• A Nazi, a rapist and a bunch of other idiots have a discussion (Sargon, Richard Spencer)
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This whole group of skeptics and politics in youtube, twitter or other places is a fucking disaster. They are all a bunch of nihilistics assholes who really likes to jerk off to their politics and their own opinions. You got assholes from every fucking side who likes to throw shit at their opponents like fucking crazy, add a whole bunch of fallacies to em too. I can't believe I used to watch Sargon or fucking Milo back in 2014, those were dark times. Now I just stay away from Youtube politics as far as I can, The only one I can at least tolerate is ContraPoints, for the most part. Others Like Metokur and Shaun have this unbearable sanctimonious tone in their videos. Then there's people like Hbomb that at first thought he was fine (His Lisa vid was great) and I agreed with him in some other vids but he also acts quite arrogant and then the more I learn about this dude the more I learn how much of a fucking asshole he is. So yeah, fuck these political or skeptics channels, they can ruin my mood really fast.
[QUOTE=Drury;53027327]I skipped to Sargon trying to explain to everyone else that genetics have nothing to do with political ideologies. I guess he's pretty pissed about surrounding himself with those people now.[/QUOTE] What part is that? I don't particularly want to listen through 4 hours of white nationalist drivel in order to find the counter-points. [editline]5th January 2018[/editline] Actually, it seems that Sargon chimes in pretty early with counter points, but he isn't very forceful about it. If anything he is trying show how Richard Spencer's views are retarded, but the disorder on the discussion makes it become lost. Either way spencer sounds like a dick.
My favourite part was when Andy interrupts the "debate" to let everyone know about the generous donation! [I]"$100 donation from National Socialist, he said 'its ok to be a nazi'.. Heheh Thanks dude!"[/I] What a fucking mess, brb just making an ez couple of grand by giving Nazi's an open platform to preach their shit
[QUOTE=Lollipoopdeck;53028918]My favourite part was when Andy interrupts the "debate" to let everyone know about the generous donation! [I]"$100 donation from National Socialist, he said 'its ok to be a nazi'.. Heheh Thanks dude!"[/I] What a fucking mess, brb just making an ez couple of grand by giving Nazi's an open platform to preach their shit[/QUOTE] stormfront praised the stream and estimated he made over 20k in donations
[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;53028944]stormfront praised the stream and estimated he made over 20k in donations[/QUOTE] Imagine what the left could accomplish if we were stupid enough to donate to shit like this.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;53028073]This one could be a "by your own logic" type argument. [b]Especially since it would be a bit weird for someone with an Arabic name to be a white supremacist?[/b] But maybe I just have too much faith in humanity.[/QUOTE] A certain Jon Jafari comes to mind.
Spencer and the others spend the debate misunderstanding Sargons entire point and using aboslutes and leading questions Spencer does a better job using insults than actually truly explaining how it will work, while recognizing that outliers exist, yet he doesnt seem to truly understand that they cannot effectively deal with outliers. Sargon uses a few strawmans here and there but brings up generally important points that effectively get ignored They ask if a black person is white to Sargons question of how they will deal with outliers, effectively trying to lead his main argument away from the point he was making. Point being about how they will peacefully keep a true white state. Again, they seem to not understand that it is not as obvious as they think Spencer wants censorship of ideas but isn't ok with his ideas being censored. He has this dreamer-esque desire for a 'peaceful ethnic state'. He is totally and completely willfully ignorant of the fact that you ultimately need violence for his ideas to work and is ok with force but still wants a 'peaceful' ethnostate. This video is a good way of understanding why Spencer is a conplete moron.. Who is suprised though.
You were expecting a fucking neo-nazi to effectively argue anything?
[QUOTE=SunsetTable;53029204]You were expecting a fucking neo-nazi to effectively argue anything?[/QUOTE] I didnt know what to expect. Not suprised that of course, hes better at being an asshole than actually debating a point. [editline]5th January 2018[/editline] I wanted to give him at least the benefit of doubt he dived into calling people autistic over and over right after someone calls him out,, and from there it didnt get better
[QUOTE=J!NX;53029198]Spencer and the others spend the debate misunderstanding Sargons entire point and using aboslutes and leading questions Spencer does a better job using insults than actually truly explaining how it will work, while recognizing that outliers exist, yet he doesnt seem to truly understand that they cannot effectively deal with outliers. Sargon uses a few strawmans here and there but brings up generally important points that effectively get ignored They ask if a black person is white to Sargons question of how they will deal with outliers, effectively trying to lead his main argument away from the point he was making. Point being about how they will peacefully keep a true white state. Again, they seem to not understand that it is not as obvious as they think Spencer is a dreamer who believes that an ethno state can exist without violence. It is a delusional disconnect from reality and he prides himself on an arrogant level of believing it would ever really work. He is willfully ignorant of the fact that his goal can only end in a tyrannical authority and racial elitism. He declares how autistic and tedious Sargon is and doesnt argue his points effecticely because he doesnt truly understand how this will work. This video is a good way of understanding why Spencer is a conplete moron.. Who is suprised though.[/QUOTE] I actually completely disagree. You're the one who's misunderstood Spencer. His premise is very simple. Whites are a group that exists, and if whites don't dominate, another race will dominate whites. He doesn't actually believe an ethnostate can be peacefully established. That rhetoric is just a tool that allows him to argue his main point, why establishing an ethnostate is necessary. Sargon, fucking idiot that he is, spent all of his time attacking the practicality of an ethnostate, allowing Spencer to freely argue for its morality and necessity. Spencer doesn't even bother arguing that his ideal state would be just and fair. That isn't his goal. His goal is to convince the public that they are [I]already[/I] dominated, and that a fair and just world is impossible. And given that truth, 'we', the 'whites', must dominate every other race to protect ourselves. This discussion couldn't have gone better for the nazis. Sargon provided exactly the wrong arguments to counter Spencer's rhetoric. In a way, Sargon not being there at all would have been better.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;53029288]I actually completely disagree. You're the one who's misunderstood Spencer. This discussion couldn't have gone better for the nazis. Sargon provided exactly the wrong arguments to counter Spencer's rhetoric. In a way, Sargon not being there at all would have been better.[/QUOTE] Having fully watched it I would definitely understand Spencers arguments way better had someone other than Sargon been there. I can totally agree with that. I'll probably also understand all of the arguments a little better after a few hours now that I've listened to the entire thing and have time to kind of think about the whole podcast rather than thinking about it in one blast of sound. [editline]5th January 2018[/editline] Someone that actually has a history of arguing against the alt right and is way more aggressive with varied arguments would have been waaaay better.
[QUOTE=J!NX;53029305]Having fully watched it I would definitely understand Spencers arguments way better had someone other than Sargon been there. I can totally agree with that. I'll probably also understand all of the arguments a little better after a few hours now that I've listened to the entire thing and have time to kind of think about the whole podcast rather than thinking about it in one blast of sound.[/QUOTE] It's really important that you understand that's the thing he's trying to impress on people. If he can get people to swallow the idea that the Jews and the Arabs and the Negros are out to destroy the white race, he can justify practically fucking anything no matter how brutal or horrifying. Even if he's shitcanned on every other point, if that core idea isn't attacked, he wins. To really attack Spencer, you need to attack both his concept of race, and his conspiratorial thinking. Sargon can't properly attack the former because he's denied the validity of all the arguments against it when they were used to attack his stance on immigration. "The concepts of European/White have always been in flux", his and Spencer's retort, "What is White/European might not be strictly defined, but anyone can see it does exist and it should be protected". He's powerless. Remember JonTron? Remember the whole "rich blacks commit more crime than poor whites" thing? Remember the whole "blacks in africa are just like blacks in the US" thing? That was important. That was acceptance of the concept that blacks are a distinct race of people, with distinctly different, racially determined behavior. A concept that was always tempered with "but you should always treat people as individuals", an idea that's easily stripped away by the fear a demagogue like Spencer inspires. As for his conspiracy that the Jews and the Arabs are out to subjugate the white race, you just can't argue against it with logic. You can't. Jews are wealthy, Jews are scientists and doctors, therefor Jews run the world and they're all out to get you. The purest version of xenophobia. "They aren't us, so they want to hurt us, so we must hurt them first". This concept can only be mocked, and the only way to mock it is if you've already attacked the notion of race, which Sargon is incapable of doing, and if you've discredited the person espousing it, which Sargon is too stupid to do.
That would have been a better argument than anything I could think of. The biggest annoyance I can think of in hindsight is that Sargon didn't merely ask "Ok, but how are they after you", but he didn't come close. [editline]5th January 2018[/editline] Actually thinking about the entire debate after a bit too, Sargon in a way was a useful idiot to them. That is definitely a feat. I'd probably have fallen for the trap as well.
the JF guy (32 year old french/french canadian guy) coerced a 19 year old mentally challenged texas girl to drive to his house in north carolina without telling anyone and then JF tried to impregnate her. [twitch][url]http://clips.twitch.tv/BlushingOddLadiesFailFish[/url][/twitch] [URL="https://clips.twitch.tv/BlushingOddLadiesFailFish"]alternate link to twitch clip[/URL]
Sargon the Elliot Rodgers sympathizer
The so-called YouTube Intellectualism has to be some of the most obnoxious bullshit the internet has ever had the misfortune to endure.
For one having native american heritage strangely isn't heavily stigmatized by racists in America (and hasn't been for quite some time). Also, the amount of mental gymnastics one would need to perform in order to perceive native americans as a threat is probably too tiring for your average white nationalist. Like at least with Jews there are some famous rich people to be scared of, and with black people there's lots of statistics you can misinterpret.
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;53030186]The so-called YouTube Intellectualism has to be some of the most obnoxious bullshit the internet has ever had the misfortune to endure.[/QUOTE] stupid people never know themselves that they're stupid. Give stupid people a voice and platform without being checked and they'll say and make people believe stupid shit. Stupid people used to be "kept down" by the lack of social media. If you wanted to say anything, you had to have a platform. To get a platform, you had to impress a lot of people with your stuff and they'd lend you a platform. It kept the majority of the population anonymous and unheard, but it also ensured that the voices that WERE heard had something sane and profound to say in most cases. We've already been observing this new trend of idiots and assholes with a presence/ platform gained outside of scientific/cultural/philosophical pursuits in the form of Americas' Hollywood clique. A lot of well-meaning assholes spewing bullshit on stuff they know nothing about and being heard and adhered to. If Jim Carrey had kept his spaced-out gob shut, people would probably be less prone to murder their kids by lack of vaccines. The only real difference between Hollywood and your average Youtube "intellectualist" is that the latter doesn't have speech writers, doesn't usually pursue broader coexistence for humanity as a cause and often have mental issues or severe lack of perspective and self-awareness. It's all fucked and i wish people who know nothing would be relegated back to the anonymous oblivion where they belong.
[QUOTE=meppers;53029473]the JF guy (32 year old french/french canadian guy) coerced a 19 year old mentally challenged texas girl to drive to his house in north carolina without telling anyone and then JF tried to impregnate her. [twitch][URL]http://clips.twitch.tv/BlushingOddLadiesFailFish[/URL][/twitch] [URL="https://clips.twitch.tv/BlushingOddLadiesFailFish"]alternate link to twitch clip[/URL][/QUOTE] Very mentally challenged, too. Psychiatrists stated that they considered her mental age to be about 10-11 years old. JF also hadn't even finished his divorce with his third wife before dragging this girl in, and he ties his relationships into his political ideology in such a creepy way. The court documents are very [URL="https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4256183/in-re-jean-francois-gariepy/"]easy to find[/URL], (it's public stuff, this isn't doxxing) they do a lot to establish just how fucked that situation really was. One of the most distasteful things about JF alongside that is that he uses his PhD in neuroscience to call himself a biologist, and to give ethos to his arguments for race realism. You can see it in his comments that a lot of people wind up being impressed and sold purely based on his credentials, and one thing his defenders will say when he gets criticized is "wow you, a non-biologist, think this guy is wrong? hahaha."
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;53030948]Very mentally challenged, too. Psychiatrists stated that they considered her mental age to be about 10-11 years old. JF also hadn't even finished his divorce with his third wife before dragging this girl in, and he ties his relationships into his political ideology in such a creepy way. The court documents are very [URL="https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/4256183/in-re-jean-francois-gariepy/"]easy to find[/URL], (it's public stuff, this isn't doxxing) they do a lot to establish just how fucked that situation really was. One of the most distasteful things about JF alongside that is that he uses his PhD in neuroscience to call himself a biologist, and to give ethos to his arguments for race realism. You can see it in his comments that a lot of people wind up being impressed and sold purely based on his credentials, and one thing his defenders will say when he gets criticized is "wow you, a non-biologist, think this guy is wrong? hahaha."[/QUOTE] okay, so this thing is a real meme. Let me start from the beginning. Destiny debates shit like incest and pedophilia because no one ever really gives a good argument against them. Not because there isn't one to be made, but because most people never think about the subjects beyond "that's gross ew". Que a few months of him being called a pedo apologist by the skeptosphere. "Why would you even talk about shit like this?" "Everyone knows that pedophilia is wrong." "You're messed up if you think this is a conversation anyone should have." Now, we get to the chainfucker himself, who convinced to leave her family and drive across the country to come live with him a 19 year old mentally retarded girl who has never lived on her own and who has been ruled incapable of living independently. At which point he immediately started trying to get her pregnant so that he could get citizenship in the US. Que the skeptosphere saying "well it's okay cuz she's over 18". As a result of not addressing ideas like informed consent because "well everyone knows it's wrong already", these mongoloids are incapable of seeing what's wrong with a 30 year old man sexually preying on the mentally disabled. It would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't so fucking disgusting. bonus meme: [thumb]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DStxFIxVoAEs3jc.jpg:large[/thumb]
[QUOTE=Kljunas;53028073]This one could be a "by your own logic" type argument. Especially since it would be a bit weird for someone with an Arabic name to be a white supremacist? But maybe I just have too much faith in humanity.[/QUOTE]I'm from Jordan and I'm albino. Both my mom's and my dad's families are entirely blonde (not albinos, but blonde), have blue or green eyes and have very white skin. Although we are a minority, there are lots of white people in Arab countries, especially the Levant, since this area was inhabited by many civilizations throughout its history. When I was in school, there were 5 other blonde people in my class. [B]I have never actually heard of white supremacists existing here, though.[/B] Maybe I should mention that both my mom's family and my dad's family are of Assyrian descent; most of the Assyrians I have met are white. I would also like to point out that there are lots of ethnic minorities here such as Armenians, Circassians, Chechens and other minorities in Jordan and other countries in the middle-east, whom the majority of are white and have Arabic first names. I have heard of Islamic-extremists who are sympathetic to Nazis because they are anti-Semitic, so that could be a reason for that post.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;53030999]okay, so this thing is a real meme. Let me start from the beginning. Destiny debates shit like incest and pedophilia because no one ever really gives a good argument against them. Not because there isn't one to be made, but because most people never think about the subjects beyond "that's gross ew". Que a few months of him being called a pedo apologist by the skeptosphere. "Why would you even talk about shit like this?" "Everyone knows that pedophilia is wrong." "You're messed up if you think this is a conversation anyone should have." Now, we get to the chainfucker himself, who convinced to leave her family and drive across the country to come live with him a 19 year old mentally retarded girl who has never lived on her own and who has been ruled incapable of living independently. At which point he immediately started trying to get her pregnant so that he could get citizenship in the US. Que the skeptosphere saying "well it's okay cuz she's over 18". As a result of not addressing ideas like informed consent because "well everyone knows it's wrong already", these mongoloids are incapable of seeing what's wrong with a 30 year old man sexually preying on the mentally disabled. It would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't so fucking disgusting. bonus meme: [thumb]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DStxFIxVoAEs3jc.jpg:large[/thumb][/QUOTE] he is also getting ready to sue destiny for defamation when all destiny did was read public court documents about JF on his stream [media]https://twitter.com/JFGariepy/status/949501900075892736[/media]
[QUOTE=meppers;53031085]he is also getting ready to sue destiny for defamation when all destiny did was read public court documents about JF on his stream [media]https://twitter.com/JFGariepy/status/949501900075892736[/media][/QUOTE] he thinks it's defamation to accuse him of being a rapist he also doesn't believe in hiring lawyers so he's going to be representing himself in court
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;53031098]he thinks it's defamation to accuse him of being a rapist he also doesn't believe in hiring lawyers so he's going to be representing himself in court[/QUOTE] When you have incredible intellect powered by your white genes a lawyer just becomes redundant
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;53030999]okay, so this thing is a real meme. Let me start from the beginning. Destiny debates shit like incest and pedophilia because no one ever really gives a good argument against them. Not because there isn't one to be made, but because most people never think about the subjects beyond "that's gross ew". Que a few months of him being called a pedo apologist by the skeptosphere. "Why would you even talk about shit like this?" "Everyone knows that pedophilia is wrong." "You're messed up if you think this is a conversation anyone should have." Now, we get to the chainfucker himself, who convinced to leave her family and drive across the country to come live with him a 19 year old mentally retarded girl who has never lived on her own and who has been ruled incapable of living independently. At which point he immediately started trying to get her pregnant so that he could get citizenship in the US. Que the skeptosphere saying "well it's okay cuz she's over 18". As a result of not addressing ideas like informed consent because "well everyone knows it's wrong already", these mongoloids are incapable of seeing what's wrong with a 30 year old man sexually preying on the mentally disabled. It would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't so fucking disgusting. bonus meme: [thumb]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DStxFIxVoAEs3jc.jpg:large[/thumb][/QUOTE] I just watched the first conversation between JF and Destiny. I don't even know what to say. Absolutely disgusting. And I'm fucking baffled how the "skeptics" do not understand much beyond "well the law says 18 is okay soooo...." Can't wait for watching this dumpster fire from OP.
oh man Destiny vs JF, two "intellectual" assholes throwing shit at each other. Destiny tried to kill a Child along with his father because this child ddossed him, unbanned a pedophile so his chat could be more interesting, claims to fight racism and sexism while Ironically being a racist and sexist and overall a very dislikeable dude, hell even fucking Cr1tikal dislikes him! JF took advantage of a girl's Mental Issues and tried to impregnate her without her consent, Is suing Destiny out of a stupid ass reason, a white supremacist who jerks off to his Ideals, also extremely dislikeable, and such an Idiot that Metokur laughts at him. Destiny I knew him because his ex GF caught him cheating on her back on his Starcraft 2 days and as a revenge posted nudes of him on the internet, If you ever wonder why he doesnt do Starcraft 2 as he did back in 2011-2012 or before is because of this. To tell you the truth, I've never heard of this JF asshole before, so I don't know what more awful things he did, but that whole mess with the 19 years old girl is already awful enough. Can't they just magically dissapear, along with every "Intellectual" Youtuber? I feel it would make the Internet a more calm place
[QUOTE=rutolfus;53031205]oh man Destiny vs JF, two "intellectual" assholes throwing shit at each other. Destiny tried to kill a Child along with his father because this child ddossed him, unbanned a pedophile so his chat could be more interesting, claims to fight racism and sexism while Ironically being a racist and sexist and overall a very dislikeable dude, hell even fucking Cr1tikal dislikes him! JF took advantage of a girl's Mental Issues and tried to impregnate her without her consent, Is suing Destiny out of a stupid ass reason, a white supremacist who jerks off to his Ideals, also extremely dislikeable, and such an Idiot that Metokur laughts at him. Destiny I knew him because his ex GF caught him cheating on her back on his Starcraft 2 days and as a revenge posted nudes of him on the internet, If you ever wonder why he doesnt do Starcraft 2 as he did back in 2011-2012 or before is because of this. To tell you the truth, I've never heard of this JF asshole before, so I don't know what more awful things he did, but that whole mess with the 19 years old girl is already awful enough. Can't they just magically dissapear, along with every "Intellectual" Youtuber? I feel it would make the Internet a more calm place[/QUOTE] I mean if someone kept you from working for almost a year while you were trying to support a family that'd probably push you pretty close to the edge too. how is he a racist or a sexist?
He didn't try kill a child, he said he was at the point of wanting to genuinely kill him because he'd exhausted every method of trying to stop him, including speaking to him, his dad and the FBI all did nothing to help. He said himself he was at the point of; either kill the kid or develop the now most commonly used DDOS protection guide there is currently is, so he did that. I can understand why a lot of people can dislike destiny, such as the cheating or his twitter persona but I find him to be a funny and pretty down to earth guy to watch and I enjoy the content he makes, I've been following him since the JonTron memes but it always baffles me how people can make such huge claims while clearly showing no interest in actually understanding what happened they'll just take what some shitter on twitter or 4chan said about him /rant also you shouldn't base you're opinions of people off what Youtuber likes/dislikes them tbh
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;53031098]he thinks it's defamation to accuse him of being a rapist he also doesn't believe in hiring lawyers so he's going to be representing himself in court[/QUOTE] Man I'd pay to watch that fucking nightmare happen. I kinda feel sorry for any judge that has to preside over the case if anything. Watching an apparently fully grown man play prosecutor in court for a frivolous suit (if it even gets to court that is) sounds like a right giggle.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;53031250]I mean if someone kept you from working for almost a year while you were trying to support a family that'd probably push you pretty close to the edge too. how is he a racist or a sexist?[/QUOTE] I know it can be pretty Infiurating, but to outright trying to kill someone? I feel like thats just going too fucking far. And the racist and sexist thing happened during the whole Pewdiepie saying Nigger on a stream, Destiny got on an argument with others that thought it wasnt a big deal, and some other people called Destiny out cause he also [URL="https://memestatic.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/c8/03/c80398_6384651.jpg"]has used it quite a bit[/URL] He wen't on a block crusade after this, there was a [URL="https://i.imgur.com/LKVUVbt.png"]black girl who also called him out on this and he called her an Uncle Tom[/URL], now this girl actually think that racists words are meaningless which might be the joke here, but still, its not a good joke, and the sexist stuff is the same, even if he's jesting like telling a woman who was defending [URL="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOTe5WjVAAAEOl4.jpg"]Nick Fuentes that she's just a woman to go back to the kitchen,[/URL] it just a really bad joke, and makes him look like an asshole. Im going too far by calling him Sexist or Racist, I'll admit that, but seriously he really doesn't have to be like this on twitter. EDIT: [QUOTE] He didn't try kill a child, he said he was at the point of wanting to genuinely kill him because he'd exhausted every method of trying to stop him, including speaking to him, his dad and the FBI all did nothing to help. He said himself he was at the point of; either kill the kid or develop the now most commonly used DDOS protection guide there is currently is, so he did that. [/QUOTE] Ok that changes things a lot here, sorry for the Misinformation here. Still tho, He would have done a lot better if he didn't say on a stream he was at the point of wanting to killing him to stop him
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