• 7 Ways to Maximize Misery
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[QUOTE=J!NX;52295933]I know the job market is shit but have you at least been looking? if you aren't looking at all then you're a giant idiot for complaining. No seriously, shut the hell up. if you are actively looking then damn, I wish you luck, the market IS shit after all[/QUOTE] I have, as per my welfare conditions. But do to not having a stable home address it's making it really difficult
[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;52295935]He chose the message and chose to articulate it this way, he is responsible for the response. The only way I can see this being educational is if you've lived your whole life this way and simply don't know better.[/QUOTE] No, he is not responsible for the response it garners. If people are going to act irrationaly to a pretty neutral video then that is on the viewership. People aren't children and can make their own choiced
[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;52295917]Yeah nice assumptions there, but I've been diagnosed with major depression, it IS crippling. It's a mission to get out of bed. Yeah I go for walks, but I don't enjoy it. Because I can't enjoy anything, and that is not a choice.[/QUOTE] I don't think CGP Grey ever claimed he could fix your depression with this video. I'm sorry that you have a depression, but he didn't make this video to shit on you as a person or on the depressed in general, so take a chill. Depression is a mental illness, being unhappy isn't - this video wasn't aiming to be a "7 STEPS TO GET OUT OF DEPRESSION", it's aimed at helping people be more happy. Still, obviously some of it will apply to depression - I have a hard time believing that setting small, realistic goals and reaching them is a bad tip for anyone. Obviously it's not equally easy for everyone, though.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52295938]You're contradicting yourself, you say its not helpful but you've also said that if you could actually pursue the advice it would help. You're saying its not helpful because the advice doesnt specifcally apply to you, isn't that a well, aside from being wrong, selfish point of view? You're also assuming everyone has a high level of emotional intelligence, you'd be surprised how many people dont realize doing jack shit will make them feel like shit. A lot of people in this world consider people who just do jack shit freeloaders living the high life, even.[/QUOTE] It's insulting because I was living good before, THEN my life became this. I don't need to be told what I'm doing because is making me miserable because it's not, it's the other way around
[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;52295881]Time to go pick a job from the job tree that just hands out jobs[/QUOTE] I know perfectly well that looking for a job is not the same as finding it, but it's a start. [QUOTE=a-k-t-w;52295917]Yeah nice assumptions there, but I've been diagnosed with major depression, it IS crippling. It's a mission to get out of bed. Yeah I go for walks, but I don't enjoy it. Because I can't enjoy anything, and that is not a choice.[/QUOTE] So you say you go for walks after saying you don't have money to leave the house? You're contradicting yourself already, lying to random people you don't know to defend the situation you're in isn't the best course of action to tackle depression.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;52295956]Buddy, have you at any point stopped to think that [I]maybe[/I] this video has nothing to do with you? If you've been diagnosed with depression that you describe as crippling, why would you care about the message in this video that much? The video is based on book that's instead of being one of those " 10 easy steps to be the happiest person with the biggest dick " it's the opposite of it, so that if you wish [I]not[/I] to be miserable you can you know, do the opposite.[/QUOTE] I'm frustrated because in my eyes this guy is telling me it's my fault, is it really that hard to understand why I'm upset? [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;52295955]I know perfectly well that looking for a job is not the same as finding it, but it's a start. So you say you go for walks after saying you don't have money to leave the house? You're contradicting yourself already, lying to random people you don't know to defend the situation you're in isn't the best course of action to tackle depression.[/QUOTE] I don't mean literally not being able to leave the house Jesus, I mean going out and LIVING. Like I can't put fuel in my car and go see friends and do fun shit with my whole $0 in my account
[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;52295951]It's insulting because I was living good before, THEN my life became this. I don't need to be told what I'm doing because is making me miserable because it's not, it's the other way around[/QUOTE] But you're the one choosing to be insulted by an irrelevent video. You don't seriously expect everyone everywhere to build a safe space around you, exactly meeting your level of experience and knowledge do you? Why even watch a video like this, in that case? were you hoping there would actually be some magic solution and you're dissapointed you didnt find it?
[QUOTE=Melnek;52295937]stop acting like major depression is untreatable. there are entire books written specifically on the subject, people who have careers that revolve around the study of mental health, specifically depression. there are so many methods of treatment that even a lifetime isn't enough to try each and every one. i see people hide behind "im depressed, you dont know what its like, nothing can ever fix me im broken and its a mental disease so my life choices whatever they may be cant be criticized" rhetorics all the damn time. hell, even i hid behind it. but it's a pile of bullshit that we made up. we made it up because it makes us feel comfortable, because it promotes a mindset that hinges on removing guilt. nothing is ever your fault, it's all the fault of that gosh darn depression. there is nothing that can be done so i'll just be miserable and spread misery unto others wherever i go. it's all bullshit and you know it. all you are doing is fueling your defense mechanisms by constantly repelling any fucking advice on the basis that "you didnt choose any of it". so what? life isn't supposed to be fair or easy.[/QUOTE] Stop putting words in my mouth, where did I say depression is not treatable? Im being treated but it's not fixed overnight and staying in bed all day is a symptom, not the fucking cause. I'm saying this video doesn't help jack shit for anyond depressed. [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mattk50;52295976]But you're the one choosing to be insulted by an irrelevent video. You don't seriously expect everyone everywhere to build a safe space around you, exactly meeting your level of experience and knowledge do you? Why even watch a video like this, in that case? were you hoping there would actually be some magic solution and you're dissapointed you didnt find it?[/QUOTE] I'm really not getting where you guys are coming from. Are you suddenly enlightened by this video? If not, then why are YOU commenting on it if it doesn't apply to you? I got every right to be offended if someone is putting out something that is "help" but is actually degrading.
[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;52295956]Buddy, have you at any point stopped to think that [I]maybe[/I] this video has nothing to do with you? If you've been diagnosed with depression that you describe as crippling, why would you care about the message in this video that much? The video is based on book that's instead of being one of those " 10 easy steps to be the happiest person with the biggest dick " it's the opposite of it, so that if you wish [I]not[/I] to be miserable you can you know, do the opposite.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mattk50;52295976]But you're the one choosing to be insulted by an irrelevent video. You don't seriously expect everyone everywhere to build a safe space around you, exactly meeting your level of experience and knowledge do you? Why even watch a video like this, in that case? were you hoping there would actually be some magic solution and you're dissapointed you didnt find it?[/QUOTE] Can you really hold a depressed individual to the same standards as someone who isn't? No fucking shit he isn't thinking 100% completely rationally, he's depressed. Depressed people say the shit they do, because they're emotionally whipped and usually can't think straight. stop trying to find deep logical fallacies in someone who pretty clearly can't think straight. Instead, maybe give him advice and reassurance.
Pretty glad how i have strayed away from most of his points since the last year as i recently found a nice hobby outdoor, take more walks and basically spent a max of 3 hours a day behind my PC screen, tho right now i have holiday so for the last week i have been indoor being a caveman and fuck i feel like shit [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=a-k-t-w;52295836]What a piece of shit video. So now it's my fault I got depressed and starting living like this. Fuck this guy so much[/QUOTE] These videos are not a personal attack or anything mate. Being a dick like this won't get you anywhere
a-k t-w, this video wasn't directed to you personally nor was it created for you personally. If you don't think it applies to your situation, but to people in superficially similar yet profoundly different situations, there's not reason to take it as a personal attack.
Alright I overeacted. When I clicked on the video I thought it was interesting, as we all strive to be happy. How miserable could you be if you tried? But what I got instead was not a tutorial on how to be miserable, but feel good bullshit. It simply pointed out that what I'm doing is making me miserable, which is not true at all. My life was the complete opposite to whats shown in the video, but then I got dragged down by some serious shit. All those things shown in the video is a symptom of what I'm going through, not intentional life style choices. In no way did I chose to live like this or try or justify my actions and just blaming depression. And that is why I'm upset.
I fully understand how it can be seen in that light, but the video is intended for the opposite. [video=youtube;8qGCAE1jte8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qGCAE1jte8[/video]
[QUOTE=Callinstead;52296053]I fully understand how it can be seen in that light, but the video is intended for the opposite. [video=youtube;8qGCAE1jte8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qGCAE1jte8[/video][/QUOTE] Ah ok. I guess making a positive message using negativity just rubbed me the wrong way. I can see now that he was just trying something different. I'm sorry.
Alright, I'm gonna make sure to use this video to my advantage. I think I've been doing this a lot lately (heck please don't look at my attached twitter account) I should turn things around. When he goes on about looking at a screen, what about things such as discord, keeping social connections and just talking about things? Is that a negative thing or?
I'm honestly surprised how many people took this video at face value. This video was [b]blithely[/b] obvious in its use of reverse psychology. It goes out of its way to explain why doing things a certain way make people miserable, and how [b]not[/b] doing those things makes people happy. And then it says "make the miserable choice." Hell, at one point, he even purposefully gives up the ghost with the bird-house metaphor: "If you improve your ship, then the bird of happiness will land without you even looking for it. Err, so, uhh, don't do that." The only way he could have made this more ham-fisted is if he literally inserted a picture of a man named "Ed" with his fist in a ham. :vs:
It did wake me up a bit on my life style but I grew up a introverted Hermit, I had trouble making friends and I didn't get the friend group I have now till late high school. I spent a lot of time playing video games or just reading inside, it's why I'm trying to get a job in IT. That and there's not much to do here and it's dangerous depending on where you're at, so staying inside isn't something I mind, though cabin fever does get me if I don't go out for about a day for at least five minutes so I just let my dogs run around the yard in the mean time. The only depression type reason I loath my static life style is weight gain since I don't eat bad I just never burn any calories I gain. Luckily the Mrs has been pushing me to go out more on walks and bike rides. I still needed this video for me to realize motivation wise why I never feel anything so I'm still glad I watched this.
I was feeling pretty bad because I failed an exam yesterday and I still have 3 hard ones to go, I couldn't concentrate to study more cause I was that panicked. Then I took this video's (implicit) advice and went outside to play with my dogs for a few minutes, I instantly got better. Now I can focus again thanks op
Likewise, I was also inspired to go outside. Explored around an abandoned building, found an injured duck, called the animal protection, and well, now at least he won't have to suffer through the night. Thanks op, I guess...
Having anxiety and depression sucks, but the short time I got into a habit of getting more active physically and taking on hobbies slower was really helpful to me. I recently slipped out of this habit, but now I have even more determination to get back to where I was. I felt happier in general. This is spot on.
It really does work. As soon as I'm healed I'm going to start running again.
Recently got out of a bad sleep schedule and I feel so much better. I had no idea shit sleeping patters caused a lot of the stress I had. Always thought if I got 8 hours it didn't matter when I got sleep. Holy shit was I wrong
Good to know I'm doing everything right [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] It's tricky cuz any one of these things, if bad enough, will cause all the others and feed into itself. If I didn't have moderate insomnia which randomly and unpredictably alters my sleep schedule, I wouldn't be so tired, and my PTSD is worse when I'm tired, which leads to more nightmares, which leads to worse sleep, and all this adds to depression, and so on, and so on. Each element is circular with at least one other.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52295989]Can you really hold a depressed individual to the same standards as someone who isn't? No fucking shit he isn't thinking 100% completely rationally, he's depressed. Depressed people say the shit they do, because they're emotionally whipped and usually can't think straight. stop trying to find deep logical fallacies in someone who pretty clearly can't think straight. Instead, maybe give him advice and reassurance.[/QUOTE] There are periods i've had arguments and discussions in various contexts while dealing with depression, im glad nobody treated me differently for it, then again i don't mention it. I believe people prefer to be held to the same standard regardless of whatever issues they are dealing with at the time. Being depressed doesn't make you stupid, it makes you irrational when it comes to a set of issues, but your rationality doesn't go away. Bringing the rationality back towards those areas of life can help clear the fog in my experience. or im just a dick idk u folks decide
[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;52295881]Oh for sure I love spending all day walking ??? Are you guys serious? [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] Time to go pick a job from the job tree that just hands out jobs[/QUOTE] Look dude, if you want this to be an attack on you, it is. But that's entirely on you. What it actually is, is advice. Simple things too. No money? You can go outside without money. No ones saying walk all day, but get up and go for a walk, see the sun, talk to people then go back home and continue on. All this is saying is to think about your habits and examine them
[QUOTE=Callinstead;52296053]I fully understand how it can be seen in that light, but the video is intended for the opposite. [video=youtube;8qGCAE1jte8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qGCAE1jte8[/video][/QUOTE] Once again: Poe's fucking law validated in this very thread. Well done. [editline]31st May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Foogooman;52298352]Good to know I'm doing everything right [editline]1st June 2017[/editline] It's tricky cuz any one of these things, if bad enough, will cause all the others and feed into itself. If I didn't have moderate insomnia which randomly and unpredictably alters my sleep schedule, I wouldn't be so tired, and my PTSD is worse when I'm tired, which leads to more nightmares, which leads to worse sleep, and all this adds to depression, and so on, and so on. Each element is circular with at least one other.[/QUOTE] Fucking A' right man. Relevant: [video=youtube;y97rBdSYbkg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg[/video]
[QUOTE=a-k-t-w;52296079]Ah ok. I guess making a positive message using negativity just rubbed me the wrong way. I can see now that he was just trying something different. I'm sorry.[/QUOTE] It's alright man. I'm sure the people in this thread weren't being genuinely cross with you either even if they came off that way, with the anonymity and all. What I mean to say, if you feel bad about what you said before, don't be. It's not easy being down.
I'm prone to anxiety attacks and have major depression. Pretty much lived this lifestyle (some of it was because a lot of my jobs have been something i do freelance from home) until I stopped staying in and started working out. Its not exactly a cure to it but it helps a lot in managing it. I feel better for it and I know I am better for it. I still need to manage my sleeping patterns though.
I miss my old sleep schedule when I was in middle school, 12-6 on school days and 3-9 on weekends. I felt perfectly fine whenever I woke up. Now days I just sleep in a blurry haze
Oh man this is too accurate. Except, with ADHD, I have a hell of a difficult time setting up short-term goals, and whenever I do, I get distracted by other short-term goals that don't matter, so I never manage to achieve the long-term goal I set out to achieve. And then, with GAD, I get anxious that I didn't complete those goals in time or well enough. So I try to get shit done, fail, get anxious about how these small goals are piling up, get overwhelmed and go to even smaller, easier, and less meaningful goals (like playing video games and downloading music), and then just wait until the last moment to get like 30 different goals done in a frenzy. This makes me want to go [I]do[/I] things because holy shit every habit I have is making me even more miserable.
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