i]force[/i] you to stop and talk without arresting you.[/QUOTE] They can detain you if they suspect you of committing a crime. If they don't plan on charging you with a crime, they have no right to detain you. I seriously don't get how everyone here is like "Got what was coming to him." "Lucky he didn't get shot." Being stopped, profiled, searched without probable cause is a violation of civil liberties. I really hope that none of you experience police harassment in your lifetime, but you have no idea what it's like not being able to trust the people who seem to think they have absolute power over you.