Proof of God: "The banana fits in your ..." - Atheist Nightmare - General

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;25698412]To truly believe in a deity and be part of its religion is to be ignorant towards scientific facts.[/QUOTE] For you? Or who? Who said that? You don't have to reject science to believe in a deity. Why are you dealing with absolutes? For you there are only Atheists and Religious Fanatics, no middle ground.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;25698463]For you? Or who? Who said that? You don't have to reject science to believe in a deity. Why are you dealing with absolutes?[/QUOTE] If you want to truly follow your religious texts you do. Of course you can just believe in a god and ignore all the other stuff, but that's not being true to your religion. It's these people who deserve criticism - the people who do follow their religion the way they're "meant to". These are the people who, when given contradicting accounts on matters, side with their religion and ignore scientific theory and evidence. They're very common. Plus, believing in a god, and believing that he just magically created everything, is completely illogical, and is the most illogical answer you can give to describing the creation of the world since you simply cannot describe "god". It's trying to give an easy answer to the creation of everything, but really only makes the answer even more complex and improbable. It's as close to impossible as you can get. [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;25698463]For you there are only Atheists and Religious Fanatics, no middle ground.[/QUOTE] There are too many contradictions for there to be a true "middle ground". It's still ignorance.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;25698571]If you want to truly follow your religious texts you do. Of course you can just believe in a god and ignore all the other stuff, but that's not being true to your religion.[/QUOTE] True, don't assume everyone is "true" to their religion. I know christians (even a priest) who believe in evolution and science, but consider it connected to God too. I respect people like this. [QUOTE=MisterMooth;25698571]It's these people who deserve criticism, the people who do follow their religion the way they're "meant to". These are the people who, when given contradicting accounts on matters, side with their religion and ignore scientific theory and evidence. They're very common.[/QUOTE] Yes, they deserve criticism. But the guy in this thread just said "I believe in God" and got attacked. He didn't display ignorance. I'd also like to make these people you're talking about understand science. But I wouldn't mind them still believing in a deity. [QUOTE=MisterMooth;25698571]Plus, believing in a god, and believing that he just magically created everything, is completely illogical, and is the most illogical answer you can give to describing the creation of the world since you simply cannot describe "god".[/QUOTE] What if someone said that God created universe by big bang? His explanation would be as valid as yours, since we don't know what happened before the big bang. [QUOTE=MisterMooth;25698571]There are too many contradictions for there to be a true "middle ground". It's still ignorance.[/QUOTE] How is accepting science ignorance?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCjO_m_FSn8[/media] martin sheen owns skip to 1:29 for relevance

Why can't people just live in peace and respect others' beliefs and disbeliefs, I mean come on

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;25698463]For you? Or who? Who said that? You don't have to reject science to believe in a deity. Why are you dealing with absolutes? [/QUOTE] Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Most of the people who call them are only calling to prove them wrong but they just end up looking stupid.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;25698654]What if someone said that God created universe by big bang? His explanation would be as valid as yours, since we don't know what happened before the big bang.[/QUOTE] No, because going straight to the religious explanation and arguing a supernatural deity did it isn't the logical scientific way of explaining things. You can't pick out some text of one religious book (out of many) and claim that as evidence. Theories can only stand up on evidence. And religious texts can't ever be evidence. [quote]How is accepting science ignorance?[/quote] I'm just saying you can't be truly religious and still believe in everything science has taught us. What's the point in believing in God if you don't bother with everything else in that religion? You can't just believe that there's a god and he doesn't really do anything and that's it. If you believed in a god, you would generally believe that he created everything, and that doing good or bad things affect where you go when you die, and that he can listen to everyone's prayers and pull off miracles, etc. None of these are logical or scientific.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;25698238]Let him be. Damn, you're just as bad as these people who you hate so much, the ones that go around and try to preach everyone that God is the only way. You do exactly the same. You are what you hate, just carrying a different flag.[/QUOTE] Uh huh, the reason why I don't like religious isn't because they FORCE stuff on me to begin with, but because their beliefs contradict the reality and therefore break our society and slow progress. If everyone believed logic and reason (the range of reasonable opinions is quite small, in fact, there's only one most reasonable opinion most of the time) and people forced logic and reason on each other everyone would be happy. [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Laserbeams;25698736]Why can't people just live in peace and respect others' beliefs and disbeliefs, I mean come on[/QUOTE] Hey dude, I want everyone to stone children and kill homosexual people, as well as ban the scientific research, are you with me?

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;25698811]No, because going straight to the religious explanation and arguing a supernatural deity did it isn't the logical scientific way of explaining things. You can't pick out some text of one religious book (out of many) and claim that as evidence. Theories can only stand up on evidence. And religious texts can't ever be evidence.[/QUOTE] You missed the point. We don't know what happened before the big bang, any explanation of it you make carries the same weight which is 0. Therefore religious speculation is as legitimate as scientific speculation. (Don't start that we know how thermodynamics work and so on, you don't know how thermodynamics worked during big bang) [QUOTE=MisterMooth;25698811]I'm just saying you can't be truly religious and still believe in everything science has taught us. What's the point in believing in God if you don't bother with everything else in that religion? You can't just believe that there's a god and he doesn't really do anything and that's it. If you believed in a god, you would generally believe that he created everything, and that doing good or bad things affect where you go when you die, and that he can listen to everyone's prayers and pull off miracles, etc. None of these are logical or scientific.[/QUOTE] There is no "point" in being religious. It's not a product you choose to buy in the supermarket. Some people believe that God did create everything and it wasn't any magic but that it has happened as science describes it : big bang, cosmology, abiogenesis, evolution, and that old testament isn't literal (e.g.: creation of the universe taking 7 days). Also why do you keep insisting that if you believe in a deity you have to believe in everything ever connected to it? If someone believes in afterlife he doesn't have to automatically believe that Adam and Eve were the first people on earth. Stop with the absolutes. Only you and other fanatics like you care about being "true" to a religion. [QUOTE=Glorious leader;25698927]Uh huh, the reason why I don't like religious isn't because they FORCE stuff on me to begin with, but because their beliefs contradict the reality and therefore break our society and slow progress. If everyone believed logic and reason (the range of reasonable opinions is quite small, in fact, there's only one most reasonable opinion most of the time) and people forced logic and reason on each other everyone would be happy. [/QUOTE] You are too, talking about fanatics (while being a fanatic yourself).

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;25698989]You missed the point. We don't know what happened before the big bang, any explanation of it you make carries the same weight which is 0. Therefore religious speculation is as legitimate as scientific speculation. (Don't start that we know how thermodynamics work and so on, you don't know how thermodynamics worked during big bang) There is no "point" in being religious. It's not a product you choose to buy in the supermarket. Some people believe that God did create everything and it wasn't any magic but that it has happened as science describes it : big bang, cosmology, abiogenesis, evolution, and that old testament isn't literal (e.g.: creation of the universe taking 7 days). Also why do you keep insisting that if you believe in a deity you have to believe in everything ever connected to it? If someone believes in afterlife he doesn't have to automatically believe that Adam and Eve were the first people on earth. Stop with the absolutes. Only you and other fanatics like you care about being "true" to a religion.[/QUOTE] 'Religious speculations' don't rely on evidence in an intelligent and critical manner unlike the scientific theories. If there's no way of knowing then you should stop here, and not speculate. This is called an argument from ignorance. Your argument was insanely idiotic by the way.

[QUOTE=Glorious leader;25699009]They can assume that, but they can't believe in it. Your argument was insanely idiotic by the way.[/QUOTE] Your argument is insanely idiotic. "LETS FORCE REASON AND LOGIC ON PEOPLE!!!" Congrats. I'll be back in few hours. You can keep spewing your fanatic bullshit. I'll be happy to reply when I get back.

Why oh why do they always choose the banana argument.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;25698989]You missed the point. We don't know what happened before the big bang, any explanation of it you make carries the same weight which is 0. Therefore religious speculation is as legitimate as scientific speculation. (Don't start that we know how thermodynamics work and so on, you don't know how thermodynamics worked during big bang)[/QUOTE] No, you've missed the point. We can speculate what happened, but we don't say it's fact because we don't have the evidence and we simply don't know. You can't go straight to religion and say it's true because it's illogical and based off no evidence whatsoever. We can't explain it without evidence, so leave it at that. You can't just fill in the gaps with the supernatural.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;25698989]Therefore religious speculation is as legitimate as scientific speculation. [/QUOTE] There is a big difference: [img_thumb]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CRtMt721qAM/S9QyE9DFlAI/AAAAAAAAAgs/F0z2hcCWbco/s1600/sciencevsreligion.png[/img_thumb]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;25698989] You are too, talking about fanatics (while being a fanatic yourself).[/QUOTE] I wasn't talking about fanatics. You're basically pulling stuff out of your ass now to defend your feeble-minded opinions. Let me sum up your post: [img]http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/90/idiotsp.png[/img] [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;25699035]Your argument is insanely idiotic. "LETS FORCE REASON AND LOGIC ON PEOPLE!!!" Congrats. I'll be back in few hours. You can keep spewing your fanatic bullshit. I'll be happy to reply when I get back.[/QUOTE] Hey, this is what we have schools for. Oh wait... Fucking godless schools paid for by the antichrist to force reason on our children fucking satanist atheist fanatics..... screw you I'll be back in an hour... I'll be back.

made my year

[QUOTE=Glorious leader;25698927]Hey dude, I want everyone to stone children and kill homosexual people, as well as ban the scientific research, are you with me?[/QUOTE] You are bigotted, biased and ignorant. Not all religious people are like that, only die-hard fundamentalists from Wesboro and extremists

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;25699219]You are bigotted, biased and ignorant. Not all religious people are like that, only die-hard fundamentalists from Wesboro and extremists[/QUOTE] I never said that religious people were like that. I replied to your post: [release]Laserbeams posted: Why can't people just live in peace and respect others' beliefs and disbeliefs, I mean come on Hey dude, I want everyone to stone children and kill homosexual people, as well as ban the scientific research, are you with me? I replied: Hey dude, I want everyone to stone children and kill homosexual people, as well as ban the scientific research, are you with me?[/release]

derp thread is derp :frogdowns: [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] But seriously though, the OP video was hilarious. The rest of you, you're just splitting hairs now, so let it go, eh? [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Block;25699139] [img_thumb]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_CRtMt721qAM/S9QyE9DFlAI/AAAAAAAAAgs/F0z2hcCWbco/s1600/sciencevsreligion.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] This, a thousand times this

[QUOTE=matrix_1995;25699238]The rest of you, you're just splitting hairs now, so let it go, eh?[/QUOTE] matrix_1995 _1995 1995 [img]http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9261/1283386315270.jpg[/img] Learn to argue with stupid people and not tolerate their beliefs, kid

Oh this is a different video. I thought it was going to be the video where two other guys who believe in God were explaining it.

[QUOTE=MisterMooth;25698412]To truly believe in a deity and be part of its religion is to be ignorant towards scientific facts.[/QUOTE] What you fail to understand is that most Theists are raised in an environment which teaches them that Theism is the only logical explanation for the existence of the universe. It is extremely difficult, or even impossible for them to change their minds since they have been taught it from such a young age. There's not point in criticizing the [b]person[/b] for that, since in reality, it isn't their fault. Argue against a religion, yes, but there's not point in criticizing a person for their beliefs.

[QUOTE=nos217;25699439]What you fail to understand is that most Theists are raised in an environment which teaches them that Theism is the only logical explanation for the existence of the universe. It is extremely difficult, or even impossible for them to change their minds since they have been taught it from such a young age. There's not point in criticizing the [b]person[/b] for that, since in reality, it isn't their fault. Argue against a religion, yes, but there's not point in criticizing a person for their beliefs.[/QUOTE] Do you know how human relationships work? When someone is criticized for their beliefs, they try to find what the reason of them being criticized is. This is how I became an atheist, to be honest, and I was brought up in a Christian family.

arent you kids cute, thinking you're special for not believing in god

[QUOTE=neil_purt;25699619]arent you kids cute, thinking you're special for not believing in god[/QUOTE] Amazingly kids who don't believe in God turn out to have higher IQs and be more scientifically literate than kids who do. Same applies to any age.

[QUOTE=Glorious leader;25699669]Amazingly kids who don't believe in God turn out to have higher IQs and be more scientifically literate than kids who do. Same applies to any age.[/QUOTE] prove it then, mr. quasi-intellectual 13 year old.

[QUOTE=neil_purt;25699619]arent you kids cute, thinking you're special for not believing in god[/QUOTE] They're not, but you're quite the "special" one, arent you ? Nobody in the thread said they think their special or anything, and you should feel horrible because you made an idiot of yourself. You're one of the reasons atheists hate religious people so much, just let them believe whatever they want, it's not your business, and you cant criticise them for it [editline]28th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Glorious leader;25699669]Amazingly kids who don't believe in God turn out to have higher IQs and be more scientifically literate than kids who do. Same applies to any age.[/QUOTE] Source.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;25699780]They're not, but you're quite the "special" one, arent you ? Nobody in the thread said they think their special or anything, and you should feel horrible because you made an idiot of yourself. You're one of the reasons atheists hate religious people so much, just let them believe whatever they want, it's not your business, and you cant criticise them for it[/QUOTE] you can put up the act already. everyone knows youre just trying to rebel against mommy and daddy. it may not be directly implied in the thread that everyone here thinks they're special, but you know you're smug simply over having different religious beliefs.

[QUOTE=neil_purt;25699744]prove it then, mr. quasi-intellectual 13 year old.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence[/url] I'm 17 years old, by the way.

[QUOTE=Glorious leader;25699823][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence[/url] I'm 17 years old, by the way.[/QUOTE] aren't you special, what a big boy you are at age 17. nice wikipedia link, too. im totally going to believe an article you just spent 19 or so minutes to edit.