[QUOTE=Beluntz;42748970]She stepped to a man's level, so she is treated as such :dance:[/QUOTE]
so what, women aren't on the same level as men until they start trying to fight people?
sorry about the standard issue facepunch whiteknightery but that's a super creepy way of putting it
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;42756154]i fail to see why "being treated like a man" necessitates being punched in the face. being a drunken dickhead that is violent to others shouldn't be what makes you a man. people jokingly go "lol gender equality m8" but the fact that physical violence is one of the only ways that people feel comfortable allowing gender equality is hugely disturbing
i'm not excusing her actions, nor am i excusing his. she tried to kick him in the balls but it's clear she didn't land it. being the "man" he was he had to punch her in the face for it?[/QUOTE]
How about "start get, get shit"
Okay, yes its obvious she missed, but she showed enough hostile intent to attempt it. I'll lay money that if he hadn't reacted to it she'd have tried again until he reacted.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;42756154]
i'm not excusing her actions, nor am i excusing his. she tried to kick him in the balls but it's clear she didn't land it. being the "man" he was he had to punch her in the face for it?[/QUOTE]
Uh? She edged her way over and purposely attempted to kick his gonads, and in an [B]immediate[/B] response he hit her back. I doubt he went through some long process weighing how masculine it'd be to punch her, you never know how you're going to act in a tense situation such as that. She initiated with the lowest of blows and then continued hostility after his quick response, it doesn't even matter what gender people are when you're that stupid.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;42756154]i fail to see why "being treated like a man" necessitates being punched in the face. being a drunken dickhead that is violent to others shouldn't be what makes you a man. people jokingly go "lol gender equality m8" but the fact that physical violence is one of the only ways that people feel comfortable allowing gender equality is hugely disturbing
i'm not excusing her actions, nor am i excusing his. she tried to kick him in the balls but it's clear she didn't land it. being the "man" he was he had to punch her in the face for it?[/QUOTE]
except we're talking about the more literal "man" (an actual male), not the manly and honorable "man" (the "be a man about it" kind of man)
um am i the only one who's really worried by the reaction in this thread? it's pretty fuckin scary
[quote]dumb bitch wants to fight that's what she got[/quote]
[quote]"Women deserve equal rights and lefts"[/quote]
[quote]thinking she's safe because she's a girl, bitch got what she deserved[/quote]
[quote]why does she think it's ok to kick him in the dick[/quote]
how can any of you claim to have an understanding of what was going through that girl's head? how can you have any idea that she thought "i can kick a man and i can get away with it because i am a girl haha silly men i will crush your willies". how can you claim that she thinks she's safe because she's a girl? for all we know she thought she was going into a toe-to-toe fight with that guy
the only person in that entire video who makes this a gender issue is someone in the vicinity of the camera making a stupid comment. none of you have any idea why the guy and the girl were fighting. none of you have any idea what the motives of the girl or the guy were
i'm not excusing anyone in that video's actions and yeh the girl who commentates behind the camera is fucking stupid but the fact that fp made this a gender issue targeted directly at the girl in the fight, despite that girl not having any audible remarks or motives in the video, is really creepy
[editline]4th November 2013[/editline]
you're literally cheering that someone got punched in the face based on wild assumptions about her personality, despite the fact we can barely see her face and you can't hear anything she says in the video
tbh what you're saying only applies to the last two quotes. the second one is a joke, and the first one never says anything about her thinking she could get away with it
It's always reassuring to go on Facepunch and observe the celebration of violence against women. Was she, in her current state, going to kill the guy or hurt him in a lasting way? No. All of those people surrounding her would make sure that any cheap shots she dealt would remain pretty tame. The question is, who can inflict more damage in an instant, the dude in green or her?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;42756433]tbh what you're saying only applies to the last two quotes. the second one is a joke, and the first one never says anything about her thinking she could get away with it[/QUOTE]
the first two quotes still make a gender issue out of a situation where there shouldn't be a gender issue:
[I]person attacks person. other person attacks back[/I]
that is the ONLY thing i see in that video. instead, facepunch members looking for an excuse to belittle women and cry foul of "double standards" see:
[I]evil bitch attacks passive man, assuming she can get away with it because she is using her femininity to her advantage[/I]
that is fucking creepy
[editline]4th November 2013[/editline]
and yes this is irrelevant to the fact that it looks like a 6'6"-ish heavy-build person fought with probably excessive force against someone much smaller, probably intoxicated, and while having a physical barrier of a doorway and multiple other people between them and the assailant
but that is still an issue regardless of gender
well sure, that makes sense. i still dont think the first post makes it a gender issue though, as you could easily swap out "dumb bitch" for "dickhead" if the video showed a guy getting punched through a glass
and since we're on the topic of people bringing up gender issues where there should be none, doesnt this do the same?
[QUOTE=cepko33;42756434]It's always reassuring to go on Facepunch and observe the celebration of violence against women. Was she, in her current state, going to kill the guy or hurt him in a lasting way? No. All of those people surrounding her would make sure that any cheap shots she dealt would remain pretty tame. The question is, who can inflict more damage in an instant, the dude in green or her?[/QUOTE]
obviously not blaming chestymcgee for what cepko is saying, but if i was a weak guy that tried to kick some huge dude in the balls, failing or not, i wouldnt expect him to hold back on me; angry (and possibly drunk) people tend to have difficulties thinking about consequences
[QUOTE=The DooD;42746380]
[sp]Facepunch appreciates hitting women.[/sp][/QUOTE]
i don't appreciate jonny at the factory coming home from work to beat his wife because he had a hard day on the grind. i do appreciate jane, 17 in february, getting punched through a window after an unprovoked kick towards the balls.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;42756574]you could easily swap out "dumb bitch" for "dickhead" if the video showed a guy getting punched through a glass[/quote]
that's why it's a gender issue. he didn't use a middleground insult - he chose an insult that is, for the most part, directed specifically at women
[quote]and since we're on the topic of people bringing up gender issues where there should be none, doesnt this do the same?[/quote]
yeh i agree with you there tbh. although i think the guy in green probably acted with unnecessary force, i would probably have done the same in that situation. you're drunk, adrenaline is running, someone keeps hitting you, why the hell wouldn't you punch them back? regardless of the fact that they might weight 60kg and you might weight 80
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;42756461]the first two quotes still make a gender issue out of a situation where there shouldn't be a gender issue:
[I]person attacks person. other person attacks back[/I]
that is the ONLY thing i see in that video. instead, facepunch members looking for an excuse to belittle women and cry foul of "double standards" see:
[I]evil bitch attacks passive man, assuming she can get away with it because she is using her femininity to her advantage[/I]
that is fucking creepy
[editline]4th November 2013[/editline]
and yes this is irrelevant to the fact that it looks like a 6'6"-ish heavy-build person fought with probably excessive force against someone much smaller, probably intoxicated, and while having a physical barrier of a doorway and multiple other people between them and the assailant
but that is still an issue regardless of gender[/QUOTE]
I see your point and I agree that gender shouldn't play a role in this at all, ideally, but it does. Both the man and the woman got hit twice, but the girl was backed up while the man was held back by the bystanders. Naturally you're going to get a reaction about double standards because they were present in the video.
i dont really see that? it looks like both parties are being held back and, regardless, in the second video the fight spills out onto the street and seems to involve a really big group of people. i don't even think the guy in the green was involved properly. the reasons for either party being held back/egged on could be down to a lot of things. gender could be one of them, the other could be the reasons behind why the fight started. the type of friends backing either party up could make a big difference too
anyways i can understand why the guy was being held back toward the end of the video cos, you know, the person he hit had just fallen through a window lmao. i'm pretty sure in most situations if a guy punched another guy through a window, people would be saying "okay okay i think that's enough now"
it was a punch for a punch, it's not like he jumped on her. I don't think he used unnecessary force.
I wouldn't attack back if I was attacked.
And I don't know why you people think that "a punch for a punch" is acceptable.
[QUOTE=Killuah;42758093]I wouldn't attack back if I was attacked.
And I don't know why you people think that "a punch for a punch" is acceptable.[/QUOTE]
So you'd just give up and be beat to death? Just look at the dude getting kicked while laying down.
[QUOTE=Killuah;42758093]I wouldn't attack back if I was attacked.
And I don't know why you people think that "a punch for a punch" is acceptable.[/QUOTE]
She had hostile intent, enough so to attack [I]again[/I] after he made it clear she was outmatched.
If she didn't want to get hit back, she shouldn't have started anything.
He seemed perfectly content with standing there and blocking entry for whatever reason there was to block entry to that particular shop.
It's unfortunate that she went through the window, but when you repeatedly try to hurt someone you and the floor are going to meet fast.
[QUOTE=Killuah;42758093]I wouldn't attack back if I was attacked.
And I don't know why you people think that "a punch for a punch" is acceptable.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Thaard;42758117]So you'd just give up and be beat to death? Just look at the dude getting kicked while laying down.[/QUOTE]
that's completely different circumstances.
[QUOTE=Thaard;42758117]So you'd just give up and be beat to death? Just look at the dude getting kicked while laying down.[/QUOTE]
Yes I'd be beaten to death by that girl.
Or I'd look what happens, mind my own stuff and if she doesn't give up, dodge her attacks.
There's a difference between defence and punching back.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42758156]
If she didn't want to get hit back, she shouldn't have started anything.
[/QUOTE]
That's for sure but that doesn't mean the guy HAS to punch her back.
I just don't see why you guys think it's somehow more right to go "an eye for an eye" than knowing you're stronger and shrugg it off.
This is what I got from the posts at least.
[QUOTE=Killuah;42758337]That's for sure but that doesn't mean the guy HAS to punch her back.
I just don't see why you guys think it's somehow more right to go "an eye for an eye" than knowing you're stronger and shrugg it off.
This is what I got from the posts at least.[/QUOTE]
Different people have different reactions.
Not a big discovery but something everyone should think about in these situations.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;42758313]What are you the Flash?
Or do you mean you're just going to leave cause that at least makes sense[/QUOTE]
Well yeah. And as I said, defending from a punch is different to hitting the other person AFTER the person attacks you.
[editline]4th November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42758355]Different people have different reactions.
Not a big discovery but something everyone should think about in these situations.[/QUOTE]
What are you even saying.
[QUOTE=Killuah;42758357]Well yeah. And as I said, defending from a punch is different to hitting the other person AFTER the person attacks you.
[editline]4th November 2013[/editline]
What are you even saying.[/QUOTE]
out of interest have you ever been attacked
[QUOTE=Killuah;42758357]What are you even saying.[/QUOTE]
A person gets punched.
Depending on that person's personality, that person will react as such:
1. Punch back;
2. Ask why he got punched;
3. Run;
4. Cry;
5. Get knocked out;
6. Perform Nessun Dorma in a fit of rage;
7. Call the police;
8. Etc.
[QUOTE]That's for sure but that doesn't mean the guy HAS to punch her back.
I just don't see why you guys think it's somehow more right to go "an eye for an eye" than knowing you're stronger and shrugg it off.[/QUOTE]
The post I replied in case you have problems understanding further.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;42758368]out of interest have you ever been attacked[/QUOTE]
Yes. We called the cops. The guy got into trouble and I even got some money out of that.
What has this to do with an argument about morale? It's an annecdote.
[editline]4th November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42758409]A person gets punched.
Depending on that person's personality, that person will react as such:
1. Punch back;
2. Ask why he got punched;
3. Run;
4. Cry;
5. Get knocked out;
6. Perform Nessun Dorma in a fit of rage;
7. Call the police;
8. Etc.
The post I replied in case you have problems understanding further.[/QUOTE]
Yes but we are discussing whether it's right or not to punch someone back instead of just defending from the punches.
It's like two salesmen argueing what car colour is bought the most and you bail in and say "hey guys there are red cars, green cars, yellow cars, blue cars, black cars...."
What's your point against mine, which is "By punching someone who just punched you you are not much better"
[QUOTE=Killuah;42758412]What's your point against mine, which is "By punching someone who just punched you you are not much better"[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by "being better" though?
[editline]4th November 2013[/editline]
You're taking too long to answer, fuck it
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[QUOTE=LiquidBullet;42749438][media][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEsmEYEHbgk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEsmEYEHbgk[/URL][/media]
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It looked like they were raving out there, not brawling.
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