child hailed as brave for holding pride flag while being confused by a preacher ranting - General

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48117789]Of course they're cherrypicked. Besides, you could just as easily find images of practically-naked straight people at BDSM events like the Folsom Street Fair or even Mardi Gras, which isn't even an event about sex. Hell I could probably find more asscracks at a Tea Party rally than a Pride Parade[/QUOTE] err yeah i agree. wasnt trying to argue with you by saying that mate.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48113428]I've been to Stockholm Pride, yes. People in fetish costumes, people waving dildos and various other sex toys around, topless women, people more or less masturbating in public, etc. etc.* [/QUOTE] Um, I was at Stockholm Pride last year during the whole event and you're full of shit. The worst thing I saw was a very small BDSM section that passed by, with someone in leather locked into a cage. And I agree that's a bit odd, but it wasn't nearly as much as you're making it out to be. Nobody was "masturbating in public". I was at four different places during the time it took place (moved around a lot) and there was no trace of anything you're claiming. That aside, topless women is not worth noting down because toplessness is not an actual issue. It was mostly people on the back of pick-ups or on trucks waving flags and logos around, a lot of it was various companies and political parties showing their support and playing loud music.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;48122608]Um, I was at Stockholm Pride last year during the whole event and you're full of shit. The worst thing I saw was a very small BDSM section that passed by, with someone in leather locked into a cage. And I agree that's a bit odd, but it wasn't nearly as much as you're making it out to be. Nobody was "masturbating in public". I was at four different places during the time it took place (moved around a lot) and there was no trace of anything you're claiming. That aside, topless women is not worth noting down because toplessness is not an actual issue. It was mostly people on the back of pick-ups or on trucks waving flags and logos around, a lot of it was various companies and political parties showing their support and playing loud music.[/QUOTE] yeah and I wasn't there last year [quote]That aside, topless women is not worth noting down because toplessness is not an actual issue.[/quote] ok

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48123661]yeah and I wasn't there last year[/quote] seems like you're pretty irrelevant [quote]ok[/quote] passive agressive non-argument to defend the notion that the human body is scary and brain melting

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48117487]Gee that kinda sounds like hey hold on a minute [I]judging an entire group on the decisions of a few[/I] Boy howdy isn't that somewhat familiar![/QUOTE] woah hey sorry it's not my fault I haven't been shown nearly as much kindness and understanding by them compared to what my non-christian LGBT friends have shown me

[QUOTE=Levithan;48125433]woah hey sorry it's not my fault I haven't been shown nearly as much kindness and understanding by them compared to what my non-christian LGBT friends have shown me[/QUOTE] but it is your fault if you make an assumption of a whole group based on that.

[QUOTE=Levithan;48125433]woah hey sorry it's not my fault I haven't been shown nearly as much kindness and understanding by them compared to what my non-christian LGBT friends have shown me[/QUOTE] Christ man, that kind of hurt.

[QUOTE=Levithan;48125433]woah hey sorry it's not my fault I haven't been shown nearly as much kindness and understanding by them compared to what my non-christian LGBT friends have shown me[/QUOTE] Or it could be that the Christians who are tolerant of LGBT are less likely to wear their Christianity on their sleeve or to evangelize. It's like people who say all furries or bronies are obnoxious. Obviously if someone injects the fact that they're a furry or a brony into a conversation without being asked, they're probably an obnoxious person, and people who are socially astute won't ever mention it in a place where it's looked down upon. You'll only know that there are "normal" ones if you come to a place like Facepunch where being a furry is relatively accepted so a lot of people have furry avatars.

[QUOTE=bitches;48124205] passive agressive non-argument to defend the notion that the human body is scary and brain melting[/QUOTE] "It's ok to disregard laws as long as you disagree with them"

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48133107]"It's ok to disregard laws as long as you disagree with them"[/QUOTE] It's not illegal to be topless.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48133107]"It's ok to disregard laws as long as you disagree with them"[/QUOTE] I think you might be in the wrong country, friend. Laws about what you should wear in scandinavian countries is very lax compared to America, maybe you should go there? :v:

[QUOTE=gastyne;48133201]It's not illegal to be topless.[/QUOTE] It depends on why you're topless or nude, if it's near, for example, a beach it's generally ok. If it's in the middle of a street with the only purpose being to flaunt how ~sexually liberated~ you are I'm actually unsure, fairly certain it could be classed as indecent behavior [editline]6th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Crimor;48133221]I think you might be in the wrong country, friend. [/QUOTE] The Scandinavian nations may be a bit, in my opinion, too liberal when it comes to certain things, fortunately most of those things aren't socially acceptable in the slightest Although I do understand what you mean. If we simply stopped sexualising female breasts, making them out to be something shameful that should be covered at all times there would be no problem

[QUOTE=Crimor;48133221]I think you might be in the wrong country, friend. Laws about what you should wear in scandinavian countries is very lax compared to America, maybe you should go there? :v:[/QUOTE] Sorry, I cant hear you over my freedom of getting put on a sexual offenders list because I had to take a shit in the woods.

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48133107]"It's ok to disregard laws as long as you disagree with them"[/QUOTE] Yes, it is. The law isn't infallible. You're still not bothering to try and make a moral argument, in favor of constant sidestepping BS, but somehow you're the moral police?

[QUOTE=bitches;48135603]Yes, it is. The law isn't infallible. You're still not bothering to try and make a moral argument, in favor of constant sidestepping BS, but somehow you're the moral police?[/QUOTE] What sort of moral argument do you want to me to make? I've already accepted defeat in the argument regarding toplessness. I'm sorry for thinking it's incredibly stupid to bring children to a heavily sexualised event, I honestly shouldn't need to explain why I feel that way And regarding the laws, is anyone allowed to break any law as long as they disagree with it? Or are you some sort of legal overlord who decides which laws can and cannot be broken? There's a difference between peacefully debating for change and going "fuck everything i'll do what I want lol"

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48135952]What sort of moral argument do you want to me to make? I've already accepted defeat in the argument regarding toplessness. I'm sorry for thinking it's incredibly stupid to bring children to a heavily sexualised event, I honestly shouldn't need to explain why I feel that way And regarding the laws, is anyone allowed to break any law as long as they disagree with it? Or are you some sort of legal overlord who decides which laws can and cannot be broken? There's a difference between peacefully debating for change and going "fuck everything i'll do what I want lol"[/QUOTE] except it's obvious that you're full of shit and making extreme exaggerations about the sexualizing of it, as evidenced by every other poster here having not seen this behaviour at pride parades, [I]including the one you went to[/I] you clearly have some strange compulsion to shit on pride parades, despite not having any actual argument the law is irrelevant to this argument, so stop changing the subject

[QUOTE=bitches;48136082]except it's obvious that you're full of shit and making extreme exaggerations about the sexualizing of it, as evidenced by every other poster here having not seen this behaviour at pride parades, [I]including the one you went to[/I] you clearly have some strange compulsion to shit on pride parades, despite not having any actual argument the law is irrelevant to this argument, so stop changing the subject[/QUOTE] I saw what I saw. They may very well have been arrested right after, but that's more than I know of. As I've already said, I have nothing against pride parades, I just don't understand some people who see it as an opportunity to be as absurd as possible, they should just act like normal people, and I don't think it's a good idea to bring children into a sexualized environment. The whole argument brewed from you and other people basically saying "What's the problem with it? It's just some skin and biological functions". As I've already also said I don't know if that's what you actually meant, and I've gotten no clear answer, so I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;48136263]I saw what I saw. They may very well have been arrested right after, but that's more than I know of. As I've already said, I have nothing against pride parades, I just don't understand some people who see it as an opportunity to be as absurd as possible, they should just act like normal people, and I don't think it's a good idea to bring children into a sexualized environment. The whole argument brewed from you and other people basically saying "What's the problem with it? It's just some skin and biological functions". As I've already also said I don't know if that's what you actually meant, and I've gotten no clear answer, so I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore[/QUOTE] What I said is that oversexualized action in a pride parade is by far the minority, and anyone taking it any further than how they're dressed is even MORE of a minority. The crazy off chance that someone is going to be [I]that[/I] inappropriate is no reason to avoid taking your child to equality celebrations.

[QUOTE=bitches;48136318]What I said is that oversexualized action in a pride parade is by far the minority, and anyone taking it any further than how they're dressed is even MORE of a minority. The crazy off chance that someone is going to be [I]that[/I] inappropriate is no reason to avoid taking your child to equality celebrations.[/QUOTE] Well, I agree, which in turn means that I DID misunderstand what you meant, which is what I was trying (and failed) to establish a long time ago And if what Coyoteze is saying is true, then even the Swedish pride parades have gotten better

[QUOTE=Levithan;48125433]woah hey sorry it's not my fault I haven't been shown nearly as much kindness and understanding by them compared to what my non-christian LGBT friends have shown me[/QUOTE] Great logic, totally not the [I]exact same thing that people use against the LGBT community[/I]

[QUOTE=Levithan;48125433]woah hey sorry it's not my fault I haven't been shown nearly as much kindness and understanding by them compared to what my non-christian LGBT friends have shown me[/QUOTE] I know a blonde guy who's an alcoholist. All blonde people are alcoholists

God forbid someone be wary of people who share the same believes as others who have commonly discriminated against her in the past.

[QUOTE=Starlight 456;48136491]God forbid someone be wary of people who share the same believes as others who have commonly discriminated against her in the past.[/QUOTE] What if someone applied this logic to a different demographic. Would you agree with it then, or would you (rightfully) find it kind of shitty?

[QUOTE=NikoChekhov;48136537]What if someone applied this logic to a different demographic. Would you agree with it then, or would you (rightfully) find it kind of shitty?[/QUOTE] well if that demographic (religion) says "gays are bad" i don't know why you'd want to hang around that person as a homosexual it doesn't really matter if they just conveniently ignore parts of their own belief rulebook

I've never personally experienced any direct homophobic remarks, but I could never imagine any LGBT member being friends with a homophobic person.