[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;48148483]So give PewdiePie less and ad companies more from ad revenue? What are you trying to get at here?
Oh God your second paragraph.[/QUOTE]
You can mock all you want but what I'm asking for only benefits all members of society. A fairer, more equal world, if that's funny to you then so be it. On one hand the internet consensus seems to be very anti-corporation, anti-1%, but at the same time defend this nonsense of an entertainer getting $7 million a year. At least I'm consistent.
To be honest I expected him to get much more than 7 mil for a year. He deserves that money for his ability to deal with his community.
I could care less about him having a lot of money, what bothers me is the fact that he has far too much power - he's capable of single handedly forcing any game he wishes into becoming a bestseller without putting much thought into it.
Games like Flappy Bird, Surgeon Simulator, Amnesia, The Stanley Parable and many more owe their success to him. Hell [URL="http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-08-27-skate-3-gets-reprinted-following-its-recent-youtube-popularity"]he even managed to bring the sales of a 5 year old game back from the dead. [/URL]
It's setting a pretty shitty precadent on game developers. Why bother making a good game if you can tailor it for just one guy and the people who try to follow in his footsteps?
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And he's endorsing it. Despite this being a quick greenlight search, it turns out he's actually played a few of these:
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[QUOTE=mr apple;48148199]"Money doesn't buy happiness"
Fuck that, 99% of my problems are from money. If I had money to fix those problems, that'd make me pretty fuckin happy.
Tis always easy for rich people to be humble about cash[/QUOTE]
If I had his life, I'd literaly be the happiest gamer ever.
No need to get a shitty job, do what I like the most, and get quite a bit of money for it. Dream life for me.
the best point in this video is that whether or not you like his content, there's a market for this type of thing either way and if it wasn't him it'd be someone else. can't really blame him, if you were in his position you'd be stupid to not take advantage of it.
i'm curious about what he actually does with all his money though. i know he donates some of it to charity but not all of it right? his videos are pretty low budget too.
[QUOTE=mr apple;48148199]"Money doesn't buy happiness"
Fuck that, 99% of my problems are from money. If I had money to fix those problems, that'd make me pretty fuckin happy.
Tis always easy for rich people to be humble about cash[/QUOTE]
Money doesn't make that much of a difference when you actually have it. I'm happier because I don't need to worry about rent and stuff any more because I work from home and make nice money from it. It only makes it easier to do things, I'm still sad a lot etc.
A nice watch and a sweet car is cool to have, but everything seems so bland when you are there.
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It's almost as if it removes the spice of an awesome place etc.
[QUOTE=Elfy;48148654]Money doesn't make that much of a difference when you actually have it. I'm happier because I don't need to worry about rent and stuff any more because I work from home and make nice money from it. It only makes it easier to do things, I'm still sad a lot etc.
A nice watch and a sweet car is cool to have, but everything seems so bland when you are there.
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It's almost as if it removes the spice of an awesome place etc.[/QUOTE]
Almost as if the course you take towards having those things, feels better than the moment you have the things?
I've had that. Hyping like hell for something, then getting the thing, and just going "yey, its in my hand... ok then."
Everyone with a lot of followers has power, nothing you can do about it. These people follow someone because they like / believe in what the person they follow does. That's the case with anything in this world.
There are a million companies, but only a few get big. others stay small, work hard, barely keep up, where as others get massive and make massive amounts of money.
He's that one company that did well, invented a revolutionary product, that everyone wants to have.
People watching his videos are upset that he makes money for something they watch for free, only takes them a few seconds of ad-time. It's retarded and will always be retarded. "I'm not paying for his stuff, but I don't want him to receive money for it either because it's unfair!!!!11!!".
I'm a programmer, I'm not getting paid more than other programmers, if not less. If I make some product that actually works, or doesn't exist but has demand, I can get big, earn a lot of money, have more money than my friends who work supermarket jobs. They get paid a hour, I get x amount of money every month because of subscription fees, so in some way, I get rich sleeping. Fair? Yes, I spent time thinking and working to make something people want, while my friends go the easy way (or the only way they currently can) and do work braindead people can do, such as serving drinks or stocking shelves.
[QUOTE=kweh;48148683]Almost as if the course you take towards having those things, feels better than the moment you have the things?
I've had that. Hyping like hell for something, then getting the thing, and just going "yey, its in my hand... ok then."[/QUOTE]
Buying a nice car or a sound system is neat to have, but the only good thing in the process of it all is buying it. That moment when you buy something is almost like a split second drug induced high. After that you realise that money isnt happiness, it's just something to acquire material goods
I don't really hate PDP, I mean I don't care for his stuff, but just because others find the guy interesting doesn't mean he is a bad guy. I mean shit if I could make 7 mil a year doing reactions and stuff to YT videos I fucking would
I do not understand why so many people bitch about Pewdiepie. It literally does nothing for you to get all whinny about it. All it does for you is it makes you like a brat because you are getting upset that their successful and you're not.
Honestly if you want to be happy find something that makes you happy. I don't make hardly anything doing what I enjoy (making soundtracks), but I still pursue it because it makes me happy. And just like Pewdiepie I'm having to do something as a job that I don't fully care for to support myself, but doing said job enables me to do what I enjoy. So sure it'd be great if making soundtracks made me filthy rich, but if it doesn't I'm still happy. The money is just a way for me do nothing but what I enjoy.
[QUOTE=Rich209;48148854]I do not understand why so many people bitch about Pewdiepie. It literally does nothing for you to get all whinny about it. All it does for you is it makes you like a brat because you are getting upset that their successful and you're not.
Honestly if you want to be happy find something that makes you happy. I don't make hardly anything doing what I enjoy (making soundtracks), but I still pursue it because it makes me happy. And just like Pewdiepie I'm having to do something as a job that I don't fully care for to support myself, but doing said job enables me to do what I enjoy. So sure it'd be great if making soundtracks made me filthy rich, but if it doesn't I'm still happy. The money is just a way for me do nothing but what I enjoy.[/QUOTE]
Not really applicable if what you enjoy costs money.
[QUOTE=Luxuria;48148872]Not really applicable if what you enjoy costs money.[/QUOTE]
Not a good argument since practically everything costs money.
[QUOTE=mr apple;48148199]"Money doesn't buy happiness"
Fuck that, 99% of my problems are from money. If I had money to fix those problems, that'd make me pretty fuckin happy.
Tis always easy for rich people to be humble about cash[/QUOTE]
I always hate it when people say this because it's such a shallow and naive viewpoint.
There isn't a single "born rich" person I know of that who say "Money doesn't always buy happiness". I hear this almost entirely from people who had poor/humble beginnings and then went through something that gave them a lot of fortune. Don't you think it's a bit silly to dismiss wisdom from someone who has actually gone through the experience of becoming rich from being poor?
Money really doesn't buy happiness. Sincerely, someone who doesn't have a lot of it and who finds happiness without it.
Now, if you are in a position where you don't have enough to get by happily, then having more money can get you to a happier state. But that applies to every need a human has. You need a certain amount of food, shelter, access, money etc to to reach a baseline level of happiness. If you can't get those baseline needs met then you will be unhappy until you meet them.
In this sense, money still doesn't buy happiness. What [I]does[/I] buy happiness is financial security. If you aren't secure in your finances you can't be happy.
Additional money that you get on top of what makes you financially secure has statistically been proven to have a minimal effect on happiness, and that is what the term "money doesn't buy happiness" refers to.
Happiness doesn't really come from money, it comes from being secure in all facets of your life (financially, socially, basic human needs wise, etc), from loved ones, experiencing new things, connections you have with people, fulfilling personally rewarding activities, etc. Therefore assuming your needs are being met, you can't really buy happiness with money. Money just opens up a different set of opportunities/experiences which potentially can lead to gaining the above things that make you happy.. but you don't really need money to get those things either.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;48148923]Not a good argument since practically everything costs money.[/QUOTE]
People are going to find enjoyment in a lot of things that are either cheap or free compared to other things so I don't see why.
[QUOTE=Conna;48148493]You can mock all you want but what I'm asking for only benefits all members of society. A fairer, more equal world, if that's funny to you then so be it. On one hand the internet consensus seems to be very anti-corporation, anti-1%, but at the same time defend this nonsense of an entertainer getting $7 million a year. At least I'm consistent.[/QUOTE]
But how do you propose to give everyone more benefits? How can PDP do that? I mean, he already raises a shitload of money for charity, does he have to give his earnings away? (of which the effects would be unnoticable except for a select few people).
I'm not anti-corporation, I'm all for trying to make the most of your life and if you succeed, you deserve to be rewarded. Don't try to label everyone opposing you as people jumping on the bandwagon.
You can't make everything too fair, since that will never last and will only hurt everyone in the long run.
Btw: I don't watch his videos, I find him too fake to really enjoy.
There is no way he's never thought of it as a source of income going into it. If you look at his earliest videos they're very commercial-ish - 'Make sure to like, comment and subscribe! Share on Facebook! Sign up for my giveaway next week!'
I don't think there's anything objectively wrong with Youtube celebs making so much money. They're obviously filling a need on the monetary ecosystem. It's not like they're scamming anyone.
On the other side, it does kind of irritate me. Despite what he says in this video about how there's more to what he does than screaming into a microphone, which I don't doubt, the fact is that the effort-to-money ratio of commercialized YouTube stuff is very high. Which understandably irks people working shitty jobs for minimum wage.
[QUOTE=kweh;48148601]If I had his life, I'd literaly be the happiest gamer ever.
No need to get a shitty job, do what I like the most, and get quite a bit of money for it. Dream life for me.[/QUOTE]
You say that, but wait until 75% of your free time is taken up by editing and rendering videos and then waiting for them to upload to Youtube.
People have this idea that being a Let's Player is just their usual gaming but with Fraps on. It's not that simple.
[QUOTE=KorJax;48148928]I always hate it when people say this because it's such a shallow and naive viewpoint.
There isn't a single "born rich" person I know of that who say "Money doesn't always buy happiness". I hear this almost entirely from people who had poor/humble beginnings and then went through something that gave them a lot of fortune. Don't you think it's a bit silly to dismiss wisdom from someone who has actually gone through the experience of becoming rich from being poor?
Money really doesn't buy happiness. Sincerely, someone who doesn't have a lot of it and who finds happiness without it.
Now, if you are in a position where you don't have enough to get by happily, then having more money can get you to a happier state. But that applies to every need a human has. You need a certain amount of food, shelter, access, money etc to to reach a baseline level of happiness. If you can't get those baseline needs met then you will be unhappy until you meet them.
In this sense, money still doesn't buy happiness. What [I]does[/I] buy happiness is financial security. If you aren't secure in your finances you can't be happy.
Additional money that you get on top of what makes you financially secure has statistically been proven to have a minimal effect on happiness, and that is what the term "money doesn't buy happiness" refers to.
Happiness doesn't really come from money, it comes from being secure in all facets of your life (financially, socially, basic human needs wise, etc), from loved ones, experiencing new things, connections you have with people, fulfilling personally rewarding activities, etc. Therefore assuming your needs are being met, you can't really buy happiness with money. Money just opens up a different set of opportunities/experiences which potentially can lead to gaining the above things that make you happy.. but you don't really need money to get those things either.[/QUOTE]
you do realize you're literally saying yourself that you need money to be happy, right
you're just reformulating it slightly :v:
[QUOTE=mr apple;48148199]"Money doesn't buy happiness"
Fuck that, 99% of my problems are from money. If I had money to fix those problems, that'd make me pretty fuckin happy.
Tis always easy for rich people to be humble about cash[/QUOTE]
It's been said before that "Money doesn't buy Happiness" should be changed to "Money can't prevent sadness / loneliness"
[QUOTE=Cone;48148414]did any changes really come of the "i'm sorry" debacle or is he still a mess under criticism?[/QUOTE]
I find that he's doing better. He might make sex jokes, even sexist jokes at some times, but he has dropped the rape yelling for a long while.
to be honest im glad this kind of grounded and self aware dude is the most viewed entertainer on youtube. Puts a good example since, you know, there are a lot of assholes with big accounts too.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;48149128]I find that he's doing better. He might make sex jokes, even sexist jokes at some times, but he has dropped the rape yelling for a long while.[/QUOTE]
what i meant is, does he still find ways to mess up or alienate people when he addresses criticism, or has he come a bit more down to earth since then? that's always been the first thing on my mind when people go "i don't like his videos but he's a cool dude." i don't stay in the loop on these things
[QUOTE=Cone;48149250]what i meant is, does he still find ways to mess up or alienate people when he addresses criticism, or has he come a bit more down to earth since then? that's always been the first thing on my mind when people go "i don't like his videos but he's a cool dude." i don't stay in the loop on these things[/QUOTE]
No, he doesn't attack or alienate people from what I've seen. Are you referring to that "Actually, keep watching, it makes me money >:D" comment that he had severe backlash for?
[QUOTE=Conna;48148463]I think wealth distribution is becoming a major topic now and a lot of people are unhappy about it. For an entertainer to be earning 1000x more than a teacher or nurse, really says a lot about the effect capitalism and greed is having on society. I don't think it's necessarily PewDiePie's fault, but it is certainly the fault of those giving him that much money to begin with, and exploiting his viewers to maximize their own profits.
Nope. It's the way it is now, but it doesn't have to be this way, and it won't always be this way. There was once a time people would have said the same thing about the Monarchy in England, or about slavery, but things change. Given enough time I'm certain people will stand up to this kind of capitalism, and we'll move toward a fairer economic ideology.[/QUOTE]
Oh god... We have an unironical communist amongst us.
Quick! Where do they keep the bottles of reality check around these parts?
[QUOTE=Daemon White;48149271]No, he doesn't attack or alienate people from what I've seen. Are you referring to that "Actually, keep watching, it makes me money >:D" comment that he had severe backlash for?[/QUOTE]
yeah that's what i'm referring to but it wasn't just the comment itself, his handling of the whole mess was a complete hack-job. i'm just wondering if him being a dick to critics could be a more consistent thing and that was just a more high profile example of it because he messed up so bad that he accidentally involved his fanbase
[QUOTE=Cone;48149428]yeah that's what i'm referring to but it wasn't just the comment itself, his handling of the whole mess was a complete hack-job. i'm just wondering if him being a dick to critics could be a more consistent thing and that was just a more high profile example of it because he messed up so bad that he accidentally involved his fanbase[/QUOTE]
His dealing with critics for the past while (as far as I've heard) has been basically what was done in this video. Reads quotes and puts his opinion on them.
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;48148417]If you're gonna be mad about people making too much money, theres [I]definitely[/I] better people to target than some guy who just enjoys making youtube videos and happened to end up making a living from it.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I really hate this mentality. Go bitch about the politicians, bankers and industry leading billionaires that regularly fuck the average person in the ass on a regular basis. Not the guy that makes some silly videos on the internet and hasn't hurt anybody.
[QUOTE=Buck.;48148291]Because he got millions doing something most of us perceive as easy and we didn't. That's just the way it is.[/QUOTE]
Which is a stupid point of view, anyone who thinks like that can go and try it for themselves and stop bieng assholes.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;48149546]Which is a stupid point of view, anyone who thinks like that can go and try it for themselves and stop bieng assholes.[/QUOTE]
I tried it once. It's difficult.
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