[QUOTE=Raidyr;49473973]The name isn't going to be relevant in two years but I guess neither is the game so it's smart to cash in on it now.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, all humor (especially political humor) becomes antiquated. Jon Oliver's jokes about anti-immigration, Donald Trump, the religious right, and anti-gun control won't be relevant in the next few years.
We aren't laughing at George W Bush anymore, but that doesn't mean that those jokes weren't amusing at the time.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49479667]If so much hard work went into Hatred then why was it so bad?[/QUOTE]
Just because something is bad (in this case I'd say it's more mediocre than bad) doesn't mean hard work was put into it. Like look at Battlefront, for instance.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;49479850]The art assets were actually somewhat decent for a top-down shooter, sure. The colour palette worked well for the game, I'll give it that. But it's still a top-down shooter, one of the most simplistic games on the face of the earth to make, in an engine that makes throwing together a game super fucking easy. Even if it did take some time to put together, that doesn't actually mean it took effort, time is not effort.
The fact their entire advertising campaign hinged on outrage and general "what even are you doing guys?" reactions makes it seem hella fucking cash-grab.[/QUOTE]
I think that "cash-grab" is the wrong term as it's free. "Exploitative" is the worth that you're looking for.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;49476453]You're allowed to make fun of anything you want, people need to chill out.[/QUOTE]
Anything?
I got a doozy: What do German chicks need to wear to get laid?
Cologne.
Don't get mad at me, you just need to chill out and not be so PC, man.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;49479863]I think that "cash-grab" is the wrong term as it's free. "Exploitative" is the worth that you're looking for.[/QUOTE]
Yes, exploitation is the right term, exploitation does not refer to quality. Cash-grab is more a term describing low quality media riding on a trend, sort of like the shitload of Minecraft and DayZ clones that followed those two games, most of them are terrible, some of them are even just repackaged templates from the Unity store.
[editline]8th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=axelord157;49479951]Anything?
I got a doozy: What do German chicks need to wear to get laid?
Cologne.
Don't get mad at me, you just need to chill out and not be so PC, man.[/QUOTE]
I actually found this joke funny, then again I am not the type that goes "too soon" about these sort of things. Thanks for making me laugh.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;49479545]Do you even know how much effort went into the game? More than Dear Esther or Gone Home, Life is Strange, etc. Considering that the SJW horde is ran by con artists and professional victims, I can only say they deserved someone exploiting the shit out of their trigger-itches. It's far from a "lazy cash grab"[/QUOTE]
lol what? I can guarantee that far far more effort goes into making some like Gone Home or LiS than Hatred. Hatred was a super simplistic game with pretty much no depth at all put into the gameplay and with mostly pretty ugly looking visuals. I would say that just creating the levels for Dear Esther probably took more effort than making Hatred did.
Hatred literally sold itself on controversy and nothing else. After it sold on release day because gamers with an axe to grind against the scary, video game censoring SJWS, the amount of active players dropped like shit from an elephant's asshole. I still chuckle thinking about the people who won't admit they got duped into paying 20 quid for a generic twin-stick shooter just to prove a point to... somebody?
[QUOTE=axelord157;49479951]Anything?
I got a doozy: What do German chicks need to wear to get laid?
Cologne.
Don't get mad at me, you just need to chill out and not be so PC, man.[/QUOTE]
do you honestly think the people you're criticizing are going to be shocked by that joke?
[QUOTE=axelord157;49480109]Hatred literally sold itself on controversy and nothing else. After it sold on release day because gamers with an axe to grind against the scary, video game censoring SJWS, the amount of active players dropped like shit from an elephant's asshole. I still chuckle thinking about the people who won't admit they got duped into paying 20 quid for a generic twin-stick shooter just to prove a point to... somebody?[/QUOTE]
I don't see why someone would feel duped for paying $20 if they actually enjoyed the game. And I'm sure plenty of people genuinely did. I like the concept of it because it took Postal 1 and gave it playable controls. Unfortunately it doesn't have the amazing industrial soundtrack and the cool artwork that Postal 1 did. And if you have such a problem with games like Hatred getting popular off of controversy, maybe you shouldn't get so frustrated about it, you're playing into the controversy.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49480109]Hatred literally sold itself on controversy and nothing else. After it sold on release day because gamers with an axe to grind against the scary, video game censoring SJWS, the amount of active players dropped like shit from an elephant's asshole. I still chuckle thinking about the people who won't admit they got duped into paying 20 quid for a generic twin-stick shooter just to prove a point to... somebody?[/QUOTE]
It's not even just that it's generic, its that it practiced two cardinal sins of the twin-stick genre: It lacks challenge and it lacks replayability.
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;49480147]And if you have such a problem with games like Hatred getting popular off of controversy, maybe you shouldn't get so frustrated about it, you're playing into the controversy.[/QUOTE]
I don't mean to speak for anyone but I don't think anyone is getting frustrated. Personally I think the story of Hatred is hilarious. Sheep threw $20 at a game because SJW's didn't like it, beat it in 45 minutes, then when it gets panned universally start mumbling about muh fun as if they aren't suffering from crippling buyers remorse.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49479951]Anything?
I got a doozy: What do German chicks need to wear to get laid?
Cologne.
Don't get mad at me, you just need to chill out and not be so PC, man.[/QUOTE]
way to take it too far, man.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49480358]It's not even just that it's generic, its that it practiced two cardinal sins of the twin-stick genre: It lacks challenge and it lacks replayability.
I don't mean to speak for anyone but I don't think anyone is getting frustrated. Personally I think the story of Hatred is hilarious. Sheep threw $20 at a game because SJW's didn't like it, beat it in 45 minutes, then when it gets panned universally start mumbling about muh fun as if they aren't suffering from crippling buyers remorse.[/QUOTE]
Again, here you go implying that everybody who bought is suffering buyer's remorse. Like it's been said, people legitimately enjoy it. And calling the buyers sheep while doing so.
If you're going to assume that so many of the people buying the game are just people against 'sjws' then it would just as logically sound for me to imply that the only people who bought Gone Home are 'sjws.'
Yeah, I'm sure some people enjoyed Hatred, but many people thought the Fifty Shades trilogy was a riveting, heart-pounding work of erotic fiction. [URL="https://steamdb.info/app/341940/"]According to Steamdb, only 31 (wow) people are playing Hatred right now despite being released just last year.[/URL] Compare Hatred to it's spiritual successor of POSTAL 2, [URL="https://steamdb.info/app/223470/"]still has about 262 people playing it right now[/URL] despite being released like a decade ago.
The graphs related to HATRED paint an even more sombering picture of it's quality (I've seen some crazy graph dips, but the Hatred dip takes the goddamn crown of graphs dips)
On the Cologne joke: I forgot that you actually have to make minor jabs at the male gamer identity to catch some flak on Facepunch. Everything is fair game, except criticizing male gamers and their whacked-out consumer culture. God be with you if you try that.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49480490]
On the Cologne joke: I forgot that you actually have to make minor jabs at the male gamer identity to catch some flak on Facepunch. Everything is fair game, except criticizing male gamers and their whacked-out consumer culture. God be with you if you try that.[/QUOTE]
Nobody cares. Its just lazy to go "lol funny hat" "lol, facial hair", etc.
Characters such as Ronnie are quite popular.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49480490]Yeah, I'm sure some people enjoyed Hatred, but many people thought the Fifty Shades trilogy was a riveting, heart-pounding work of erotic fiction. [URL="https://steamdb.info/app/341940/"]According to Steamdb, only 31 (wow) people are playing Hatred right now despite being released just last year.[/URL] Compare Hatred to it's spiritual successor of POSTAL 2, [URL="https://steamdb.info/app/223470/"]still has about 262 people playing it right now[/URL] despite being released like a decade ago.
The graphs related to HATRED paint an even more sombering picture of it's quality (I've seen some crazy graph dips, but the Hatred dip takes the goddamn crown of graphs dips)
On the Cologne joke: I forgot that you actually have to make minor jabs at the male gamer identity to catch some flak on Facepunch. Everything is fair game, except criticizing male gamers and their whacked-out consumer culture. God be with you if you try that.[/QUOTE]
Postal 2 isn't even Hatred's spiritual successor. Postal 2 is vastly different from Postal 1. Not only is it an fps rather than isometric shooter, it completely focused on humor and has a lot more player freedom. Plus it has a passionate modding community. Postal 1 has only 11 people playing right now ([url]https://steamdb.info/app/232770/[/url]), 20 less than hatred.
Also maybe your male gamer jokes need better punchlines. Your Cologne joke had a punchline so it was actually funny. And if you're talking about fedora jokes, then it's not the male gamer thing, it's just the fact that facepunch generally doesn't like tired memes.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49480501]Nobody cares. Its just lazy to go "lol funny hat" "lol, facial hair", etc.
Characters such as Ronnie are quite popular.[/QUOTE]
I ask, "hey guys, anybody find it just a bit weird how [INSERT SCANTILY-CLAD FEMALE CHARACTER IN A RPG-FANTASY UNIVERSE #4056] gets a chain-mail bikini while the male characters wear things like full-plates and chain-mail sweaters?" And people take that question to a weirdly personal level and sometimes get angry at me despite me trying not to be a smartass (Rare, I know) and actually hold a reasonable discussion about the portrayal of women in video games.
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;49480462]Again, here you go implying that everybody who bought is suffering buyer's remorse. Like it's been said, people legitimately enjoy it. And calling the buyers sheep while doing so.
If you're going to assume that so many of the people buying the game are just people against 'sjws' then it would just as logically sound for me to imply that the only people who bought Gone Home are 'sjws.'[/QUOTE]
But that's really what this is about isn't it. We can't just talk about these games without getting hemmed up with the politics. Hatred can't just be it's own entity, it has to be the counter-balance to games like Gone Home and the SJW's that support them. That this is the second time someone has namedropped Gone Home to try and make an argument is proof positive that the games come secondary to the resulting outrage culture and faux controversy.
I'm not even going to tackle that one because I don't care about Gone Home, I'm talking about Hatred. I don't need to assume that people bought the game because it ruffled SJW feathers. It's blatantly obvious from the few positive reviews the game has gotten, especially on Steam. Yes, they might have "legitimately enjoyed it", much like how people legitimately enjoy Star Wars Battlefront and Aliens Colonial Marines, but the perceptions that buying the game was a blow against the corrupt SJW games journalism establishment was what parted people with their money in the first place.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49480620]I ask, "hey guys, anybody find it just a bit weird how [INSERT SCANTILY-CLAD FEMALE CHARACTER IN A RPG-FANTASY UNIVERSE #4056] gets a chain-mail bikini while the male characters wear things like full-plates and chain-mail sweaters?" And people take that question to [B]a weirdly personal level[/B] and sometimes get angry at me despite me trying not to be a smartass (Rare, I know) and actually hold a reasonable discussion about the portrayal of women in video games.[/QUOTE]
Just like you. Also that's not even a joke. Don't get pissy because someone disagrees with you.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;49480624]But that's really what this is about isn't it. We can't just talk about these games without getting hemmed up with the politics. Hatred can't just be it's own entity, it has to be the counter-balance to games like Gone Home and the SJW's that support them. That this is the second time someone has namedropped Gone Home to try and make an argument is proof positive that the games come secondary to the resulting outrage culture and faux controversy.
I'm not even going to tackle that one because I don't care about Gone Home, I'm talking about Hatred. I don't need to assume that people bought the game because it ruffled SJW feathers. It's blatantly obvious from the few positive reviews the game has gotten, especially on Steam. Yes, they might have "legitimately enjoyed it", much like how people legitimately enjoy Star Wars Battlefront and Aliens Colonial Marines, but the perceptions that buying the game was a blow against the corrupt SJW games journalism establishment was what parted people with their money in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I name dropped Gone Home because it was mentioned already and is commonly joked about by edgy "anti-sjws".
Also the argument in this thread isn't about Hatred being bad or good, it's actually about the "politics". The argument started based on the "politics" of offensive games.
I'm sure you can find people to debate with you about how bad that game is (if that's what you fancy) but that's not what this discussion was originally about.
Well, I think we're talking about how inflammatory politics are being used to market video games over clever, slightly less inflammatory means.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49480490]Yeah, I'm sure some people enjoyed Hatred, but many people thought the Fifty Shades trilogy was a riveting, heart-pounding work of erotic fiction. [URL="https://steamdb.info/app/341940/"]According to Steamdb, only 31 (wow) people are playing Hatred right now despite being released just last year.[/URL] Compare Hatred to it's spiritual successor of POSTAL 2, [URL="https://steamdb.info/app/223470/"]still has about 262 people playing it right now[/URL] despite being released like a decade ago.
The graphs related to HATRED paint an even more sombering picture of it's quality (I've seen some crazy graph dips, but the Hatred dip takes the goddamn crown of graphs dips)
On the Cologne joke: I forgot that you actually have to make minor jabs at the male gamer identity to catch some flak on Facepunch. Everything is fair game, except criticizing male gamers and their whacked-out consumer culture. God be with you if you try that.[/QUOTE]
did you just call Postal 2 the spiritual successor to hatred when the game came out long before Hatred?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49480651]The irony of Hatred is how similar the playtimes are with Gone Home, both games averaging 2.5 hours of gametime for most players.[/QUOTE]
Never played Gone Home but I genuinely don't understand how it could take someone 2.5 hours to beat Hatred.
[QUOTE=axelord157;49480747]Well, I think we're talking about how inflammatory politics are being used to market video games over clever, slightly less inflammatory means.[/QUOTE]
All I see is people mocking the quality of Hatred, instead of discussing the angry mob that had it pulled from Steam or the use of incendiary political topics to get attention.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49480901]All I see is people mocking the quality of Hatred, instead of discussing the angry mob that had it pulled from Steam or the use of incendiary political topics to get attention.[/QUOTE]
Because that's ancient history? I actually came out against Steam taking Hatred down when that happened.
[editline]7th January 2016[/editline]
I'm sorry if my criticism of a video game triggered you though. I suppose it's off topic anyway.
Hopefully #blocklivesmatter is a fun game with a quirky title and not a bad game that costs $20.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49473356]uh no?
BLM has a point about black deaths in custody amongst other things the media+police try to sweep under the rug
not every black person who gets shot from the police is innocent, yes, but most seem to have just magically gotten a gun and been shot with it, no suspicion at all
BLM has radicals just like every organisation but to call it an organisation that deserves to be mocked is fucking stupid[/QUOTE]
A 19 year old girl in Mississippi was burned alive by a group of black men in December 2014 and no big media report went with it, nobody cared or got angry.
Also more whites are killed by cops then blacks.
[URL]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all[/URL]
If anything #BLM is letting the media play them for the extra views.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49481224]There are more whites in America than there are blacks so of course whites are going to be killed more, but blacks have a disproportionate amount of deaths compared to whites.[/QUOTE]
Dunno, isn't most of the interracial violent crime white people getting attacked by black people despite them being a minority?
Why play this when Depression Quest is free?
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;49481337]Why play this when Depression Quest is free?[/QUOTE]
because there are no explosions in depression quest
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49481206]A 19 year old girl in Mississippi was burned alive by a group of black men in December 2014 and no big media report went with it, nobody cared or got angry.
Also more whites are killed by cops then blacks.
[URL]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all[/URL]
If anything #BLM is letting the media play them for the extra views.[/QUOTE]
nobody got angry about [I]what[/I], exactly? 'the blacks'?
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;49482143]nobody got angry about [I]what[/I], exactly? 'the blacks'?[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/]Minority violence rates against whites compared to vice versa?[/url]
Oh, sorry, I meant to say Hatred is the spiritual succesor of Postal 2 but we all make minor mistakes here and there, right? And holy fuck, I leave for a few minutes and now a dude is posting that link from American Renaissance, the fucking white nationalist website?
Let me set you straight: Most murders and rapes are intrarracial affairs. This means that most whites are killing and raping each other and most blacks are raping and killing each other. Not exactly a pleasant thing to say and know, but it is what it is. I kid you not, like 80 something percent of whites kill each other while 90 something percent of blacks kill each other. You can easily find those stats alongside interracial murders. Bar and pie graphs are wonderful when it comes to fearmongering because they excel in exaggerating numbers when it's actually the minority of blacks that kill white people. In short, cut the narrative.
Hatred isn't the spiritual successor of postal 2, it's the successor of postal 1. Completely different games.
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