How Disney Ruined The Little Mermaid - General

Sad endings are the best In Pete's Dragon when the dragon leaves in the end it's super sad but you know he's going to help some other stupid kid so it's okay.

[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;49484294]what are you talking about? Disney already killed one of their best princesses, [sp]han solo[/sp].[/QUOTE] yo you could have at least put in the movie name, i had no idea that would be a star wars spoiler

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49481210]Kids need more crushingly sad endings.[/QUOTE] Didn't Don Bluth say that kids need sad moments to get them through life? He's done that a lot in his films, but always gives you the sweetest of endings to make it worth sitting through the hardships of the characters. Remember when Littlefoot's mother died in The Land Before Time while finding a new home; then made it heartwarming when he made new friends, an adoptive family, [I]and[/I] reached the valley? I think a good balance of sad and happy moments with life lessons is what makes a good kids movie.

[QUOTE=oskramorir;49482685]i wanna see that russian adaptation, it looks cool as hell[/QUOTE] No Subtitles. [video=youtube;Zvyt2fdWJAQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvyt2fdWJAQ[/video]

I love Maddox but you guys need to keep in mind that he's entertainment. Don't start going on a crusade against all disney movies because I doubt Maddox actually gives as many shits about them as he conveys in this video [editline]8th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;49484294]what are you talking about? Disney already killed one of their best princesses, [sp]han solo[/sp].[/QUOTE] I've seen that movie so thank god but that's some shitty spoiler tag use

[QUOTE=FingerSpazem;49488032]I love Maddox but you guys need to keep in mind that he's entertainment. Don't start going on a crusade against all disney movies because I doubt Maddox actually gives as many shits about them as he conveys in this video [editline]8th January 2016[/editline] I've seen that movie so thank god but that's some shitty spoiler tag use[/QUOTE] Before Maddox was popular and was simply writing from his miserable job, he made a previous article about it. [url=http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=hatedisney]3rd February 2000[/url] [quote=Excerpt]Disney. This is something that's been bothering me for a long time. Possibly the worst media company in the world. Not in terms of their animation quality, as it's some of the best out there. I'm talking about their content (or lack thereof). Why do people associate Disney with "family values"? Because the characters are cute and happy? Because of the incessant and pointless singing? Or maybe because nothing ever goes wrong in the Disney universe, and it's comforting for irresponsible parents to know that they can avoid spending time with their kids by putting on a video, and saving a few bucks on a babysitter at the same time.[/quote] There's another one I can't find where he talked about a fictional movie in which all of the children drove off a cliff and died in a horrible car crash, but he was being sarcastic in that one. I'm gonna be honest, I'm going to take a step back and rewrite what I wanted to say because I have a bad habit of speaking in ultimates when in reality my understanding and feelings of things are a lot more complicated than simple "hate". "I hate" isn't the best way to describe how I feel about a lot of things. Here's what my beef is, and it's not necessarily directed completely at Disney, and it's not necessarily directed at parents - it's a mixture of everything. Everything plays different roles in the problem, with a hierarchy of the parents being in control and Disney being a child component, or an example of how children's media has changed. The problem is facing reality. Disney knows they can make a profit by making a dream for children where nothing ever goes wrong. Parents then prevent their children from facing reality by never criticizing them and keeping them away from situations that might make them feel uncomfortable. They battle the teachers and tell them that there's nothing wrong with their kid and make sure to shower the kids with love. Then, when they have to face the real world, they might realize that they're a huge piece of shit a bit too late and that life is a lot harsher than they thought, or they end up in this never-ending limbo where they can't figure out what's wrong with themselves and blame everyone around them. Again, not Disney's fault, but I do think that Disney plays a role in this by revising stories to not be difficult. Disney had an opportunity to Disney up the movie and make her a really important figure for everyone. They totally could have let her die int he end and it would have made a very lasting impression on everyone and still be a fun movie even if she died. It would have taught children that even though reality is harsh, it is still worth it to be good in the world and cause good for others anyway. It could have opened up their minds to the concept of death while mediating it without being so scary. But Disney took the safe route and didn't teach very much of anything except false expectations - the polar opposite of the original movie. Hell, there's a lot of people I know that can't handle even remotely bad endings. The mermaid dying in the original one is a bad ending, but is it? If she learns to accept her death and accept reality and continue to be a good person until the very end, is that bad? I know a lot of people that get upset when even slightly bad endings happen in normal movies, like the third Star Trek movie which caused a huge shitstorm when [sp]Spock died[/sp], even though it was a super beautiful moment. Is it possible that we're training people to have expectations of reality that we can only see only the best as happiness, and everything else as depressing? We want everything to be sugar-coated? I also believe that movies in which the guy always gets the girl in the end is what led to false expectations of "if you do something nice you'll be rewarded with a relationship and perhaps sex", i.e. the thing that plagues the crazies that believe in the friend-zone. I also believe "happily ever after" is something that plagues a lot of people too. It's not Disney's fault for coming up with this stuff, but the effects of these stories combined with bad parenting create weaker people. That's my beef with it. And I'll still go to Disneyland and I'll still enjoy Disney animations, but I'll totally criticize the shit out of the fact that it's revisionist and mental junkfood with false life lessons that enable bad thinking. I feel bad because it is an opportunity to strengthen children, but they took the safer route and that's why they're profitable.

If there's a problem with Disney movies it's their tendency to push the source material and all other adaptions into obscurity (the major exceptions being Heracles/Hercules and The Lion King) for no good reason. When a movie is as different from it's source as Disney's tend to be you can't really call it objectively superior or inferior. And it probably wouldn't happen if they didn't have Disney's brand and animation. You can't really blame anyone in particular for this happening, though.

[QUOTE=Tobin;49482691]Agreed, this is kinda like complaining that Jimi Hendrix turned "All Along the Watchtower" from a folk/country song to a psychedelic rock song.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I hate the logic of "Yeah, how dare someone have a different version of a story!" I just cringed pretty hard when I saw the title. It's not even out of defense either, I've never even seen the little mermaid.

Why the fuck does every children's movie got to teach your kid that life is a sisyphean struggle culminating in a meaningless, permanent conclusion? As if "kids these days" will completely destroyed by failure and tragedy unless inured to it as soon as possible, or that cheap morals will do anything to prepare them to the real thing. Nevermind how The Little Mermaid was largely about trying to get a soul because Mermaids don't get to go to heaven like proper, Christian humans. And in the end all her sacrifice does is qualify her for an honorary soul if she hundreds of years of good deeds as a spirit, and then the author tells the kids that they have to be good or ther mermaid ghosts will have to work longer before they have to go to heaven.

[QUOTE=Agent 47;49486255]yo you could have at least put in the movie name, i had no idea that would be a star wars spoiler[/QUOTE] shit man, I was thinking that if I put it in spoilers people wouldn't click it if they haven't watched something recently by disney. sorry.

[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;49489042]shit man, I was thinking that if I put it in spoilers people wouldn't click it if they haven't watched something recently by disney. sorry.[/QUOTE] I haven't watched that movie yet and I laughed when I saw your spoiler. It was the perfect misdirect and accidental joke, so at least you got a laugh from me.

[QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;49489042]shit man, I was thinking that if I put it in spoilers people wouldn't click it if they haven't watched something recently by disney. sorry.[/QUOTE] Although now is people see it they'll assume that [sp]Leia dies even without clicking it.[/sp] Which is a nice misdirection i guess. Also star wars

[QUOTE=maddogsamurai;49486266]Didn't Don Bluth say that kids need sad moments to get them through life? He's done that a lot in his films, but always gives you the sweetest of endings to make it worth sitting through the hardships of the characters. Remember when Littlefoot's mother died in The Land Before Time while finding a new home; then made it heartwarming when he made new friends, an adoptive family, [I]and[/I] reached the valley? I think a good balance of sad and happy moments with life lessons is what makes a good kids movie.[/QUOTE] And then they made 17 horrible sequels.

This is nothing compared to what they did to Hunchback of Notre Dame. And don't get me wrong, Hunchback is one of my favorite Disney movies. But MAN did they really bring out the edit hammer for that one.

a lot of disney movies are loved by children because they grew up with them and for no other reason mulan is actually a great one atlantis was pretty good too

[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;49491163]This is nothing compared to what they did to Hunchback of Notre Dame. And don't get me wrong, Hunchback is one of my favorite Disney movies. But MAN did they really bring out the edit hammer for that one.[/QUOTE] Do you really think they would have been able to have Quasimodo [sp]attempt to murder Phoebus out of jealousy[/sp]? Forget the ending where [sp]both Esmeralda and Quazimodo die[/sp].

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;49492016]a lot of disney movies are loved by children because they grew up with them and for no other reason mulan is actually a great one atlantis was pretty good too[/QUOTE] Lion King was the last Disney movie I think was good. and that was what, '94? I was 7 years old so it was pretty epic, but I'd watch it now, it's a fun movie with great artistic value.

My favorite Disney movie is and will always be The emperors new groove. [sp]Mulan is a close second though[/sp]

[QUOTE=jackattack;49493280]My favorite Disney movie is and will always be The emperors new groove. [sp]Mulan is a close second though[/sp][/QUOTE] God, me and my friend came up with so many inside jokes from that movie.

[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49493436]God, me and my friend came up with so many inside jokes from that movie.[/QUOTE] That's a good question, Kronk, how did we get here?

[QUOTE=Zuimzado;49493679]That's a good question, Kronk, how did we get here?[/QUOTE] "and I'll put that box in another box, then I'll put that box in another box, then I'll SMASH IT WITH A HAMMAH!"

Which poison were we talking about again?

It's called a cruel irony. Like my dependence on you.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;49492895]Do you really think they would have been able to have Quasimodo [sp]attempt to murder Phoebus out of jealousy[/sp]? Forget the ending where [sp]both Esmeralda and Quazimodo die[/sp].[/QUOTE] Nah I don't mean just that, infact in that I commend Disney for making a good alternative. What I meant were some other smaller details like how [sp]Quasimodo in the original festival committed a crime and was punished for it, while in the Disney version the city just randomly turns on him for practically no reason.[/sp] Or how about how they didn't really develop the Gypsies much and because of it if you have no idea about them you'd probably get confused about their scene. There's a lot of very minor details they left out just to dodge the PG rating. Still an amazing movie, one of my favorites, but I wish they didn't care much about the PG rating for this one.